"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

Well it should die down in about a week and halfs time, two tops. then it will pick up again when 92 airs.

To me it seems like it's already died down pretty considerably. As long as they do episode 93 well I think a lot of people will be willing to give it more of a chance.

Good point knowing a month in advance instead of just seeing the bombshell drop then and their or a week before in the NEP might work it's favour, like the anime took crap for the things it did in the Trunks arc but when the Manga did the same thing there wasn't much backlash as people were already wary of it.

[Cipher]

A Darkseid quote at the end of this arc would be perfect.

Frieza: "Savior you moment of triumph Goku, But remember victory has its price."

"Life, at best, is bittersweet."

No?

[kinisking]

Is this the biggest backlash in Super so far? Not counting the crappy movie adaptions, I don't think anything else caused this much turmoil. Not even the people who didn't like Future Trunks Spirit bomb in his sword at the end of the Zamasu arc, or Gohan's poor treatment in the first half of the series.

Really ? I feel like episode 66 made a bigger impact .

[Akyon]

My sister suggested they'd of been better off bringing Ginyu than Frieza since logically he makes a lick more sense and is canonically 'not completely evil'.

Also he's used to working on a team and can fight tactically. And he'd probably have a great reaction with the Pride Troopers.

Kind of gutted it's not him now.

[ArchedThunder]

I wonder if this month's V-Jump Super Scoop will talk about Freeza at all.
I'm kind of expecting it to cover Kale though.

My sister suggested they'd of been better off bringing Ginyu than Frieza since logically he makes a lick more sense and is canonically 'not completely evil'.

Also he's used to working on a team and can fight tactically. And he'd probably have a great reaction with the Pride Troopers.

Kind of gutted it's not him now.

? How is Ginyu not completely evil? Plus, Freeza is much stronger.

[Lord Frieza]

A Darkseid quote at the end of this arc would be perfect.

Frieza: "Savior you moment of triumph Goku, But remember victory has its price."

"Life, at best, is bittersweet."

No?

......yes that would be perfect.

[Akyon]

I wonder if this month's V-Jump Super Scoop will talk about Freeza at all.
I'm kind of expecting it to cover Kale though.

My sister suggested they'd of been better off bringing Ginyu than Frieza since logically he makes a lick more sense and is canonically 'not completely evil'.

Also he's used to working on a team and can fight tactically. And he'd probably have a great reaction with the Pride Troopers.

Kind of gutted it's not him now.

? How is Ginyu not completely evil? Plus, Freeza is much stronger.

Beyond me buddy, but Goku states Ginyu's not as evil as the rest of the force or Frieza during the Namek saga.

Can we have Ginyu trade bodies with Buu so Buu can stay awake long enough to fight? Ginyu's brains in Buus body...could be interesting?

[precita]

I still can't get over no Buu, Yamcha or Trunks/Goten.

[Lord Beerus]

I still can't get over no Buu, Yamcha or Trunks/Goten.

Toriyama has nothing for any of them, unfortunately.

Is this the biggest backlash in Super so far? Not counting the crappy movie adaptions, I don't think anything else caused this much turmoil. Not even the people who didn't like Future Trunks Spirit bomb in his sword at the end of the Zamasu arc, or Gohan's poor treatment in the first half of the series.

Really ? I feel like episode 66 made a bigger impact .

Nothing will top Episode 66 in terms of debates among the fandom. That remains the most (in)famous thing that Super has done and I don't think even Freeza retuning will top it.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So the Freeza thing really is...true...I...huh...

...I'm still trying to process that. I mean, I like that it seems to be one of Goku's hair-brained ideas that everyone else automatically calls out as a TERRIBLE idea...and I'm willing to trust that there must be a compelling/interesting reason to go this route...but it still just seems really, REALLY weird...

Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

[TekTheNinja]

Never really understood the want for other characters to "shine" with this series. Like, I get it. People are tired of Goku, but he IS the main focus of the story whether anyone likes it or not, Lol.

I mean, plenty of times in the series have we seen others have their time to shine with Goku not in the arcs.

Goku dead training with Kaiosama during the Saiyan Arc.

Goku hospitalized and then in space for much of the Namek/Freeza Arc.

Goku in a coma for everything in the Androids arc up until Cell. Then it's all Gohan anyway.

Goku trying to stay dead in the Boo Arc.

The entire series has revolved around their one, critical character not being there for, I would say 50% of it, then showing up to save the day. Hell, this even happened in the BoG Arc and the Universe 6 Arc.

You're certainly entitled not to enjoy it, though, for sure. I just tend to scratch my head when people say too much Goku is bad for the show. Half of the time he isn't even involved.

You just mostly described Z. Z didn't have too much Goku. Super has had too much Goku. Simple. And why people like characters to get time to shine? People like seeing their favorite characters being relevant and doing cool things instead of only one character doing cool things. Also simple. Honestly it's all pretty simple. I don't know why it's so hard to comprehend for so many people.

Yea, I get you. It's not hard to comprehend you want less Goku, as I can read it clearly, lol. Guess what I'm wondering is WHY? Fact of the matter is it's a series that revolves around him. Aside from the side characters getting an episode or 2 per Arc to show they're still alive this is what we get. And I don't mind.

Everyone had a nice, mini light shined on them if they are involved with this tournament recently, and that's about as good as it'll get for anyone not named Son Goku. Them's the brakes.

Only people really getting shafted are Goten and Trunks, and Yamcha. But honestly, the DB Community has been pointing a finger and laughing at Yamcha for so long it seems like that's the type of thing they're writing in. Not surprising in the least bit.

Well this is only part of it, but a big reason is how much of a shadow of his former self Goku is in Super. He's become an annoying idiot who only cares about himself most of the time.

[Neon Z]

The comparison to comic books seems odd. It's not like Freeza is getting brought back to be the main antagonist again, but rather he might be forced to work alongside the heroes.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRfuu-1jxq5/
I wonder if we should read into that Goten doodle now too? Hmmm.

That's Kid Goku. No undershirt, and Toyotaro wrote the name of all characters on the side, besides this supposed "Goten".

You know, I'm wondering did any of you remember the dislike for Vegeta when he first joined the cast? Maybe Toriyama just wants Freeza to join the crew. Replace Majin Buu...how interesting that dynamic would be. Now that Vegeta has gone soft we need an unpredictable, unreliable ally...this is a bold move. I want to see how this plays out!

There was none, the only reason why Vegeta was not left killed on Namek was because of his popularity.

That's not quite true. Freeza was created in order to allow Vegeta to survive according to an anniversary comic from Toriyama. So, presumably, the route where Vegeta would permanently die would involve him still being the main villain throughout Namek, and Freeza was exactly created in order to get that position and force him to team up with the heroes due to his popularity.

[Avok]

Frieza yet again?
I've really lost hope for Super to be ever good. It's a bummer, because they do seem to be exhausting every possible good development and doing it in an underwhelming manner.

Guess that's what happen when your goal is to have a series airing in order to sell merchandise rather than to tell a story.

[sintzu]

I'll bet anything that somehow Freeza will be the last one standing, making him the savior of U7.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Frieza yet again?
I've really lost hope for Super to be ever good. It's a bummer, because they do seem to be exhausting every possible good development and doing it in an underwhelming manner.

Guess that's what happen when your goal is to have a series airing in order to sell merchandise rather than to tell a story.

Dragon Ball jumped that shark well well before Super, it started in the Cell arc where everyone started getting the fabled Super Saiyan transformation to point where little kiddies with no effort got it in the Buu arc.

[Footlong Shoe]

I'll bet anything that somehow Freeza will be the last one standing, making him the savior of U7.

Let's not forget, the tournament lasts 48 hours and Freeza can only come back for 24. It would be something to see him take out every other contestant before the tournament is even halfway over.

EDIT: crap.

[DainIronfoot]

I'll bet anything that somehow Freeza will be the last one standing, making him the savior of U7.

Let's not forget, the tournament lasts 48 hours and Freeza can only come back for 24. It would be something to see him take out every other contestant before the tournament is even halfway over.

48 minutes my friend.

[TheMikado]

My sister suggested they'd of been better off bringing Ginyu than Frieza since logically he makes a lick more sense and is canonically 'not completely evil'.

Also he's used to working on a team and can fight tactically. And he'd probably have a great reaction with the Pride Troopers.

Kind of gutted it's not him now.

This actually makes too much sense. Just steal Jirens body and the tournament would be a breeze.

[Footlong Shoe]

48 minutes my friend.

Whoops... no idea how I made that mistake.

[Avok]

Frieza yet again?
I've really lost hope for Super to be ever good. It's a bummer, because they do seem to be exhausting every possible good development and doing it in an underwhelming manner.

Guess that's what happen when your goal is to have a series airing in order to sell merchandise rather than to tell a story.

Dragon Ball jumped that shark well well before Super, it started in the Cell arc where everyone started getting the fabled Super Saiyan transformation to point where little kiddies with no effort got it in the Buu arc.

They weren't perfect (specially the Boo arc) but Super is another level on every sense.