We don't know what's stronger, lol. No written statement can prove one way or the other so until then these forms are just parallel universe equivalents to one another or God precedes 4 so 4 is stronger IMO. Gohan SS4 or Vegito SS4 are who beat him, or at least I hope lol.ImmaDeker wrote:Super Saiyan God Broly, for obviously.Flopro18 wrote:What beats SS4 Broly?
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Actually, there is a statement saying that SS Vegetto is perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku, and God Goku is implied to be stronger than SS3 Vegetto. Which would make Super Saiyan God stronger than Super Saiyan 4.Flopro18 wrote:We don't know what's stronger, lol. No written statement can prove one way or the other so until then these forms are just parallel universe equivalents to one another or God precedes 4 so 4 is stronger IMO. Gohan SS4 or Vegito SS4 are who beat him, or at least I hope lol.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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How is it implied when that characters is not even a part of the anime universe of Dragon Ball? We haven't even seen him go full power, let alone full power SS3. I've heard SS4 Goku (Baby Saga) is a decent amount stronger than Super Vegito. Beerus is stronger than Super Vegito but I doubt that God Goku can beat him. IMO, Beerus gets demolished by SS3 Vegito so do with that what you will.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Actually, there is a statement saying that SS Vegetto is perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku, and God Goku is implied to be stronger than SS3 Vegetto. Which would make Super Saiyan God stronger than Super Saiyan 4.Flopro18 wrote:We don't know what's stronger, lol. No written statement can prove one way or the other so until then these forms are just parallel universe equivalents to one another or God precedes 4 so 4 is stronger IMO. Gohan SS4 or Vegito SS4 are who beat him, or at least I hope lol.
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Goku knows SS Vegetto's power, and he knows the power of Super Saiyan 3 as well. He should be able to have an estimation of SS3 Vegetto's power, just like he could estimate SS Gotenks' power by knowing Fusion's power & SS Goten's & Trunks' full power. Plus, Vegetto should be able to go Super Saiyan 3, and Goku said that merging with Vegeta in general would probably not work at all, and then when he actually sensed his God power & Beerus' power, he was surprised that such power even existed.Flopro18 wrote:How is it implied when that characters is not even a part of the anime universe of Dragon Ball? We haven't even seen him go full power, let alone full power SS3. I've heard SS4 Goku (Baby Saga) is a decent amount stronger than Super Vegito. Beerus is stronger than Super Vegito but I doubt that God Goku can beat him. IMO, Beerus gets demolished by SS3 Vegito so do with that what you will.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Goku knows SS Vegetto's power, and he knows the power of Super Saiyan 3 as well. He should be able to have an estimation of SS3 Vegetto's power, just like he could estimate SS Gotenks' power by knowing Fusion's power & SS Goten's & Trunks' full power. Plus, Vegetto should be able to go Super Saiyan 3, and Goku said that merging with Vegeta in general would probably not work at all, and then when he actually sensed his God power & Beerus' power, he was surprised that such power even existed.[/quote
I doubt he'd even contemplated how strong that would be at the moment of the Gods' arrival. I'm going on the idea that even though Beerus (unknown % of power) is stronger than SS Vegito, and SS4 Gokur is stronger than SS Vegito (Baby Saga). That's an untrained SS4, so by the time the Dragon Saga comes around he should be more than capable than Beerus. God Goku in three years to when Beerus returns could be not be stronger than SS4 EOGT and even less than SS3 Vegito.
I doubt he'd even contemplated how strong that would be at the moment of the Gods' arrival. I'm going on the idea that even though Beerus (unknown % of power) is stronger than SS Vegito, and SS4 Gokur is stronger than SS Vegito (Baby Saga). That's an untrained SS4, so by the time the Dragon Saga comes around he should be more than capable than Beerus. God Goku in three years to when Beerus returns could be not be stronger than SS4 EOGT and even less than SS3 Vegito.
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If you just step back and look at this with a bit of logic, it's easy to see that Super Saiyan God is the stronger form. We have the statement that Goku's first SS4 transformation could have him on par with Vegetto, but Super Saiyan God already did that years prior. Even if you assume that all three end up with the exact same Vegetto level of power, just for the sake of argument, it still works out in God Goku's favor.Flopro18 wrote:I doubt he'd even contemplated how strong that would be at the moment of the Gods' arrival. I'm going on the idea that even though Beerus (unknown % of power) is stronger than SS Vegito, and SS4 Gokur is stronger than SS Vegito (Baby Saga). That's an untrained SS4, so by the time the Dragon Saga comes around he should be more than capable than Beerus. God Goku in three years to when Beerus returns could be not be stronger than SS4 EOGT and even less than SS3 Vegito.
GT Goku, based off the Rilld being stronger than Buu line, is supposedly around his Z era SS3 strength in just his base form. So if base GT Goku becomes as strong as Vegetto with SS4 and Z Goku becomes as strong as Vegetto with SS God, then God is about x400 stronger. With even base combat powers, Super Saiyan God would wreck the monkey.
All this is irrelevant though. Broli isn't righteous or pure. He's not getting Super Saiyan God.
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At least he's not until my spec script, Broly: Redeemed, gets in the hands of Toei.
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Who says he's as strong as Vegito? We don't know to what extent of Beerus' power would be needed to beat SS Vegito (much less a SS3), and 70% could defeat God Goku fairly well. That means to me God Goku would lose pretty soundly to Vegito and if Goku SS4 is stronger than Vegito... Well you can do the math. Sorry I'm off topic and I sound like I'm defending SS4 so much. I still think the forms are equal and until I get written proof from both Toei and Toriyama my opinion still stands
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Goku states in the Extended Version that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't do any good against Beerus. If his god form were weaker than a fusion, there would have been no point in fighting.Flopro18 wrote:Who says he's as strong as Vegito? We don't know to what extent of Beerus' power would be needed to beat SS Vegito (much less a SS3), and 70% could defeat God Goku fairly well. That means to me God Goku would lose pretty soundly to Vegito and if Goku SS4 is stronger than Vegito... Well you can do the math. Sorry I'm off topic and I sound like I'm defending SS4 so much. I still think the forms are equal and until I get written proof from both Toei and Toriyama my opinion still stands
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How would they get potara earrings in enough time and if they fused by metamorph then it would wears off. I doubt it's what's weaker but what's more time efficient. My opinion still stands but maybe Heroes will find a way to incorporate a what if of this or something in conjunction with the next movie or whatever.
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Not sure where you're going with this.ImmaDeker wrote:At least he's not until my spec script, Broly: Redeemed, gets in the hands of Toei.
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If Goku had enough time to train, he should have enough time to teleport & get the Potara from Kibitoshin (who is shown wearing them).Flopro18 wrote:How would they get potara earrings in enough time
The problem is that Vegetto wouldn't have been enough to beat Beerus. It's that simple.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It would be a safer bet to train than to rely on another set of earrings, don't you think? If Beerus wanted to destroy the planet he could've, and Goku knew that. To get another set of earrings seems less safe and possibly more time consuming than to warm up a little bit and then fight.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If Goku had enough time to train, he should have enough time to teleport & get the Potara from Kibitoshin (who is shown wearing them).Flopro18 wrote:How would they get potara earrings in enough time
The problem is that Vegetto wouldn't have been enough to beat Beerus. It's that simple.
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Now, how does this make any sense? If Vegetto could really beat Beerus, Goku would go & get the Potara, then find Vegeta, and they would tell Beerus that they would create a strong fighter, which is what Beerus wanted. But Goku simply says that merging with Vegeta wouldn't work. So, Fusion wouldn't work (from Veku to SS3 Gogeta), and Potara wouldn't work (from base to SS3 Vegetto). It's that simple.Flopro18 wrote:It would be a safer bet to train than to rely on another set of earrings, don't you think? If Beerus wanted to destroy the planet he could've, and Goku knew that. To get another set of earrings seems less safe and possibly more time consuming than to warm up a little bit and then fight.
Honestly, it sounds more like people can't accept that Vegetto isn't the mightiest force in DBZ anymore.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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So, how is this so active? I'm pretty sure most of the general fanbase doesn't care at all for DBH. Maybe I was wrong.
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I can accept it. I really don't care and honestly logic never really applies in Dragon Ball as you know, so to say that is a bit false. Goku didn't know how to beat Beerus so it's either go get the earrings or train a bit then go God. When the world is in so much danger that it could not be there at any moment, what would you do? My rationale tells me it's my job to stop this before Beerus has a chance to destroy everything and that's what Goku did. To rely on another person to save the earth is very dangerous when you could prevent it yourself and Goku tried to do just that. For all Goku new Vegeta could have died when he arrived. Sidenote: An EoZ Vegito should beat a BoG Beerus IMO
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But this wasn't the case. It wasn't either use the Potara or try achieve God, it was only about God, because Goku didn't believe that the Potara would work against Beerus.Flopro18 wrote:Goku didn't know how to beat Beerus so it's either go get the earrings or train a bit then go God.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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To be fair, Bebi Vegeta toss a statement about having the "greatest of Saiya power", which Goku agreed, extending that Bebi Vegeta he had the most awesome ki he ever sensed. Whether or not he's including everyone, along with Vegetto, is up for people's interpretation. I personally put SSj4 Goku above SSG Goku and Vegetto.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:If you just step back and look at this with a bit of logic, it's easy to see that Super Saiyan God is the stronger form. We have the statement that Goku's first SS4 transformation could have him on par with Vegetto, but Super Saiyan God already did that years prior. Even if you assume that all three end up with the exact same Vegetto level of power, just for the sake of argument, it still works out in God Goku's favor.Flopro18 wrote:I doubt he'd even contemplated how strong that would be at the moment of the Gods' arrival. I'm going on the idea that even though Beerus (unknown % of power) is stronger than SS Vegito, and SS4 Gokur is stronger than SS Vegito (Baby Saga). That's an untrained SS4, so by the time the Dragon Saga comes around he should be more than capable than Beerus. God Goku in three years to when Beerus returns could be not be stronger than SS4 EOGT and even less than SS3 Vegito.
GT Goku, based off the Rilld being stronger than Buu line, is supposedly around his Z era SS3 strength in just his base form. So if base GT Goku becomes as strong as Vegetto with SS4 and Z Goku becomes as strong as Vegetto with SS God, then God is about x400 stronger. With even base combat powers, Super Saiyan God would wreck the monkey.
All this is irrelevant though. Broli isn't righteous or pure. He's not getting Super Saiyan God.
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It was precautionary. If Vegeta died then what's the use of the earrings? There isn't one. It would be all for naught, yes?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But this wasn't the case. It wasn't either use the Potara or try achieve God, it was only about God, because Goku didn't believe that the Potara would work against Beerus.Flopro18 wrote:Goku didn't know how to beat Beerus so it's either go get the earrings or train a bit then go God.