"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Gundam is also completely owned by Bandai, not just a license. So, every profit Gundam's merchandising makes goes to them, while they don't get everything from Dragonball (or One Piece).

Also, Dragonball still is nowhere near Pretty Cure or Digimon as far as merchandising focus goes. Keep in mind that in later installments of those franchises, the introduction of new heroic characters and power ups is completely dictated by Bandai's staff and their merchandising schedule, and then the anime staff has to figure out how to make a story around that. The studio only has complete control over the villains.

So kind of like Transformers and My Little Pony.

[TheMikado]

Revenue numbers are out:



To put into perspective this huge jump in profit, take note of what Dragon Ball was pulling in the year Super started:



Dragon Ball (Super) is making so much fucking money, it's insane. It's made more than twice the amount of money than One Piece has and is catching up fucking Gundam. And keep in mind the toyline in the US hasn't been released yet. It's gonna make even more money after that. Super is going to last for many more years.

It's important to cite the original sources.

http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/libr ... Result.pdf

While toy sales have doubled, possibly tripled since Super the vast bulk of DBs revenue has come from its video game and network services. Basically all the Cenoverse Dokkon stuff etc. The actual specific Super related content is drawfed by that revenue. HOWEVER that's not to say Super has not had an effect on it and included in the digital content, but especially overseas the video games and network division has been basically banking on non Japanese audiences.

By comparison, nearly ALL of precures revenue comes from it tools/hobbies decision.

[Totamo]

Why didn't they do that in the anine wouldn't have been nearly as repetitive.

Because Buu falling asleep is a running gag. And why wouldn't Buu be able to spell his own name? That just makes Buu look needless stupid along with the cast since they never checked Buu's book smarts.

It was a plot point in the buu saga and toriyama said that before buu was controlled by bibidi, he went through hibernation after destruction.

Point is, its been done before and Buu is an idiot, who speaks in third person or was that the dub?

[Totamo]

What the heck is pretty cure?

[Glen300]

It's important to cite the original sources.

http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/libr ... Result.pdf

While toy sales have doubled, possibly tripled since Super the vast bulk of DBs revenue has come from its video game and network services. Basically all the Cenoverse Dokkon stuff etc. The actual specific Super related content is drawfed by that revenue. HOWEVER that's not to say Super has not had an effect on it and included in the digital content, but especially overseas the video games and network division has been basically banking on non Japanese audiences.

By comparison, nearly ALL of precures revenue comes from it tools/hobbies decision.

Thanks for this chart, I wondered what the breakdown was. Prior to 2015 there was no Dokkan Battle, Xenoverse, Fusions games or Super Anime.

So Super does play a part in the increased revenue, but Bandai is still making money off Z and GT.

[Lord Beerus]

What the heck is pretty cure?

Magical girls who kick ass with help from the power of friendship.

[Totamo]

What the heck is pretty cure?

Magical girls who kick ass with help from the power of friendship.

Isn't that sailor moon?

[Lord Beerus]

What the heck is pretty cure?

Magical girls who kick ass with help from the power of friendship.

Isn't that sailor moon?

Pretty much. By PreCure has its own unique spin on the Magical Girl genre that makes it just unique enough to not seem like a carbon copy of Sailor Moon. But it should be noted that while Sailor Moon is arguably the most famous example of a Magical Girl manga/anime, it's far from the most original case. The Magical Girl genre has been around since the 50s.

[Totamo]

Magical girls who kick ass with help from the power of friendship.

Isn't that sailor moon?

Pretty much. By PreCure has it's own unique spin on the Magical Girl genre that makes it just unique enough to not seem like a carbon copy of Sailor Moon. But it should be noted that while Sailor Moon is arguably the most famous example of a Magical Girl manga/anime, it's far from the most original case. The Magical Girl genre has been around since the 50s.

Oh ok, I just checked it out and there are 14 seasons and its produced by Toei.


I can see Dragon ball going this right by replacing the Z fighters with every season.

[MrBlackFox]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

[TheMikado]

It's important to cite the original sources.

http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/libr ... Result.pdf

While toy sales have doubled, possibly tripled since Super the vast bulk of DBs revenue has come from its video game and network services. Basically all the Cenoverse Dokkon stuff etc. The actual specific Super related content is drawfed by that revenue. HOWEVER that's not to say Super has not had an effect on it and included in the digital content, but especially overseas the video games and network division has been basically banking on non Japanese audiences.

By comparison, nearly ALL of precures revenue comes from it tools/hobbies decision.

Thanks for this chart, I wondered what the breakdown was. Prior to 2015 there was no Dokkan Battle, Xenoverse, Fusions games or Super Anime.

So Super does play a part in the increased revenue, but Bandai is still making money off Z and GT.

Absolutely! The revenue is for the entire franchise worldwide which includes places Super hasn't even released in yet or just recently did. Don't forget all the other DB related media such as Jaco and DB minus and all the hyping of Bardock and Broly. We just recently got Xeno Bardock and SSJ4 Gohan and Broly. All these products streams are allow pushing modern DB so it can't be assumed that this revenue increase is solely or even primarily caused by Super. That's not to say it has a small or large part but that it is only a part. The only Super exclusive content we could get measurements on would probably be DVD/streaming sets. But even that isn't fair because we live in a world where DB Super is available for free anytime to anyone with just a smartphone. It's likely we may never know the extent to which Super is solely responsible but I don't think that really matters.

[HeroR]

It was a plot point in the buu saga and toriyama said that before buu was controlled by bibidi, he went through hibernation after destruction.

Point is, its been done before and Buu is an idiot, who speaks in third person or was that the dub?

Dub he speaks in the third person and has a more childish voice. And it has been a plot point that Buu is much smarter than his acts, which is how he fooled Babidi and even fooled Goku during their brief sparring match. Him failing the test because he's book dumb, fine. Goku barely pass it in the manga. Not being able to spell his own name is going too far.

[TheMikado]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

That's what I'm anticipating, I've said it before but I believe the universal arc is a setup to spawn spin off series.

[SansrivaaL]

What the heck is pretty cure?

Magical girls who kick ass with help from the power of friendship.

So its basically Fairy Tail but with cute girls as the fanservice? jesus.

[MrBlackFox]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

That's what I'm anticipating, I've said it before but I believe the universal arc is a setup to spawn spin off series.

Damn, I need more Dragon Ball things right now
When's the next chance to have something announced ? A game, a movie, a spinoff series, anything

Now that I rethink to this, Hit's universe episode was great, Cabba moments has been good so far, and I liked Toppo's ones too

Maybe they're testing their receptions?

[Lord Beerus]

It's important to cite the original sources.

http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/libr ... Result.pdf

While toy sales have doubled, possibly tripled since Super the vast bulk of DBs revenue has come from its video game and network services. Basically all the Cenoverse Dokkon stuff etc. The actual specific Super related content is drawfed by that revenue. HOWEVER that's not to say Super has not had an effect on it and included in the digital content, but especially overseas the video games and network division has been basically banking on non Japanese audiences.

By comparison, nearly ALL of precures revenue comes from it tools/hobbies decision.

Thanks for this chart, I wondered what the breakdown was. Prior to 2015 there was no Dokkan Battle, Xenoverse, Fusions games or Super Anime.

So Super does play a part in the increased revenue, but Bandai is still making money off Z and GT.

Absolutely! The revenue is for the entire franchise worldwide which includes places Super hasn't even released in yet or just recently did. Don't forget all the other DB related media such as Jaco and DB minus and all the hyping of Bardock and Broly. We just recently got Xeno Bardock and SSJ4 Gohan and Broly. All these products streams are allow pushing modern DB so it can't be assumed that this revenue increase is solely or even primarily caused by Super. That's not to say it has a small or large part but that it is only a part. The only Super exclusive content we could get measurements on would probably be DVD/streaming sets. But even that isn't fair because we live in a world where DB Super is available for free anytime to anyone with just a smartphone. It's likely we may never know the extent to which Super is solely responsible but I don't think that really matters.

The revenues for the franchise is calculated from the end of march of one year to the end of march from the next year. The profit that Dragon Ball generated is representative from how well Dragon Ball was performing from March 31st of 2016 to March 31st of 2017. By March of last year to March of this year, Dragon Ball Super has distributed worldwide. It's been broadcasted on TV stations in the USA, France, Italy, Spain, (English-speaking) Africa, Portugal, Israel, Southeast Asia, India, and has been simulcasted legally on the three of the biggest anime streaming services in the world through Crunchyroll, Daisuki.net, and Anime Lab. Dragon Ball Super has basically gained a footing in viewership in every major country in the world by this stage.

It should be also noted that the majority of Dragon Ball's profit still comes from Japan. I actually calculated it. 79% of the profit that Dragon Ball has generated through video games, TV deals, sponsorships, toys and network arrangements came from Japan in the last year. And the rest of Asia, the Americas, Europe and rest of the world make up the remaining 21%. So in reality, while the overseas audiences have contributed to Dragon Balls profit, it's Japan that is still without a doubt the major driving force in making Dragon Ball the money spinner that it is today.

[TheMikado]

^ Correct but if Super were the primary driver of increased revenue then it would logically follow that a wider worldwide release would also drive up the overseas product sales percentage.

[Xeztin]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

The Dragon Ball room, Super, Super Heroes, Reincarnated as Yamcha, all these games, Dragon Ball is fastly becoming the new Yugioh or Pokémon. (Which is good to me)

[MrBlackFox]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

The Dragon Ball room, Super, Super Heroes, Reincarnated as Yamcha, all these games, Dragon Ball is fastly becoming the new Yugioh or Pokémon. (Which is good to me)

To me too, I love to be overwhelmed with series I love

I'll never understand people that say "insertseriesname has to stay dead, it's over"
I read this shit all the time with Dragon Ball, Metal Gear Solid and several other series
Damn, just ignore new material and let the others enjoy it

[kinisking]

With the expanded universe, thanks to the 12 universes story, Dragon Ball could literally have dozens of spin offs who show other fighters in their adventures

Just try to imagine a pride troopers centered arc, or Cabba and his companions deal with a Frieza - Cell-Buu equivalent
Great

OT: Sad to not see Pokémon in that merchandise chart, years ago maybe it was different

The Dragon Ball room, Super, Super Heroes, Reincarnated as Yamcha, all these games, Dragon Ball is fastly becoming the new Yugioh or Pokémon. (Which is good to me)

To me too, I love to be overwhelmed with series I love

I'll never understand people that say "insertseriesname has to stay dead, it's over"
I read this shit all the time with Dragon Ball, Metal Gear Solid and several other series
Damn, just ignore new material and let the others enjoy it

Exactly. I stopped liking one piece so I stopped reading. Simple as that guys.