Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:32 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:And I think American fans read or watch the series and proceed to move on because the English version is terrible. Japanese fans tend to stick around a bit because the real Dragon Ball provides things worth sticking around for.

Basically though, the dub is the same story... Just told in a different way. If there's long lasting appeal in the story, I find it hard to believe that that could be lost in translation.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:33 pm

JAPPO wrote:You're right, the quality of the film is irrelevant if the studio markets the film properly. Even disgustingly awful movies like "Date Movie" still make money because the studios know their brain dead audience.

If marketed properly and released on a different weekend, the movie could have pulled in probably around 20-40 million opening weekend. Too bad I guess.

It's interesting to note though that "CRANK: High Voltage" Only pulled in 6 million opening weekend and I couldn't go anywhere without seeing ads for it.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:39 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Basically though, the dub is the same story... Just told in a different way. If there's long lasting appeal in the story, I find it hard to believe that that could be lost in translation.

A bad translation (or dub, or localization) can ruin a story.
You just have to look at some Lord of the Rings translations, for example...

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:39 pm

That's very true, Inna. Funi was never able to completely undo the work Toriyama had produced. The Buu Saga still held a lot of wonder, for example, in regards to how much things changed during the previous seven years.

And honestly, the mindless grunge music of the English dub holds a lot of nostalgic charm for me. I do think that any specific affection I have for the dub boils down to nostalgia, though - it's certainly nothing like the English Sailor Moon, which, while just as unfaithful to the source material as Dragon Ball Z's dub (Speaking of Sailor Moon Classic and Sailor Moon R here), is a very cute and charming production in its own right; I always did think those screenwipes that were absent from the original had a certain kind of appeal. The dub has a lot of spirit, a lot of heart, and I can easily see why it became so popular in the US.

Dragon Ball Z's dub, on the other hand, is crap that I hold some fondness towards only because it's the crap I sometimes watched after school during grades 9 and 10.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:24 pm

JAPPO wrote:Yeah it's my favorite game..

I love it too... the cult grows...

Innagadadavida wrote:Basically though, the dub is the same story... Just told in a different way. If there's long lasting appeal in the story, I find it hard to believe that that could be lost in translation.

Part of the problem, though, is that the dub isn't just a translation. I can cite a number of anime that were translated, localized, even westernized to varying degrees (like, hey, FUNi's own Yu Yu Hakusho dub) and still came out an enjoyable and comparable experience. I don't mean that as an insult to those who do enjoy the dub. But you can't deny that by airing the series out of order across multiple dubbing attempts (and YES, I know not all of that was FUNi's fault) the American audience was delivered a far inferior and less consistent presentation than the original audience. Most audiences worldwide, honestly. The story from DB to Z is supposed to be one continuously flowing tale. To the English-speaking audience they are two separate shows, and they aren't internally consistent (with DB being mostly faithful, but no efforts to fix the contradictory statements made in Z). Characterizations of specific characters fluctuated within the series. Watching it in chronological order is a clusterfuck. It took us years to get Dragon Ball. Before then, all we had on DB back story were the filler flashbacks, and FUNi botched most of those right into continuity hell. They took many opportunities to add their own theories to things in the script. Sometimes they seemed insightful, other times you had to wonder what they were smoking.

Oh, and their DVD releases. They have not been good to DBZ fans with the home releases. Not at all, not ever.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:03 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:Besides, you do like the Japanese fanbase, hence you posting at Daizenshuu and enjoying our company.

You say that as if every single person here prefers the Japanese version.

Dr. Casey wrote:And I think American fans read or watch the series and proceed to move on because the English version is terrible. Japanese fans tend to stick around a bit because the real Dragon Ball provides things worth sticking around for.

Once again, a blanket statement.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:20 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Dr. Casey wrote:Besides, you do like the Japanese fanbase, hence you posting at Daizenshuu and enjoying our company.
You say that as if every single person here prefers the Japanese version.

Dr. Casey wrote:And I think American fans read or watch the series and proceed to move on because the English version is terrible. Japanese fans tend to stick around a bit because the real Dragon Ball provides things worth sticking around for.
Once again, a blanket statement.

Yeah, you can't just say that. Because I've watched both the English and Japanese versions of the series, and I watch neither just to get to the next episode. I watch them to enjoy them. Isn't that what we all do? Or does it work differently in your world, where everyone wants to be a wise old Dragonball fanboy-sage? Sorry, but for me, it doesn't work that way.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:53 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Considering the fact that my last girlfriend was a French Otaku, and the fact that she is an absolutely lovely person, I think the both of you need to shut your fucking mouths.

Whoa! Was one of those comments the one I made?! If so, then you need to just slow down and calm your jets, pal. I have nothing against the French.

ME wrote:French guys. It was a movie.
You didn't have to enjoy it, but that? Seriously?

You know why I pointed out "French"? Because the people giving the funeral were FRENCH PEOPLE! If they were Africans, then I would have said AFRICAN PEOPLE. If they were Mexican, I would have said MEXICAN PEOPLE.

If they were Japanese, then it would have been funny and I would have laughed along with them, because they're allowed to do that kind of thing.

I personally don't really give a crap if they have their little funeral or not. Although I think it's going a bit too far(I mean, a little fan-youtube vid or Flash would have been alright.) their little shin-dig didn't hurt me or bother me in the least. They can be all "Otaku"(And not in the popular way) if they want, but I'll just be happy as a clam sitting here and enjoying what's given to me.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:23 am

So, I saw the movie tonight, with my roomate. We literally had the theatre to ourselves.

This movie is eh passable for a movie, it's not good, but it could be worse. As a Dragon Ball film, it's downright terrible.

Am I really supposed to believe the WWE inspired ring is the Tenka-ichi Budokai arena? Why is Kame House in the middle of a city? Why is Bulma a wannabe Rambo? Why is Goku such a horny teenager. Nameks are a race of alien invaders? Really?!

I will say a few things in its defense, people who go on about Goku never smiling, no wrong, he does smile a decent amount in the movie. The problem with this Goku is threefold. He's a bit too intelligent, he's a bit too interested in girls to be Goku, and he goes through too much angst.

Overall, if I was using the X Play scale I'd say its a 2 out of 5. It could EASILY have been MUCH worse, but it isn't exactly good either.

Also, the Dragon Balls enducing LoTR like moments in Goku's head is just weeeeird.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:21 am

The Rotten Tomatoes score has gone down to 14%, for anyone that cares.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:09 pm

Messed up article
http://firefox.org/news/articles/2727/1 ... Page1.html

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:49 pm

I'll just leave this here.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:06 pm

I will just leave this here as well...

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:45 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:I will just leave this here as well...

Whoa, Piccolo with a hole through his chest, a Shenlong that actually looks like Shenlong, a Grampa Gohan with his mustache, and a not-blonde Yamcha? Nice stuff. :3

Actually, everyone looks better in the character designs (except Postboy Piccolo, and Phantom Mai). Chi-Chi's old design in this looks pretty hardcore. O_O

Those character sheets look like a Western-style comic. I like how Goku and Master Roshi look in those better than how they turned out to look in the movie as well.

So many what-ifs and what-could-have-beens though.....

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/959/hni0081.jpg would've been a really nice Yamcha.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:42 pm

Yup a lot was cut out ... dunno why.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:51 pm

I'll be the first to say,"Who the fuck is this?!".

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:53 pm

The game sadly doesn't say. It is either a prototype design for Oozaru, or a Fu Lum.

Also Neo Piccolo (the post boy looking Piccolo) seems to be DBE's Ma Junior. He may have been the guy we see in the bed eating soup...

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:00 pm

Pain wrote:I'll be the first to say,"Who the fuck is this?!"

Motaro from Mortal Kombat, or at least that's the first thing that came to mind for me.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:36 pm

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:47 pm

Aw having Cymbal in the movie would've been awesome; if only so that we'd have some of Piccolo's original minions in there (Mai kinda counts; but I mean in terms of characters from the manga who Piccolo created/gave birth to.)

Why were so many things dropped from the final product?