Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

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Going by the manga alone, we can only tell that SS3 Gotenks & U. Gohan are much stronger (by an unknown amount) than SS3 Goku for sure. However, we can't tell how SS3 Goku compares to SS Gotenks (both pre & post RoSaT), because Goku reveals in the end that he was stronger than he was saying.

But if you add the guidebooks to the mix, we get the SS multipliers (SS = base x50, SS2 = base x100, SS3 = base x400), and a generic Fusion multiplier (Fusion = base x many (dozens of) times). And with the manga implying that all the base Saiyans in Boo arc (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) have a less than x2 gap between them, it makes SS Gotenks (pre) much stronger than SS3 Goku.

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And with the manga implying that all the base Saiyans in Boo arc (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) have a less than x2 gap between them

What led you to that conclusion?

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And with the manga implying that all the base Saiyans in Boo arc (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) have a less than x2 gap between them

What led you to that conclusion?

Trunks was only a little stronger than Goten.

SS Goten was a very good sparing partner for SS Gohan, and while SS Gohan could block all of SS Goten's hits, he couldn't do that easily. SS Trunks went all out on SS Vegeta, and while Vegeta could not so easily block all of Trunks' hits, Trunks almost hit him once, and Vegeta was forced to punch him in the face to stop him. The difference is obviously smaller than the difference between Goku (was using around 60.000, true power 90.000) and Jheese & Butta (between 30.000 & 60.000), which is a less than x2 difference. The kids got even stronger in RoSaT.

Goku said that he could use Fusion with Gohan, and since Fusion requires similar powers, it means that the difference between Goku & Gohan wasn't x2, which is a huge difference.

So, the difference between Goku (strongest Saiyan) & Goten (weakest Saiyan) is at most x2 (while in the same form of course).

The kids are also implied to be stronger than #18 (SS Trunks' suppressed ki blast was considered dangerous for her), and even Piccolo (he was much weaker than Kaioshin, who was much weaker than the Super Saiyan adults, so there is a big gap between Piccolo & the Super Saiyan adults, which would possibly make the kids above him). Why are the kids so strong? They seem to have mastered Super Saiyan, and they were sparring for years, so that would explain why they are that strong.

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I reworked my power levels from page 202.

* indicates official Battle Powers.

Dragon Ball part 1

Search for the Dragon Balls Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 10.*
-Ozaru: 100.*
-Without tail: 8.5.

Bulma: 3.

Yamcha: 8.
Krillin: 7.

Ox King: 60.

Bulma was an average teenage girl, so she should've been a fair amount weaker than the average man. Yamcha and Krillin were a fair deal above the average man, Yamcha looking like the strongest with his feat of blasting Goku through some rocks. Krillin despite his small frame and his young age of 13 was capable of running 100m in 10.1s and knocking out a saber-toothed cat with a single blow, so he was also a good deal above the average.
Ox King was Muten Roshi's #2 pupil, so he's quite strong.

The 21st Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 60.
-With tail: 70.
--Kamehameha: 100.
--Ozaru: 700.

Krillin: 49.

Lanfan: 7.
Bacterian: 8.
Yamcha: 12.

Giran: 35.

Namu: 60.

Jackie Chun (Kame-sennin): 70.
-Kamehameha: 100.
-Full Power: 139.
--Kamehameha: 169.

Goku and Krillin both got their Battle Powers multiplied by 7 just because(Goku slightly more than 7).
Lanfan and Bacterian were outmatched by their respective opponents, but I think they both should have had decent fighting qualities despite their progression to the finals being most likely based on their dirty tricks rather than their power alone.
Giran on the other hand was all about the power, but it wasn't good enough to match Goku's.
Namu wasn't outmatched against Goku, so his BP shouldn't have been much lower.
Kame-sennin and Goku were equally matched more or less, so I'll just give their BPs as the same like the official powers do with Goku and Piccolo.
In his Full Power form Kame-sennin's power was surpassed only by Ozaru Goku, but it wasn't good for fighting and probably strained his body too much like Freeza in his 100% state or Super Saiyans in grade 3.

The Battle with the Red Ribbon Army.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 70.
-After his battles in the muscle Tower: 75.
--After training under Karin: 130.

Sergent Metallic: 50.
Ninja Murasaki: 15.
Buyon: 30.
Sergent Metallic couldn't hold Goku with its hands, so its power was a fair deal inferior to Goku's. Goku couldn't injure it with his punch, but severely damaged its body with his Kamehameha. I think its durability feats are related to the materials it consisted of rather than its power. Ninja Murasaki was quite weak and relied on his various tricks to do something to Goku and Buyon's feats stem from his rubbery body rather than superior power.


Android #8: 150.
Unlike Goku #8 was able to tank General White's Power Gun, so he was a good deal stronger than goku.

Colonel Silver: 8.
General White: 10.
-Power Gun: 100.
General Blue: 65.
Assistant Black: 70.
No real basis for Silver and White. They are both far weaker than Goku, but my guess is that they were still strong compared to the average man. General Blue was owning an overconfident Krillin(who did manage to land a hit by tricking him with an afterimage), but was taken out by an improved Goku. Assistant Black said he'd be more of a match than the others before him.

Krillin: 50.
Krillin improved ever so slightly..

Karin: 150.
In the manga Karin actually said that pre Super God Water Goku had surpassed him, so his power should be below 180.

Tao Pai Pai: 110.
-Dodonpa: 130.
Tao Pai Pai was much stronger than General Blue and Goku, but after Goku trained with Karin, Tao Pai Pai was no match for him.

Dracula Man: 5.
Invisible Man: 10.
Mummy Man: 80.
Devil Man: 100.
Uranai Baba's fighters got progressively stronger and Mummy Man was said to be more than a match for the 21st Tournament version of Goku.

Unknown Man (Son Gohan): 115.
-Kamehameha: 145.
Significantly stronger than all the other fighters, but in his own words: "no match for [Goku]."

The 22nd Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 150.
-Full Power: 180.*

Man-Wolf: 50.
Pan-Poot: 75.
King Chapa: 100.
Chaozu: 100.
-Dodonpa: 120.

Yamcha: 108.
-Kamehameha: 138.
Krillin: 110.
-Kamehameha: 70.
Yamcha and Krillin were said to be close in power. Krillin hadn't trained his Kamehameha, so it wasn't very powerful.

Tsuru-sennin: 120.*
Jackie Chun (Kame-sennin): 139.*
Tenshinhan was impressed by Kame-sennin, because he was even stronger than Tsuru-sennin. Since Tenshinhan also fought Yamcha and Yamcha was said to be close in power to Krillin, this implied, that neither of those two were stronger than Tsuru-sennin.

Tenshinhan: 180.*
-Dodonpa: 200.
-Kamehameha: 210.
-Kikoho(holding back): 250.

Kikoho was stronger than the Kamehameha as stated by Kame-sennin. I randomly decided Kamehameha was better than Dodonpa.

The Piccolo Daimao Arc.

Spoiler:

Piano: 7.
Cymbal: 28.
Tambourine: 140.
Drum: 210.

Yajirobe: 150.
Yajirobe seemed to be evenly matched with Goku's match-use power, but was dumbfounded by Goku's true power. Piccolo stated that Tambourine was many times stronger than Cymbal(and it was confirmed to be in terms of Battle Power according to Tambourine's Daizenshuu 7 profile).

Son Goku: 180.*
-Kamehameha: 210.
-Super God Water Power-up: 260.*
--Ozaru Fist: 350.

Piccolo Daimao: 220.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.*
---Bakurikimaha: 300.

Mister Popo: 300.

Kami: 340.

The 23rd Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 300.
-Without Weights: 410.
--Super Kamehameha: 910.*
Goku was said to be far more powerful than he was 3 years ago, but his speed didn't go up(but that was only because his weights held him back).
Weekly Jump just listed 910 besides 23rd TB Goku without giving some accompanying text, explaning why it was so high. This seems to be the case with Gohan's 2800+ as well, so I concluded that they are simply talking about the characters' top ki, which is only brought forth in a large beam attack like the Super Kamehameha similar to the fight with Raditz.

King Chapa: 120.
Chaozu: 120.
Chi Chi: 130. *
Chi Chi was one hell of a woman.

Yamcha: 170.
-Sokidan: 270.
Krillin: 200.
-Kamehameha: 230.
I just rounded their beginning of Z Battle Powers down to the nearest ten. Yamcha's Sokidan knocked Kami off his feet and damaged him, so it was a quite strong attack.

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai: 180.
-Super Dodonpa: 210.*
I disliked Tao being so close to Tenshinhan in raw power, so I once again twisted it to fit my needs.

Tenshinhan: 240.
-Awesome foursome: 60 each body.
After the fight Tenshinhan admitted Goku's strength was on "another level" and all Goku did without his weights was showing, that he was faster than Tenshinhan, so logically weighted Goku was above Tenshinhan(this seems to be shown, when they were in that hold and Tenshinhan was popping veins, while Goku wasn't that tense).

Shen (Kami): 340.

Ma Junior (Piccolo): 360.
-Full Power: 400.
--Shockwave: 890.
So apparently Piccolo was able to tank Goku's Super Kamehameha, despite being less than ½ its power. How this worked, I have no idea.

Dragon Ball part 2

The Battle with Raditz

Spoiler:

Farmer: 5.*

Son Goku: 334.*
-Without weights: 416.*
--Kamehameha: 924.*
--Broken ribs: 100.

Piccolo: 322.*
-Without weights: 408.*
--Demonic Light Screw: 1,330.*
-After fighting Raditz: 329.*

Son Gohan: 1~710.*
-Full Power: 1,307.*
--Oozaru: 13,070.

Raditz: 1,500.*
-Broken armor: 50.

Kame-sennin: 139.*
Yamcha: 177.*
Kuririn: 206.*
Tenshinhan: 250.*

The Battle with Nappa and Vegeta

Spoiler:

Lord Kaio: 3,500.*

Chaozu: 610.*
-Self Destruct: 1220.
Yajirobe: 970.*

Yamcha: 1,300.
-Kamehameha: 1,480.*

Krillin: 1,083*
-Full Power: 1,400.
--Blast: 1,770.*
--Kienzan: 1,500.

Tenshinhan: 1,500.
-Kikoho: 1,830.*

Piccolo: 2,000.
-Two-handed Demonic Light Screw: 3,500.*

Son Gohan: 981*.
-Full Power: 1,600.
--Masenko: 2,800.*
--Ozaru: 16,000.

Basically, I'm of the opinion that the official powers listed in the Saiyan Arc ignore the difference between fighting at one's full power and unleashing a full power blast, so I twisted them all to fit my needs .

Saibaiman: 1,200.*
-Self Destruct: 2,400.

Nappa: 4,000.*
-Calm: Enough to impress Goku.
--Greatest Technique: 6,000.
Goku was worried about Nappa's Greatest Technique, saying he would've been in serious trouble, if it had connected.

Son Goku: 5,000.*
-Full Power: 8,000.*
--Kaio-ken x2: 16,000.*
--Kaio-ken x3: 24,000.*
--After Kaio-ken x3: 6,000.
---Kaio-ken x3 + Kamehameha: 23,000.
---Kaio-ken x4 + Kamehameha: 29,000.*

Genkidama: 200,000.
-second try: 100,000.
Apparently the Genkidama only lost ½ its power and Goku was sure the first was enough for Ozaru Vegeta. It may be that using power levels for the Genkidama is not the same as with proper ki attacks like Kamehameha. Or Goku was horribly wrong.

Vegeta: 18,000.*
-Galick Gun: 23,000.
-Ozaru: 180,000.
-against Gohan: 2,000.
-after Genkidama: 1,000.
He said, he couldn't control his Battle Power, but his Galick Gun matched Goku's KKx3 Kamehameha...

Go for it! The Planet Namek.

Spoiler:

Kuririn: 5.
-Weighted: 1,300.
-No weights: 1,500.

Son Gohan: 5.
-Full Power: 1,700.
As we saw from their meditation fight(?), Krillin was overpowered by Gohan. They both improved a little bit.

Freeza Scouts: 500.
Freeza Goons: 1500.
Appule: 2,500.

Young Namekians: 3,000.*

Vegeta: 24,000.*
-Recovery boost: 30,000.*

Kyui: 18,000.*
Dodoria: 22,000.*

Zarbon: 23,000.*
-Transformed: 32,000.
In their second battle Vegeta decided to employ a strategy based on catching Zarbon off-guard rather than just overpower him and also seemed a bit nervous before executing his plan, so I always saw Zarbon as at least as strong as Vegeta, if not stronger. I like my power levels to have some weird patterns, so transformed Zarbon's power level is 23 reversed and then a thousand strapped on at the back.

The Terrible Ginyu Special-Squad.

Spoiler:

Kuririn(Hidden Power unlocked): 10,000.
-Kamehameha: 13,000.*
Son Gohan(Hidden Power unlocked): 11,000.
-Masenko: 14,000.*
I'm really ruining everything with my desire to be consistent ain't I

Vegeta: 30,000.*
-Full Power Blast: 35,000.

Gurd: 5,000.

Recoome: 40,000.
Butta: 40,000.
Jheese: 40,000.
I bumped them all down to this. I find it more fitting.

Captain Ginyu: 75,000.
-Full Power: 120,000.*
-In Goku’s body: 23,000.*

Son Goku: 5,000.*
-Full Power: 90,000.*
--Kaio-ken x2: 180,000.*

Captain Ginyu initially assumed Goku's BP was 60,000. After fighting him for a bit he found Goku even more capable than initially thought. When he held Goku still, he was using his full power and so was Goku, leading to Ginyu thinking, Goku could reach 85,000.

Nail: 42,000.*

The Legendary Super Saiyan.

Spoiler:

Kuririn: 10,000.

Piccolo: 52,000.
-Merged with Nail: 1,300,000.
--No weights: 1,500,000.
Piccolo boasted, that he was strong enough to spank Freeza, but he was just saying that to reassure Gohan. When he arrived on Namek, he realized, he was facing a huge task, though it took Nail to convince him, that his power would be useless.

Son Gohan: 14,000.
-Full Power: 700,000.
--Recovery boost: 900,000.
---Blast: 1,800,000.

Vegeta: 250,000.*
-Recovery boost: 2,500,000.
--Full Power Blast: 3,000,000.

Son Goku: 3,000,000.*
-Kaio-ken x10: 30,000,000.*
-Worn out: 2,000,000.
--Kaio-ken x20 + Kamehameha: 90,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 150,000,000.*
--Kamehameha: 200,000,000.

Genkidama: 100,000,000.

Freeza: 530,000.*
-Second Form: 1,400,000.
-Third Form: 2,000,000.
-Final Form: 3,400,000.
--50%: 60,000,000.*
--100%: 120,000,000.*
Freeza detonated Goku's humongous KKx20 Kamehameha with a kiai, I guess and survived the explosion.

Multipliers

Spoiler:

Super Saiyan Transformations:

Super Saiyan: BP*50.
Super Saiyan Second Grade: BP*75.
Super Saiyan Third Grade: BP*150.
Super Saiyan 2: BP*100.
Super Saiyan 3: BP*400.
Super Saiyan God: BP*10,000,000.

Fusion

Metamorian Fusion: when a < b,
ab = a*20.

Potara Merging:
When there is a huge gap in power the outcome will not get a huge boost on top of the strongest one like Kaioshin after his merger with Kibito.
When the gap in power between fusees is small however:
ab = a*10,000

Trunks the Story –A Lone Warrior–

Spoiler:

Trunks: 3,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 3,000,001.

Son Gohan: 3,400,000.
-Super Saiyan: 170,000,000.

#17: 250,000,000.
#18: 220,000,000.

3 years later...

Super Saiyan Trunks: 175,000,000.

The Boy from the Future

Spoiler:

Mecha Freeza: 140,000,000.
King Cold: 90,000,000.

Trunks: 5.*
-Full Power: 3,500,000.
--Super Saiyan: 175,000,000.

Son Goku: 4,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 200,000,000.

The Androids unleashed.

Spoiler:

Android #20: 140,000,000.
Android #19: 90,000,000.
-Before absorbing Goku's Kamehameha: 50,000,000.
--Goku absorbed: 150,000,000.
-Before absorbing Vegeta's power: 20,000,000.
--Vegeta absorbed: 145,000,000.
I like to have them as strong as the last pair of villains. #19 & #20's powers will eventually start falling just like organic beings, so after receiving beatings from Goku and Vegeta #19's power had fallen quite a bit.

Yamcha: 10,000.
Tenshinhan: 20,000.
Krillin: 30,000.
Being exceptionally strong for an earthling counts for nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Son Gohan: 3,500,000.

Piccolo: 175,000,000.
Piccolo tried his best to keep up with the saiyans, but they all stayed one step ahead of him.

Super Saiyan Trunks: 200,000,000.
Super Saiyan Son Goku: 240,000,000.
-Sick: 120,000,000.
--Kamehameha: 100,000,000.
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 250,000,000.
-Drained: 125,000,000.
--Big Bang Attack: 175,000,000.
Trunks should have trained a little bit, so he's decently stronger than he was 3 years ago.

Android #18: 320,000,000.
Android #17: 350,000,000.
Despite Trunks' claim that Vegeta was fighting the android evenly, I think it's telling Vegeta didn't manage to do any damage with the hits he landed, no blood or anything. Contrast that to Piccolo vs #17, where both of them end up bloody before Piccolo's power starts dropping and I conclude there was already a significant difference in power between #18 and Vegeta before Vegeta started to lose power.

Cell's Perfect Form, Achieved!!

Spoiler:

Piccolo(merged with Kami): 300,000,000.
-no weights: 350,000,000.
--Worn out: 300,000,000.
---Light Grenade: 360,000,000.

Android No.16: 450,000,000.

Tenshinhan: 20,000.
-Shin Kikoho: 500,000,000.
...

Vegeta: 16,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 800,000,000.
--Second Grade: 1,200,000,000.
---Final Flash: 2,400,000,000.

Trunks: 15,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 750,000,000.
--Second Grade: 1,125,000,000.
--Third Grade: 2,250,000,000.

Cell: 260,000,000.
-Kamehameha: 260,005,000.
-after feeding frenzy: 450,000,000.
--Second Form: 600,000,000.
---Full Power: 900,000,000.
----Perfect Form(warm-up): 1,100,000,000.
-----Slightly serious: 1,800,000,000.

Son Goku: 4,800,000.
-Super Saiyan: 240,000,000.
--Second Grade: 360,000,000.
--Third Grade: 720,000,000.

I put Goku here to show, that he surpassed initial second form Cell with Super Saiyan Grade 3 as stated by Gohan.

The Cell Games Begin

Spoiler:

Mister Satan: 6.66.

Piccolo: 700,000,000.

Vegeta: 56,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,800,000,000.

Trunks: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.

Son Goku: 70,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 3,500,000,000.
--Kamehameha: 7,000,000,000.

Son Gohan: 80,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000.
--Kamehameha: 16,000,000,000.

Cell Juniors: 3,000,000,000.

Cell: 1,800,000,000.
-Powered up: 3,600,000,000.
--Full Power: 5,000,000,000.
---Kamehameha: 8,000,000,000.
---Power Weighted: 6,000,000,000.
---Recovery Boost: 7,000,000,000.
----Kamehameha: 14,000,000,000.

Peace for the Future...

Spoiler:

#17: 250,000,000.
#18: 220,000,000.

Trunks: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.

Over 3 years later...

Cell: 26,000,000.
-Full Power: 260,000,000.

Trunks: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.

The 25th Strongest under the Heavens Tournament

Spoiler:

Pintar: 5.8.
Killa: 6.
Jewel: 6.4.
Jewel was the runner-up in the 24th Tournament, so he should be the strongest of the regular fighters. Both Pintar and Killa made it to the semi-finals last time out, so they weren't that different.

Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Videl: 7.
Mr. Satan has regressed a little bit dropping down 2 points on the punching machine and going from a BP of 6.667 in the Cell Games to 6.660 in this arc.

Spopovich: 6.7.
Yamu: 6.9.
These Guys are weird, Spopovich was getting his ass kicked by Videl, so I think he should be weaker, than her, but still stronger than Mr. Satan. Yamu has a higher BP simply because he's the Vegeta to Spopovich's Nappa.

Krillin: 30,000.

#18: 320,000,000.
Piccolo: 700,000,000.

Kibito: 30,000,000.
Kibito was a weakling compared to normal Gohan. He couldn't lift the Z-Sword and Gohan only thought it'd be a tough match, because he had just heard from Piccolo, that Kibito's buddy Shin was even stronger than Piccolo.

Son Gohan: 72,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 7,200,000,000.

The Battle with Babidi's fighters and Majin Buu

Spoiler:

Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000.
Much stronger than Piccolo and in reality much stronger than Babidi's minions bar Dabra. He was extremely cautious though, as he didn't know the strength of them.

Super Saiyan Son Gohan: 7,200,000,000.

Babidi: 260.
Pui Pui: 18,000.
Yakon: 120,000,000.
Dabra: 7,000,000,000.
I made them all even with earlier main villains just because. Dabra was at first said to be as strong as Cell and Kaioshin thought it'd take more than SS2 Gohan from the 25th Tournament to beat him and was later talking about how Kibito didn't get to see his amazing power. Whether or not Gohan being for all intents and purposes a normal Super Saiyan completely changed Dabra's relation to Cell in terms of strength is the 1,000,000$ question... But I just have them up there anyway.

Vegeta: 80,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000.
--Babidi Power Up: 10,000,000,000.
---Self Destruct: 25,000,000,000.
Vegeta remarked that despite his intense training, Goku retained the same gap, he had on him at the Cell Games, which according to this list is 1.25(Vegeta = 80% Goku).

Son Goku: 100,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 40,000,000,000.
I based this entire list around having normal Goku at 100,000,000 in the Buu Arc, because it's a nice round number.

Son Goten: 40,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000.
Trunks: 45,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,250,000,000.
For some reason there never was a proper flat-out 'these kids are even stronger than me' statement from either #18 or Piccolo. #18 being scared by their blast and wondering whether they could possibly have such outrageous power is the one that comes closest. Piccolo being shaken by their full powers may also qualify, but I still feel like Toriyama was totally trolling us.

Gotenks: 800,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 40,000,000,000.
Going by implications and suggestions normal Gotenks could be well ahead of even SS2 Vegeta(Babidi Power-up). While Piccolo established Gotenks couldn't beat Buu, Krillin thought he just might do it. It has been argued numerous times, that everything said about normal Gotenks' power was a joke and not to be taken too seriously, still I think Piccolo's general lack of control over Gotenks is enough to consider him at least stronger than him. I also think this makes his SS state as good as SS3 Goku, despite that dumb D7 statement implying otherwise.

Majin Buu (Fat): 7,500,000,000.
-Power-up 1: 15,000,000,000.
--Power-up 2: 30,000,000,000.
At first Gohan thought he could beat Fat Buu, if he could unleash his true power, but completely lost hope after Buu powered up for the first time. Goku and Vegeta also went from 'what a joke' to 'we can beat him, if we fight together.' He got battered by Vegeta, but he didn't try to fight back. He then gave SS3 Goku a good fight.

Mr. Buu: 30,000,000,000.
Pure Evil Buu: 50,000,000,000.
Pure Evil Buu is hard to place, so I just based it on his performance against Mr. Buu contrasted to Pure Buu's performance against Mr. Buu.

The Terrible New Majin Buu

Spoiler:

Kibito: 30,000,000.
Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000.

Kaioshin(merged): 6,060,000,000.
In this case I first added the two powers together and then mulitplied it by two.

Son Goten: 50,000,000.
Trunks: 55,000,000.

Gotenks: 1,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 50,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 100,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 400,000,000,000.

Son Gohan Ultimate Power: 500,000,000,000.

Majin Buu (evil): 300,000,000,000.
-With Super Gotenks: 700,000,000,000.
-With Gohan: 800,000,000,000.

Vegetto: 1,000,000,000,000.
-Super: 50,000,000,000,000.

As I wrote earlier, I like patterns in my power levels. In this case the gap between Gotenks' power and Majin Buu's power remained the same after their respective power-ups.

A Match with the Whole Universe at Stake

Spoiler:

East Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000.
West Kaioshin: 3,500,000,000.
North Kaioshin: 3,500,000,000.
Great Kaioshin: 5,000,000,000.
South Kaioshin: 50,000,000,000.
I imagine Buu would only had absorbed South Kaioshin, if getting overpowered, so he was decently stronger. Great Kaioshin had some crazy tricks up his sleeve like in the anime and thus Buu decided to absorb him too.

Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Mr. Buu: 30,000,000,000.
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 10,000,000,000.
Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku: 40,000,000,000.

Genkidama: 100,000,000,000.

Majin Buu (pure): 40,000,000,000.
-With South Kaioshin: 400,000,000,000.

Absorbing South Kaioshin caused Majin Buu's power to rise by a greater rate than normally just because. Like that he could've fought back against SS3 Gotenks. Absorbing the Great Kaioshin locked the bulk of his newfound power away and he was now at his weakest. Becoming Super Buu brought back most of the power he had before absorbing the Great Kaioshin, but he was still not quite there. Returning to his original state he was now powered down to a level, where Goku could match his power. He retained a decent gap on Mr. Buu.

Battle of Gods

Spoiler:

Super Saiyan Gotenks: 4,000,000,000.
Son Gohan: 5,000,000,000.
Obviously these weaklings were never remotely compareable to the more experienced fighters.

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 10,000,000,000.
-Angry: 50,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 100,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 40,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan God: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

Beerus: 1,666,666,666,700,000.

Whis: 2,500,000,000,000,000.

All of this is assuming SSG Goku was stronger than Vegetto could have been(at SS3 4,000,000x stronger than base Goku according to my multipliers). This Means the multiplier for SSGod in this battle power list would be 10,000,000*BP, which is 1,000x the multiplier I use for Vegetto.
According to Toriyama, if SSG Goku is a 6, Beerus was a 10, while Whis a 15, so the BPs match that(that's why Beerus' BP is so screwed up).

[xmysticgohanx]

Is Bardock's 10,000 only a tv special thing? If it is then what would you guys guess is Bardock's power level just by the Manga and EoB?

[RandomGuy96]

Toriyama, when asked about Bardock's battle power, stated that he never was able to ascend beyond low-class level, and if he did, he would have been promoted. So I figure he's below a typical elite like Nappa (4,000) at least. I have him at 3,000 during the events of EOB, as that makes him exactly 1000 times weaker than Goku was when he fought Freeza, and fits Toriyama's statements about him only being on the high end of the low-class tier.

[Kaboom]

I don't think Toriyama's comments HAVE to mean that Bardock was weaker than the TV special originally said he was (he's supposedly a big fan of the special, after all, so I doubt he'd purposely want to change anything in it). Just that, for some reason or another, he was never "able" to be promoted, even possibly despite his power. Which is technically all Toriyama said, and still fits with the TV special. After all, Goku's abnormally high power and pwnage of elite-rank Nappa didn't stop Vegeta from still considering him a low-class.

Maybe Bardock was never back on Planet Vegeta for King Vegeta or whoever's in charge to take notice and promote him. Maybe he rose from below 5,000 up to almost 10,000 in a very short amount of time. Maybe there was some sort of prejudice at work. Who knows. I'll admit it's a bit of a work-around, but it's better in my book than the pain in the butt of considering there to be two different alternate-universe versions of Bardock or something.

[RandomGuy96]

(he's supposedly a big fan of the special, after all, so I doubt he'd purposely want to change anything in it).

Jaco says hi. And there already are at least three alternate Bardocks:

Bardock 1: manga Bardock. Similar to Bardock 2, except probably weaker and definitely of a different age.

Bardock 2: anime Bardock. Main difference from manga Bardock, besides power, is that there's apparently a two year gap in between him and the other Bardock. His son was a newborn in the special, yet two years old in the Jaco manga.

Bardock 3: EOB Bardock. Created when Freeza's Death Ball somehow sent him back in time, which by DBU rules created an alternate timeline. He fought and killed Chilled instead of dying to Freeza, and lived for an unknown amount of time after that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think Toriyama's comments HAVE to mean that Bardock was weaker than the TV special originally said he was (he's supposedly a big fan of the special, after all, so I doubt he'd purposely want to change anything in it). Just that, for some reason or another, he was never "able" to be promoted, even possibly despite his power. Which is technically all Toriyama said, and still fits with the TV special. After all, Goku's abnormally high power and pwnage of elite-rank Nappa didn't stop Vegeta from still considering him a low-class.

The question was "what is Barodock's BP". If Bardock's BP was at mid-class or elite-class level, but he just wasn't promoted, Toriyama would have said so. Instead, he only said that Bardock is one of the strongest low-class warriors. It's very clear.

And as for Toriyama contradicting the TV Special, he said that he didn't remember many things, other than that he really liked it. Purposely or not, he has already contradicted the TV Special in various things through Jaco, BoG, and the EoB interview.

[Kaboom]

Hmmm... Somehow I knew I shouldn't have bothered saying anything.

I did forget about the Jaco thing. That's a better reason to have things differently, I suppose.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't. I think what Toriyama said is a good enough reason, but the Jaco manga does show that he clearly has no problem knocking the anime special right of continuity, so I'm not sure why the power level it gave should matter if the events themselves couldn't have happened in the manga's timeline.

[kuartus4]

What do ya'll think about these numbers:

Cell Games

SSJ Vegeta:75

Mssj Goku:100

Power up Perfect Cell(vs Goku):111.11

Mssj kid Gohan:133.33

Power up Perfect Cell(vs Gohan):150

Full Power Perfect Cell:200

Anger boosted SSJ2 kid Gohan:375

Super Perfect Cell:300

Buu Saga:

Mssj Teen Gohan:133.33

Mssj pre majin Vegeta:142.22

Mssj Goku:200

SSJ2 Teen Gohan:266.66

SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta:400

Initial Fat Buu:320


I'm not commited to these numbers. Just trying to get feedback.

[Pantalones]

I'm guessing you're going with the "Gohan didn't actually get weaker, he just lost his rage boosts" theory, since Gohan's numbers aren't actually any lower in the Buu saga than before?

But yeah... just going by how the characters relate to each other, the numbers seem to make sense. Goku and Vegeta are both stronger than the weakened Gohan in the Buu saga, but even with SSj2 (+Majin Vegeta's power-up) they aren't that far ahead of what SSj2 Gohan was capable of at the Cell Games. Fat Buu is initially weak enough that Gohan thinks he'd have a chance if he could bring out his rage again, and Vegeta doesn't think he'll be a problem until after he powers up. Everything seems to match up pretty well with the statements made in the manga so far.

Kind of wondering where you'd put Yakon and Dabura. I know Yakon seemed to be a bit much for base Goku to handle, but Gohan seemed to think that the two of them fighting together would beat him, so he shouldn't be that far above the base Saiyans (and he's obviously way below the Super Saiyans.) Dabura is a bit hard to pin down, though, since he's compared to Cell (...but which Cell?) and there's not a lot of agreement on what form Gohan was in when fighting him. I suppose if you consider Gohan to have been SSj2 in that fight you could put him close to Super Perfect Cell, or if you consider Gohan to have been just Super Saiyan he could be around the level Cell used against Gohan. Either way he ends up being a bit stronger than Gohan but would definitely lose to Goku... though those levels would make him exactly equal to "pre-Majin" Vegeta. I guess that works, though. Vegeta seemed confident that he'd be able to beat Dabura, but he usually seems that way when getting ready to fight against anyone who isn't Freeza or Broly, so that doesn't necessarily imply he's actually a lot stronger than Dabura.

[kuartus4]

I'm guessing you're going with the "Gohan didn't actually get weaker, he just lost his rage boosts" theory, since Gohan's numbers aren't actually any lower in the Buu saga than before?.

Yeah, basically.

Kind of wondering where you'd put Yakon and Dabura. I know Yakon seemed to be a bit much for base Goku to handle, but Gohan seemed to think that the two of them fighting together would beat him, so he shouldn't be that far above the base Saiyans (and he's obviously way below the Super Saiyans.) Dabura is a bit hard to pin down, though, since he's compared to Cell (...but which Cell?) and there's not a lot of agreement on what form Gohan was in when fighting him. I suppose if you consider Gohan to have been SSj2 in that fight you could put him close to Super Perfect Cell, or if you consider Gohan to have been just Super Saiyan he could be around the level Cell used against Gohan. Either way he ends up being a bit stronger than Gohan but would definitely lose to Goku... though those levels would make him exactly equal to "pre-Majin" Vegeta. I guess that works, though. Vegeta seemed confident that he'd be able to beat Dabura, but he usually seems that way when getting ready to fight against anyone who isn't Freeza or Broly, so that doesn't necessarily imply he's actually a lot stronger than Dabura.

I have Yakon 1.16666x stronger than Base Goku. I have Yakon as strong as I have 100% Frieza, at 140 million.

I have Dabra stronger than Full Power Perfect Cell. I've changed my numbers a bit. I now have

Power Up Perfect Cell:150

Full Power Perfect Cell: 200

Dabra:250

SSJ2 Teen Gohan:266.66

I also think Gohan was SSJ2 vs Dabra.

[Kaboom]

Just in case anyone's interested, I added some Dragon Ball Minus levels to my series powar levuls list, which is still linked in my signature. It's right there at the beginning. I may list additional levels from Jaco if I manage to re-read it and notice anything worth adding.

[RandomGuy96]

Bardock: 5,000

Uh.... huh...

[Toriyama has perhaps due in part to bad memory implied that his Bardock is somewhat weaker than the original one portrayed in the TV special, and didn't manage to become promoted to an elite/mid-class. But I'd find it distasteful to depower him too much, so I settled for just chopping his 10k power level from the special in half. This puts him on a level where he may have recently pushed himself up into the lower end of the elite power range, but has yet to be promoted for it. I'm comfortable with that.

He was on Vegeta for a month after, and he was far stronger than a good elite like Nappa, yet he wasn't promoted? Even though Toriyama explicitly said that Bardock never reached elite levels, but that one could if their battle power was high enough?

Kind, gentle, in need of rescue more often than Princesses Zelda but STILL stronger than Raditz!

Why? Raditz was an actual warrior, Gine was unfit for fighting and apparently was so worthless that Bardock had to save her all the time, and was better used as lunch lady.

Berry's evil great-great-great grandson � 8,000

Who?

[ZombieVito]

Might as well post mine, I still haven't read Jaco so those power levels will be at a later date:

Vegeta: 9,000

King Vegeta: 8,000

Bardock: 2,500

Gine: 1,000

Raditz: 750

Son Goku: 7

Avo: 40,000

Kado: 40,000

Freeza (3rd suppression): 530,000

[RandomGuy96]

King Vegeta should be stronger than kid Vegeta.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta said he was stronger as a brat.

[Kaboom]

Normally people bitch at me for having my power levels too low in their eyes. It's almost refreshing to be bitched at for the opposite.

Vegeta said he was stronger as a brat.

Yeah, but that doesn't technically have to mean, "before King Vegeta died." Even with Minus pushing back the date of Planet Vegeta's destruction, Vegeta would still be a "kid" for a few years after, so many opt to consider him still weaker than the King in flashbacks of this era.