Avok wrote:Totamo wrote:Avok wrote:
This is not true. The difference between the Goku portrayed in the manga and in Super is astronomical.
I disagree with that, wholeheartedly. There are instances of exaggeration, but thats not a consistent thing. Goku is the same, an idiot who is a fighting genius.
I find it weird how many justify Goku's actions back in Z but draw the line at super. I mean, Goku let Freeza go in the namek saga and gave Cell a senzu bean and there is many evidence to suggest he would have sacrificed 18 for a fight though trunks may have been able to convince him.
It is a consistent thing.
And I'm not even talking about specific moments like the ones you mentioned (that are actually well tought and completely different from what he's done in Super) but even something like his interactios with the other characters is just off. The only moment where he behave like himself was back at the exhibition match, when Gohan was fighting.
Goku was sometimes naive, but his whole character didn't revolve around that. Remember, Toriyama said that the elements of posion within him were subtle. Even so, when you look at the role of
mentor he had on the majority of the Cell and Boo arc the difference with his characterisation is Super should be evident.
I think perhaps I should have specified more.
Sure, there are instances where Goku seems really more of an "airhead" than necessary in Super. I can kinda agree with that, but not to the point where his entire being is in question.
My comment about Goku being the TRUE Goku is his attitude towards just wanting to fight strong opponents. This entire arc is bringing Goku back to that, even with the entire Universe at risk of being wiped out of existence. He cares, but not enough to really do anything more about it than he already is. Every episode is centered around his desire to fight strong guys, while his son is continuously shitting his pants over it because, at the end of the day, all of his loved ones are at risk.
Wasn't really talking about the entire Super run, more so this specific arc as that's what the original person I was quoting had a main issue with. To which they said, "He's an annoying idiot who only cares about himself most of the time." As far as that quote goes, with this specific arc (really if you want to get down to it, even RoF and the Uni 6 vs 7 arc has bits and pieces of that mentality) shows that, given the fact that his entire motivation for this is to, once again, fight strong guys.
He's not even concerned that he's looked at as a villain by the other Universes, so. That's why I refer to this Goku as the "real" Goku. That's just how I feel though.
