New Animation VS Old Animation

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

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I just showed this gif to a friend of mine who doesn't want to watch the Super until they release the Latino dub.

Anyways... he though that the original one was some sort of fanart and the corrected version was the one that was on the show. Needless to say, great job to the author of the correction.

I'm kind of disappointed with the new animation, but at the same time, I'm glad that so far I haven't seen a horrible episode like in the old days (Uchiyama).

I'm happy that the style has been consistent, but I detest the fact that sometimes it feels so lazy, also the animators seem to be very inspired with Twilight, a lot of the characters shine like they were some disgusting "vampire." Seriously, do they really think it looks good or what?

At least there are some very good shots in every episode, I hope the best for the action scenes...

I agree 100% accept with the uchiyama thing,as the old animation was better in every way.The problem with the shiny white squares an triangles is the animation is WAY to bright. With the weird (and completely un-necessary) white shines it makes everybody look like twilight vampires,or like they're sweaty...covered in grease. And the fact they look gooey and the triangles are white makes the layer of grease look like...well I'm sure you can imagine what it looks like.

Please stop doing shiney stuff with digtal coloring Toei....just leave them without a shine (like Beerus). Sometimes less is more.

[Hellspawn28]

While the animation in Super is far from great, it could have been much worst. The animation in Mars of Destruction and Variable Geo Neo both make Super look like if it was animated by Studio Ghibli.

[Doctor.]

While the animation in Super is far from great, it could have been much worst. The animation in Mars of Destruction and Variable Geo Neo both make Super look like if it was animated by Studio Ghibli.

They're more than 10 years old, dude. Not to mention that Mars of Destruction is widely regarded as one of the worst anime of all time, regardless of its animation. You need to compare Super to recent long-running anime, and in that regard it doesn't hold up, Naruto, Bleach and Hunter x Hunter had significantly better animation, and only One Piece compares, because it's made by the same studio. Recent short anime series completely destroy Super in terms of animation.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't feel a big gab between Japanese animation now and back then with TV and OVA animes expect for a few modern ones. If you put 80's and 90's Japanese animation together, you see a big difference between the two. The same with 90's and 2000's Japanese animation. I mean Super does look pretty faithful to the old 2D Budokai intros from the mid 2000's.

[Doctor.]

I don't feel a big gab between Japanese animation now and back then with TV and OVA animes expect for a few modern ones. If you put 80's and 90's Japanese animation together, you see a big difference between the two. The same with 90's and 2000's Japanese animation.

But surely you must notice the big gap between the animation of Super compared to shows like Hunter x Hunter and Fate/Stay Night. Now, granted, these are the top of it all when it comes to long and short running series respectively (and trust me, they look this great all the time), but you expect Toei Animation to at least provide such a big series with better animation, it's baaaaarely average.

[Lord Beerus]

While the animation in Super is far from great, it could have been much worst. The animation in Mars of Destruction and Variable Geo Neo both make Super look like if it was animated by Studio Ghibli.

They're more than 10 years old, dude. Not to mention that Mars of Destruction is widely regarded as one of the worst anime of all time, regardless of its animation. You need to compare Super to recent long-running anime, and in that regard it doesn't hold up, Naruto, Bleach and Hunter x Hunter had significantly better animation, and only One Piece compares, because it's made by the same studio. Recent short anime series completely destroy Super in terms of animation.

In all fairness, short anime series can afford to have better animation, because, well, they're short. The schedule would allow for better animation in comparison to long running series which pretty much has to meet a demand every week for good knows how many years. Short anime series don't have to stretch their budget per episode like a 100+ long running anime would have to.

Hunter x Hunter, in all fairness, while popular, is not the global sensation like Dragon Ball is. The animation in Super can remain average because Toei know that market will still be there for the franchise because Dragon Ball is that big of name, and it will sell well regardless. HxH doesn't/didn't have that luxury because it was a late night anime, so it doesn't have the same amount of mass audience exposure that Dragon Ball Super has. So that anime having great animation is one of, if not, the main selling point, as BD collectors in Japan will more than likely buy a show if the animation is stunning, and if the show as a whole interests them. Great/Good animation = Good/Great BD sales = $$$

[Doctor.]

Hunter x Hunter is not, but Naruto is almost as popular as Dragon Ball. It still has ways to go, but it's up there. Watch the Naruto anime or Naruto The Last, and you'll notice the animation is significantly superior. I was already expecting the animation to be average compared to short-running series, I wasn't being delusional, I was just expecting Toei to put some effort into this to at least make it as good-looking as other long-running anime.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Hunter x Hunter is not, but Naruto is almost as popular as Dragon Ball. It still has ways to go, but it's up there. Watch the Naruto anime or Naruto The Last, and you'll notice the animation is significantly superior. I was already expecting the animation to be average compared to short-running series, I wasn't being delusional, I was just expecting Toei to put some effort into this to at least make it as good-looking as other long-running anime.

Now with Super being a re adaption of BoG and Resurrection "F" I can kind of see why TOEI wouldn't put their best efforts into it, they did just animate both movies quite recently after all, I think you should adjust your expectation for the Universe 6 in where TOEI gives Super their best effort. At least that is what I tell myself to help me sleep at night . But in all fairness each episode in my opinion has looked better than the last, with perhaps the exception of episode 3(That episode was exposition central so makes sense) and episode 4 has been the best and episode 5 looks like it is going to look as good as ep 4 based of the preview.

[LonelyShadow]

I wonder, could I ever dream of an episode like the number 280 of Z in Super?

Spoiler:

Every time I think of Dragon Ball Z the first image that comes to my mind is any scene in the battle between Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku, maybe is because the episode has some of my favorite animation in the entire series, but is also because I can actually take a screenshot on anything in those scenes and use it as desktop background. Sadly, that's not the case for the new series so far, I hope the best for episode 5 and the rest of Super, I want to believe that maybe they didn't want to put any effort to the first episodes so far.

I don't hate it, I actually like the fact that it isn't a horrible mess like the Toriko and One Piece crossover, I guess that I really expected too much for a series that will last 100 episodes (so far), just put less detail into some of the character's faces and take the incredibly bright effect and I think everything will be fine, at least for me.

[Cursemark505]

While the animation in Super is far from great, it could have been much worst. The animation in Mars of Destruction and Variable Geo Neo both make Super look like if it was animated by Studio Ghibli.

They're more than 10 years old, dude. Not to mention that Mars of Destruction is widely regarded as one of the worst anime of all time, regardless of its animation. You need to compare Super to recent long-running anime, and in that regard it doesn't hold up, Naruto, Bleach and Hunter x Hunter had significantly better animation, and only One Piece compares, because it's made by the same studio. Recent short anime series completely destroy Super in terms of animation.

Hunter x Hunter is not, but Naruto is almost as popular as Dragon Ball. It still has ways to go, but it's up there. Watch the Naruto anime or Naruto The Last, and you'll notice the animation is significantly superior. I was already expecting the animation to be average compared to short-running series, I wasn't being delusional, I was just expecting Toei to put some effort into this to at least make it as good-looking as other long-running anime.

I hope you're joking. Aside from the few good animators and animation directors that have worked on the series, the art and animation in the Naruto anime is not that good. And Bleach had some shady art/animation a lot of times too.
And no, two series being made by the same studio doesn't mean they're comparable in quality. Fairy Tail and Sword art online are prime examples of that.

[Doctor.]

I didn't say it was good. I said it was better than Super.

[Cursemark505]

I didn't say it was good. I said it was better than Super.

Better? Maybe.. Significantly better? Not at all.

[Hellspawn28]

We haven't seen something close to being this awful in Super yet

[Doctor.]

A few moments in the Pain arc for over 400 episodes, I say, is a good ratio, it just sucked (literally) that it was in one of the most important fights.

[fadeddreams5]

We haven't seen something close to being this awful in Super yet

That quote goes extraordinarily well with that picture.

A few moments in the Pain arc for over 400 episodes, I say, is a good ratio, it just sucked (literally) that it was in one of the most important fights.

Still one of the best in the series. Pain was also the best villain, imo.

I don't even like Naruto that much, and that arc got me really into it. lol.

[Cursemark505]

We haven't seen something close to being this awful in Super yet

Or these

[JulieYBM]

Dragon Ball will never have an episode as well animated and directed as Naruto Shippuuden Episode #167. Toei doesn't try to pull in talented animators or any of the new kids from the web generation like Studio Pierrot likes to. Toei has a mostly rigid system that they very rarely break down and break from. Pierrot has for many years been about pushing the boundaries of hand drawn animation and allowing their young'uns run wild, it's how we got Shinbou Akiyuki, Wakabayashi Atsushi and Nishio Tetsuya to blossom on Yuu Yuu Hakusho and how Yamashita Hiroyuki, Kouda Masayuki, Sessha Gorou, Tanaka Chiyuki, Kobayashi Naoki, Yamashita Shingo and many others to all become big name animators. Naruto as a whole has been about allowing trusted veterans like Matsumoto Norio, Tsuru Toshiyuki, Nishio Tetsuya, Suzuki Hirofumi and Wakabayashi Atsushi experiment while also guiding their newer talent. Yamashita Hiroyuki especially thrived under these conditions and is now the director of Boruto: Naruto The Movie, while Kobayashi Naoki has become something of a successor of his as the franchise's main in-house action animator. Dragon Ball sort of has this going on with Hisada Kazuya, Shimanuki Masahiro and Tate Naoki, but to a lesser extent. Naruto is the perfect example of how to help train staff.

For a while One Piece was somewhat similar. Guys like Oonishi Ryou were beginning to learn from their upperclassmen like Tate Naoki, but with schedules the way they are nowadays I don't see as many new faces with exciting new ways of animating coming out of Toei Animation.

[HybridSaiyan]

I've just took a front face view of the Original Super Saiyan 3 Goku face and compared it to the new Super art style and the change is phenomenal

Original


Super


Why is it that I prefer the Original over Supers by a landslide? It just HAS that much more depth, tone and superior shading.
Super just looks flat and plastic, totally has nothing going for it at all.

[Cursemark505]

I've just took a front face view of the Original Super Saiyan 3 Goku face and compared it to the new Super art style and the change is phenomenal


Super


Why is it that I prefer the Original over Supers by a landslide? It just HAS that much more depth, tone and superior shading.
Super just looks flat and plastic, totally has nothing going for it at all.

SSJ 3 is ugly either way. Super's does indeed look flat and plastic though. The shading makes zero sense.
Where did the shine originate from? Did Toriyama do that in color spreads of the original manga?

[VintageSaiyan]

While the animation in Super is far from great, it could have been much worst. The animation in Mars of Destruction and Variable Geo Neo both make Super look like if it was animated by Studio Ghibli.

This has got to be a joke. When you're trying to tell people that Super ain't so bad by comparing it to Mars of Destruction, you know you're in trouble. And that's the plight of Dragonball today.

I didn't say it was good. I said it was better than Super.

Better? Maybe.. Significantly better? Not at all.

You've gotta be kidding. Naruto's animation across the board is significantly better than Super and the series as a whole is vastly superior, I don't know what you're watching, but Super is at the bottom of the Shounen totem pole unfortunately.