Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:32 am

Grimlock wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:20 am Speaking of the Dragon Balls, if Shenlong is indeed granting three wishes in this movie (finally they realized he can do that!), then the next saga and/or movie cannot take place before AGE 783, and that is because the balls takes a year to recharge if three wishes are granted.

Seeing as how the characters are heavily dependent on the Dragon Balls (or at least, it seems to have a demand for the Dragon Balls to be used in the movies), we are certain to have another timeskip, a year minimum, by the next saga or movie if they want to use the balls again. If they pay attention to this detail, of course.
What interests me - beyond the inconsistency in wishing - is that it implies Shénlóng can grant three wishes regardless of what one of them is. He could always grant three wishes since the Androids and Cell arc, but a powerful wish, such as reviving multiple people, would limit him to two. Toriyama recently only seemed to acknowledge these two wishes, so I'm not sure if the protagonists are doing weird wishing in the meantime - or Bulma has been habitually using the Balls to make wishes - but now Shénlóng is unlimited.
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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by Xeno Goku Black » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:10 pm

LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:27 am Considering I am not excited for this movie in any way, shape or form, and have seen enough spoilers to confirm my general lack of excitement...yeah, I'd love to have it spoiled for me already. We already know the villain, and it's a Gohan-centric film, so I am not expecting anything interesting at this point. If I could get a full on written out synopsis, I'd love it.
You have no excitement for the movie whatsoever but you would love to know exactly what happens in it.

Ok.

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Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:12 pm

Xeno Goku Black wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:10 pm
LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:27 am Considering I am not excited for this movie in any way, shape or form, and have seen enough spoilers to confirm my general lack of excitement...yeah, I'd love to have it spoiled for me already. We already know the villain, and it's a Gohan-centric film, so I am not expecting anything interesting at this point. If I could get a full on written out synopsis, I'd love it.
You have no excitement for the movie whatsoever but you would love to know exactly what happens in it.

Ok.
Pretty much. I write fanfics, so I keep up with canon now to see exactly what new concepts are introduced, and how I can best either use them or discard them. I nixed Moro from my fic the moment I realised he'd be problematic to where I am heading, but Piccolo's new form could be useful in my second fanfic, where it's still so early god ki hasn't been introduced yet. While he has a god form in my firs tfic, he could use his canon form in my second fic.

This movie, even though I don't care for it, will still be useful.
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Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:28 pm

They really just wanted to insult his 3 fans didn't they
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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by Soba Mask » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:36 pm

LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:28 pm
They really just wanted to insult his 3 fans didn't they
Yes... The movie had potential but the more we learn the more it becomes a trainwreck

1. Good old repeated Gohan story ignoring all this stuff from ToP and yeah even the bad manga... Boring
2. Piccolo a new form... Hype!!! Oh wait... He needed Shenron
3. Goten and Trunks matured!!! Cool... But let us mock them with a Fat Gotenks... Not too much hype please
4. You think the Gammas are boring? Let me introduce the Cell Max with the storyline of the worst DB movie... Bio Broly.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:49 pm

Ew, was it really necessary to include Gotenks' fat ass? So childish and immature.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Geraldo » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:56 pm

Regarding the rumor that someone is going to die by the end of the movie: My feeling is that it's going to be Fake Whis, aka Carmine. He (Akira Toriyama doesn't invest in designing original characters anymore, huh? He looks like a goofed Whis wannabe) seems to be the only true evildoer between the characters who were listed by DBSChronicles.

Dr. Hedo is probably a redeemable character due to his "super hero" costume shtick.

I do not feel like the Gammas will only last to this movie alone, unlike "Cell Max".

My gut feeling is that Carmine is either one of the survivors of the original Red Ribbon Army (who was probably a student of General Blue or something to explain his strength) or that he's related to "Android 21".

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Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:04 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:49 pm Ew, was it really necessary to include Gotenks' fat ass? So childish and immature.
This more or less is part of Dragon Ball's humour. Always has been, always will be. I'm just annoyed we don't see a proper Teen Gotenks here.
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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:07 pm

Soba Mask wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:36 pm
LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:28 pm
They really just wanted to insult his 3 fans didn't they
Yes... The movie had potential but the more we learn the more it becomes a trainwreck

1. Good old repeated Gohan story ignoring all this stuff from ToP and yeah even the bad manga... Boring
2. Piccolo a new form... Hype!!! Oh wait... He needed Shenron
3. Goten and Trunks matured!!! Cool... But let us mock them with a Fat Gotenks... Not too much hype please
4. You think the Gammas are boring? Let me introduce the Cell Max with the storyline of the worst DB movie... Bio Broly.

It's part of why I dislike it. I didn't enjoy Gohan in Super to start with, but especially not the manga, which goes out of its way to make him sound unintelligent. Piccolo's new form is interesting, but he cheated his way to it, which he's never done before, and bothers me immensely. Goten and Trunks growing up is overdue, but Gotenks was poorly delivered. Cell Max is just...stupid.

But another hilariously petty reason why I dislike it, is that this movie is a microcosm of my fanfic. Gohan has a prominent role, he has a wife that teaches martial arts, they brought Cell back, they gave Piccolo a transformation, they're largely leaving Gokū and Vegeta out of it, and giving Goten and Trunks some level of agency. It's actually remarkable how many bullet points this movie hits of my fic.
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Post by WittyUsername » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:51 pm

This is sounding more and more like a modern update of Movie 11. Interesting direction, considering how widely reviled that movie is.

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Post by Miracles » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:56 pm

Gotenks being Gagtenks. Nothing new here.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:59 pm

Do guys think they will do a retelling of the anime if the DBS anime comes back?
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Post by Cold Skin » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:34 pm

^ You mean a retelling of the movies? Absolutely, that's for sure.

Just like what they did back then, they'll want people to be able to live the whole story through the episodes alone, certainly not going "and in between, this movie happened, so go check it out to follow the details of the plot correctly and come back for the next episode afterward".

Plus, it gives them some extra content to adapt, for more episodes to order, and more money.
Also, it's a chance to develop things from the movies if they want to, not being limited by time constaints.
This in turn can lead to new details and elements and hype up some characters/settings/story points even more (like having several episodes focusing on Bardack for the Broly events), increasing sells for various products regarding expanded elements.
Besides, it further lets the manga take some distance ahead while still benefiting from having started new weekly episodes that people eagerly follow.

So when Dragon Ball Super comes back as soon as Dragon Quest is over, with the same team, animation style and time slot than Dragon Quest (not official info but just a guess), it will go like this:
- Broly retelling
- Moro
- Granola
- Super Hero retelling
- ...and other arcs to come.

Possibly inserting 3 to 5 filler episodes of extra daily adventures in between each arc as well, for even more episodes.

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Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:48 pm

Cold Skin wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:34 pm ^ You mean a retelling of the movies? Absolutely, that's for sure.

Just like what they did back then, they'll want people to be able to live the whole story through the episodes alone, certainly not going "and in between, this movie happened, so go check it out to follow the details of the plot correctly and come back for the next episode afterward".

Plus, it gives them some extra content to adapt, for more episodes to order, and more money.
Also, it's a chance to develop things from the movies if they want to, not being limited by time constaints.
This in turn can lead to new details and elements and hype up some characters/settings/story points even more (like having several episodes focusing on Bardack for the Broly events), increasing sells for various products regarding expanded elements.
Besides, it further lets the manga take some distance ahead while still benefiting from having started new weekly episodes that people eagerly follow.

So when Dragon Ball Super comes back as soon as Dragon Quest is over, with the same team, animation style and time slot than Dragon Quest (not official info but just a guess), it will go like this:
- Broly retelling
- Moro
- Granola
- Super Hero retelling
- ...and other arcs to come.

Possibly inserting 3 to 5 filler episodes of extra daily adventures in between each arc as well, for even more episodes.
You all are quire confident the anime will return. Masako Nozawa isn't immortal, and I don't ever see them recasting Gokū.
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Post by Yuji » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:58 pm

LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:48 pm
Cold Skin wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:34 pm ^ You mean a retelling of the movies? Absolutely, that's for sure.

Just like what they did back then, they'll want people to be able to live the whole story through the episodes alone, certainly not going "and in between, this movie happened, so go check it out to follow the details of the plot correctly and come back for the next episode afterward".

Plus, it gives them some extra content to adapt, for more episodes to order, and more money.
Also, it's a chance to develop things from the movies if they want to, not being limited by time constaints.
This in turn can lead to new details and elements and hype up some characters/settings/story points even more (like having several episodes focusing on Bardack for the Broly events), increasing sells for various products regarding expanded elements.
Besides, it further lets the manga take some distance ahead while still benefiting from having started new weekly episodes that people eagerly follow.

So when Dragon Ball Super comes back as soon as Dragon Quest is over, with the same team, animation style and time slot than Dragon Quest (not official info but just a guess), it will go like this:
- Broly retelling
- Moro
- Granola
- Super Hero retelling
- ...and other arcs to come.

Possibly inserting 3 to 5 filler episodes of extra daily adventures in between each arc as well, for even more episodes.
You all are quire confident the anime will return. Masako Nozawa isn't immortal, and I don't ever see them recasting Gokū.
Do you think the billionaire brand will stay dead when Nozawa dies? They'll recast her as soon as possible. Dragon Ball is a moneymaker.

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Post by Extreme_kai » Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:34 pm

Yuji wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:58 pm
LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:48 pm
Cold Skin wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:34 pm ^ You mean a retelling of the movies? Absolutely, that's for sure.

Just like what they did back then, they'll want people to be able to live the whole story through the episodes alone, certainly not going "and in between, this movie happened, so go check it out to follow the details of the plot correctly and come back for the next episode afterward".

Plus, it gives them some extra content to adapt, for more episodes to order, and more money.
Also, it's a chance to develop things from the movies if they want to, not being limited by time constaints.
This in turn can lead to new details and elements and hype up some characters/settings/story points even more (like having several episodes focusing on Bardack for the Broly events), increasing sells for various products regarding expanded elements.
Besides, it further lets the manga take some distance ahead while still benefiting from having started new weekly episodes that people eagerly follow.

So when Dragon Ball Super comes back as soon as Dragon Quest is over, with the same team, animation style and time slot than Dragon Quest (not official info but just a guess), it will go like this:
- Broly retelling
- Moro
- Granola
- Super Hero retelling
- ...and other arcs to come.

Possibly inserting 3 to 5 filler episodes of extra daily adventures in between each arc as well, for even more episodes.
You all are quire confident the anime will return. Masako Nozawa isn't immortal, and I don't ever see them recasting Gokū.
Do you think the billionaire brand will stay dead when Nozawa dies? They'll recast her as soon as possible. Dragon Ball is a moneymaker.
I agree. Nozawa is iconic but not irreplaceable. I recall seeing a Japanese man on youtube that did a pretty convincing Nozawa impression, so there are contenders.

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Post by WittyUsername » Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:53 pm

What would be the appeal in bringing back the anime if they were just going to use it to adapt a bunch of stories that are several years old at this point?

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:00 pm

LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:32 amToriyama recently only seemed to acknowledge these two wishes, so I'm not sure if the protagonists are doing weird wishing in the meantime - or Bulma has been habitually using the Balls to make wishes - but now Shénlóng is unlimited.
I don't think so. I think Shenlong had been granting one or two wishes purely because Toriyama didn't know he can grant three wishes.

As for Bulma, it was only gag scene. Goku thinks Bulma has been summoning Shenlong as she's barely aged, but it doesn't mean she has indeed summoned Shenlong in the meantime. The way Goku says it and by Bulma's reaction, you can tell that that's the case.
WittyUsername wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:53 pm What would be the appeal in bringing back the anime if they were just going to use it to adapt a bunch of stories that are several years old at this point?
Ask Dragon Ball Super.

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Post by LastationLover5000 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:04 pm

Yuji wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:58 pm
LastationLover5000 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:48 pm
Cold Skin wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:34 pm ^ You mean a retelling of the movies? Absolutely, that's for sure.

Just like what they did back then, they'll want people to be able to live the whole story through the episodes alone, certainly not going "and in between, this movie happened, so go check it out to follow the details of the plot correctly and come back for the next episode afterward".

Plus, it gives them some extra content to adapt, for more episodes to order, and more money.
Also, it's a chance to develop things from the movies if they want to, not being limited by time constaints.
This in turn can lead to new details and elements and hype up some characters/settings/story points even more (like having several episodes focusing on Bardack for the Broly events), increasing sells for various products regarding expanded elements.
Besides, it further lets the manga take some distance ahead while still benefiting from having started new weekly episodes that people eagerly follow.

So when Dragon Ball Super comes back as soon as Dragon Quest is over, with the same team, animation style and time slot than Dragon Quest (not official info but just a guess), it will go like this:
- Broly retelling
- Moro
- Granola
- Super Hero retelling
- ...and other arcs to come.

Possibly inserting 3 to 5 filler episodes of extra daily adventures in between each arc as well, for even more episodes.
You all are quire confident the anime will return. Masako Nozawa isn't immortal, and I don't ever see them recasting Gokū.
Do you think the billionaire brand will stay dead when Nozawa dies? They'll recast her as soon as possible. Dragon Ball is a moneymaker.
We'll see. I'm not quite so sure. Granted, they only make decisions based on money now, so insulting the main character is likely.
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