Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

Post by samuraix123 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:13 pm

Can anyone get in contact with Funimation(I doubt it'll do any good or they'd even answer it?) But can anyone explain why they cropped the ending more? I mean, it doesn't make sense. They fixed the Intro so you can actually see the upper parts of the characters and the tops aren't cut off but crop the ending more? Wut? :P :lol:
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The OB releases for Seasons 6-9 definitely look better than this though.
But we haven't made it to 6-9 with this release. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. :wink:
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Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:16 pm

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samuraix123 wrote:I've been reading comments here and there of people saying they like the orange bricks better and it blows my mind :lol: I never thought I'd see the day where people actually defend that garbage pile of a release(Not that this release is Super amazing!!) but it's a heck of a-lot better.
The Orange Brick releases for Seasons 6-9 look beyond better than this though.
And how do you know this release when it comes to Season 6-9 won't look beyond better too?
Because this release looks like it's going to be consistently bad. Judging by the faster-than-usual pace of release gaps between each Season this time around, and judging the second season's list of problems that weren't fix from the first (the zoomed in ending credits, for example), this looks to be like the case.
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Post by samuraix123 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:18 pm

But that's just a small example of the zoomed in ending. Go back a page or two and look at the comparisons between this release and the orange bricks and these sets win(in my opinion) every time.
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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:18 pm

Black_Anime_Fan wrote: Because this release looks like it's going to be consistently bad. Judging by the faster-than-usual pace of release gaps between each Season this time around, and judging the second season's list of problems that weren't fix from the first (the zoomed in ending credits, for example), this looks to be like the case.
The gap in the release isn't necessarily an indication of anything. I assume this was all done before they started releasing the first set.
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Post by samuraix123 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:21 pm

I've only watched an episode or two of season 1(I'm going through the original series so I haven't jumped into these sets heavily yet) But aren't the breaks in the middle of the episode fixed? because they look a-lot better on these new sets than the orange bricks. there's actually 1 somewhere on the orange bricks that look so bad it looks like someone pissed all over it lol I need to find that bad lol
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Post by samuraix123 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:25 pm

qjz123 wrote:The season blu rays look a lot better for this shot.
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This is a really good example and there was a couple more but I didn't look through it all because I'm lazy lol :P
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Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:25 pm

samuraix123 wrote:But that's just a small example of the zoomed in ending. Go back a page or two and look at the comparisons between this release and the orange bricks and these sets win(in my opinion) every time.
Is the quality difference really that big? I watched them both and I thought both corresponding releases looked quite terrible.
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Post by samuraix123 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:28 pm

Well It's hard for me to say because I haven't been going through the Blu-ray(s) yet but the screen shots that I have seen seem to look better. Now there was some scenes that looked a little Inky to me and I was like ahh :P
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I'm not saying this to attack you or anything but In my honest opinion the Dragon-boxes look much better than yours(No offense but I like the pink on the skin)
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:38 pm

Yeah, I prefer the pink look too. Probably, because pink is my favourite colour :lol:

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Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:46 pm

Mm, there's a natural pink hue to quite a lot of characters. I've always found something like this to be preferable to me:

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It's not far off what Kai did either, really.
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Post by ShinGaijin » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:07 pm

I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but I noticed that the U.S. English broadcast track on episode 4 is in mono.

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Post by SupremeSSJ » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:12 pm

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I think you missed the point I was trying to make. They 'don't care' to the same level about the footage quality, yes, but that by no means says they 'don't care' about the show itself. And again, not everything has to look 'SUPER AMAZING YAY' to be worth watching

I'm beginning to think I'm seriously the only one that grew up with a VCR and like two channels worth of crappy reruns of shows and had to deal with that for a good number of years before I even had so much as a DVD player.
I fully agree. I dealt with VHS, and DVD was a great leap forward. Quite frankly, it's all I need in terms of video quality. I'm far more interested in extras and price. We all have our preferences, but videophiles have got to stop knocking people who don't care about having the most amazing video quality ever. There are a lot of criteria people use to make purchasing decisions, and price is likely higher up on the list than HD video. That said, I just want a proper aspect ratio.

I'd also like to see more episodes per disc. The Tenshinhan saga sets had 9 episodes and that was on DVD.
Ok, but you have to look at it the other way around to. The number one reason why they brought Bluray to the public was to give them the best VQ possible with no loss in detail. If this is the case they should've put this on dvd because this is not bluray quality. People spend money on bluray to get the best video and audio possible. These sets will not be 17 bucks forever wut will you do when that happens those disc aren't cheap

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Post by Enigmo » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:13 pm

Last I remember, people were hating on the redness because apparently all it is is a result of film aging.
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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:18 pm

First, Blu-Ray is having trouble catching on as quickly as DVDs did. Second, better quality is great, but unless the price premium is small, people generally aren't gonna trade up. That's not only applicable to home video, it's a general economic fact.

Extras are also a factor. To get people to buy them, the good extras are being put on blu rays.
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Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:29 pm

Enigmo wrote: Where's this guy's warning?:
AjayLikesGaming wrote:or they have shitty taste
Why would I get a warning? That's not directed at anyone specifically. It's an indirect opinion about those who find this release acceptable. That's totally different to what you were doing.
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:50 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I think you missed the point I was trying to make. They 'don't care' to the same level about the footage quality, yes, but that by no means says they 'don't care' about the show itself. And again, not everything has to look 'SUPER AMAZING YAY' to be worth watching

I'm beginning to think I'm seriously the only one that grew up with a VCR and like two channels worth of crappy reruns of shows and had to deal with that for a good number of years before I even had so much as a DVD player.
I think that paying attention to things like audio/video quality heavily depends on your aproach to art itself. I'm not talking about the term of "video quality". It's not about "quality" for "quality", because somebody is a fan of "quality". All these technical things have one purpose: To present audiovisual footage as respective and as faithfully rethreading the original as possible. Original authors were those who decided about color palette, size, aspect ratio, contrast, sharpness and brightness. FUNimation is going completely against that. They are using blu-ray to achieve VHS quality... Despite of people's preference - it is stupid.

You are misinterpreting people's intentions. I'm not interested in HD because I'm a fan of quality and videophile. I'm interested in Dragon Ball art, that's why I want HD release. It allows to see what was invisible in SD format. I can see more detail and small imperfections. I believe that all people who have the same kind of approach to art and understands technical things think the same.

The second argument is that I didn't buy HD monitor to watch stretched SD material... That goes completely against basic logic.

As a person who is sketching Toriyama-styled drawings since I was 9 years old - I really feel offended by how this classic animation was butchered.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'm beginning to think I'm seriously the only one that grew up with a VCR and like two channels worth of crappy reruns of shows and had to deal with that for a good number of years before I even had so much as a DVD player.
You are not the only one... :)

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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:55 pm

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I think you missed the point I was trying to make. They 'don't care' to the same level about the footage quality, yes, but that by no means says they 'don't care' about the show itself. And again, not everything has to look 'SUPER AMAZING YAY' to be worth watching

I'm beginning to think I'm seriously the only one that grew up with a VCR and like two channels worth of crappy reruns of shows and had to deal with that for a good number of years before I even had so much as a DVD player.
I think that paying attention to things like audio/video quality heavily depends on your aproach to art itself. I'm not talking about the term of "video quality". It's not about "quality" for "quality", because somebody is a fan of "quality". All these technical things have one purpose: To present audiovisual footage as respective and as faithfully rethreading the original as possible. Original authors were those who decided about color palette, size, aspect ratio, contrast, sharpness and brightness. FUNimation is going completely against that. They are using blu-ray to achieve VHS quality... Despite of people's preference - it is stupid.

You are misinterpreting people's intentions. I'm not interested in HD because I'm a fan of quality and videophile. I'm interested in Dragon Ball art, that's why I want HD release. It allows to see what was invisible in SD format. I can see more detail and small imperfections. I believe that all people who have the same kind of approach to art and understands technical things think the same.

The second argument is that I didn't buy HD monitor to watch stretched SD material... That goes completely against basic logic.

As a person who is sketching Toriyama-styled drawings since I was 9 years old - I really feel offended by how this classic animation was butchered.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'm beginning to think I'm seriously the only one that grew up with a VCR and like two channels worth of crappy reruns of shows and had to deal with that for a good number of years before I even had so much as a DVD player.
You are not the only one... :)
I've seen the blu rays and the season sets, and while bad, aren't VHS quality.

The art is a means to an end, what's important isn't the colors, it's the episodes, the story. Quality is great, but there's a tradeoff between quality and cost. The great thing about technology is that over time it can make that tradeoff less costly, but cost or price is still more important to most people's Home video decisions.

As long as the video quality is better to some degree than the DVD, then I'm satisfied, but I'm more interested in things like content, disc count, extras...
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Post by Enigmo » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:04 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Why would I get a warning? That's not directed at anyone specifically. It's an indirect opinion about those who find this release acceptable. That's totally different to what you were doing.
The rules say "Your opinions must be expressed with civility." Correct me if "shitty" is considered a civil way of expressing your opinion on other people's opinions.

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AjayLikesGaming wrote:Why would I get a warning? That's not directed at anyone specifically. It's an indirect opinion about those who find this release acceptable. That's totally different to what you were doing.
The rules say "Your opinions must be expressed with civility." Correct me if "shitty" is considered a civil way of expressing your opinion on other people's opinions.
A mod can correct me if I'm wrong but I pretty sure that refers to addressing others. My use of 'shitty' might be teetering on the edge a bit but it's very different to going to someone directly - 'your opinion is shitty'.

That's what sets it apart from you directly calling people stupid or imbeciles. Either way, cut it out now. I have no interest in continuing this further. Chances are a mod is going tell put a stop to this nonsense soon regardless.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:40 pm

Kojiro Sasaki wrote:I think that paying attention to things like audio/video quality heavily depends on your aproach to art itself. I'm not talking about the term of "video quality". It's not about "quality" for "quality", because somebody is a fan of "quality". All these technical things have one purpose: To present audiovisual footage as respective and as faithfully rethreading the original as possible. Original authors were those who decided about color palette, size, aspect ratio, contrast, sharpness and brightness. FUNimation is going completely against that. They are using blu-ray to achieve VHS quality... Despite of people's preference - it is stupid.

You are misinterpreting people's intentions. I'm not interested in HD because I'm a fan of quality and videophile. I'm interested in Dragon Ball art, that's why I want HD release. It allows to see what was invisible in SD format. I can see more detail and small imperfections. I believe that all people who have the same kind of approach to art and understands technical things think the same.
If you're a fan of the original work logically you'd be buying the full colour mangas and other books with artworks by Akira Toriyama not the anime series/films which were designed by various artists.

And no, the Season BDs aren't VHS quality you're just exaggerating and for you to say that you mustn't remember what the quality looked like. The Season BDs are a low budget release so that's all there is to it, there's no point bashing it any more.

Dragon Ball Z: Season Three on Blu-ray basically costs 50 cents per episode (32 in total) which is insanely cheap and you can't get an authentic release cheaper than this.

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