"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Koitsukai]

Well, I'm hoping they are taking their sweet time to come up with what probably will be DBS' conclusion, we are like months away from the epilogue. The last big arc was too repetitive, its nature overstayed its welcome pretty fast. The previous one was all over the place, it seemed to go on forever. Both arcs could've use some trimming down.
I'd like to think they are trying to not rush anything. Probably Toyo is drawing his ass off right now.

Which is what I feel is shortcoming of this series, the story doesn't seem to flow naturally like the original series, where things lasted what they had to, while now there are so many things that have the sense of being there just to stall or extend situations a little longer.

[FortuneSSJ]

I wonder what kind of issues behind the scenes are causing the manga return to take so long. Are there issues with the estate and Toriyama’s family establishing creative control for works that continue the continuity? One would have to assume the family would be in charge of whoever replaces Toriyama as supervisor

I think its pretty much this. Without Toriyama overseeing, they may feel lost about what stories they want to tell going forward.

[Noah]

I think its pretty much this. Without Toriyama overseeing, they may feel lost about what stories they want to tell going forward.

Which is pretty sad news. I thought DB Room might be useful for a moment like this, but probably not.

[sangofe]

I wonder what kind of issues behind the scenes are causing the manga return to take so long. Are there issues with the estate and Toriyama’s family establishing creative control for works that continue the continuity? One would have to assume the family would be in charge of whoever replaces Toriyama as supervisor

I think its pretty much this. Without Toriyama overseeing, they may feel lost about what stories they want to tell going forward.

It's obviously related to the right issues going on.

[AndLad92]

Well, seems like the manga won't continue this month either, since there's no drafts out for the coming chapter yet. What a shame.. Next month it has already been half a year since the last chapter released.

[The Monkey King]

It looks like Toyotarou may have quietly stopped doing those DRAGON BALL SUPER INTERVAL SPECIAL illustrations.

Since those were supposed to bridge the gap before a new arc began... it might be a bad omen.

[Rafa Fast]

Toyotaro's silence on Twitter is also disturbing to me (he only shows up to repost some official DB account posts and JUMP), if something is happening behind the scenes, then he may not be allowed to talk about it, he at least keeps making those illustrations for the official DB site.

But they giving no word about why the Interval illustrations stopped is more bad news, this definitely goes much beyond than just them having no idea of how to continue the story, and the Capsule Corp Tokyo x Shueisha thing could very well be related.

I wonder now...is there any chance of them firing him? Or the fact that Toriyama chose him to do the manga gave him an armor? (I don't want them to fire him, I'm just curious)

[JulieYBM]

Toyo-tarou wouldn't have the authority to just say whatever. He's at the behest of the rights holders and probably has nothing he is able to talk about anyway.

Unless he's off drawing something under a new pen name he's probably just enjoying the vacation as much as he can.

[FortuneSSJ]

Firing Toyotaro would be lame move for me, since I want to see him working together with Shueisha/Toei in creating new stories.
I don't trust Shueisha/Toei to go ahead alone and the same is valid for Toyotaro. Both helping each other is the best scenario.

New illustration from him in this month V-Jump:



I miss the manga so much. Hiatus will continue next month.

[Yuji]

That's a nice contrast between the chibi proportions and the unusually detailed hands and musculature on Jackie Chun that Toyo is (in)famous for.

[Jack Bz]

I really do miss the monthly manga releases, the discussions here with people like Cipher, Ponta, Baggins etc.

This manga gave me the most genuine feeling that the story of Dragon Ball was truly continuing over any other product since the original manga ended. I'll be truly sad if this is just its unceremonious end.

I remember for years thinking that the Super anime was going to come back any day now only to be mistaken, and I'm feeling deja vu here.

God damn every now and then it still hurts to think Toriyama is just gone forever.

[Trouser]

I think Super should end definitely with few chapters covering EoZ with cameos such as Beerus, Jaco, Tights (and Granolah if he's alive) and maybe even Future Trunks and Mai visiting their old pals. A simple ending.

There's no point in continuing the main story without Toriyama. There's literally no one who could replace him and tell stories in this universe fans would go crazy about. Because let's be real, Super wasn't that good, but it was treated better because of Toriyama's involvment.

Toyotarou should've jump out of his master's shadow and create his own manga, something new, something fresh, something that would be only his.

[sangofe]

I think Super should end definitely with few chapters covering EoZ with cameos such as Beerus, Jaco, Tights (and Granolah if he's alive) and maybe even Future Trunks and Mai visiting their old pals. A simple ending.

There's no point in continuing the main story without Toriyama. There's literally no one who could replace him and tell stories in this universe fans would go crazy about. Because let's be real, Super wasn't that good, but it was treated better because of Toriyama's involvment.

Toyotarou should've jump out of his master's shadow and create his own manga, something new, something fresh, something that would be only his.

I will pray this doesn't happen.

[Zephyr]

I think Super should end definitely with few chapters covering EoZ with cameos such as Beerus, Jaco, Tights (and Granolah if he's alive) and maybe even Future Trunks and Mai visiting their old pals. A simple ending.

There's no point in continuing the main story without Toriyama.

Honestly, I wouldn't really want to see them do EoZ without Toriyama either.

[Yuji]

I think Super should end definitely with few chapters covering EoZ with cameos such as Beerus, Jaco, Tights (and Granolah if he's alive) and maybe even Future Trunks and Mai visiting their old pals. A simple ending.

There's no point in continuing the main story without Toriyama.

Honestly, I wouldn't really want to see them do EoZ without Toriyama either.

I'm sure they have tons of scrapped ideas and notes leftover from Toriyama. I wonder how long they'll release new stuff under the guise of being unreleased Toriyama ideas.

[Vegard Aune]

With how the Granolah arc was basically just all buildup for Black Freeza, and how much time passed between the reveal of said Black Freeza and Toriyama's unfortunate death, I strongly doubt he and Toyotaro won't have come to at least some general idea of what they were going to do there. Like, I know Toriyama was never one to plan much... But the dude had been building up to some sort of rematch with Freeza ever since the Tournament of Power. Every story he was involved with since then either directly involved Freeza or went out of its way to go "Remember kids, Freeza is still out there and he is continuing to plot his revenge!"
Well, I guess Freeza's continued presence was little more than a footnote in the Moro arc. But Broly? Orchestrated by Freeza. Super Hero? Reveals that Broly is now hiding on Beerus's homeworld specifically to avoid Freeza. Granolah? Literally every single antagonist in that arc is motivated by trying to defeat Freeza, who shows up in person at the end just to show everyone how hopelessly outmatched they are.

[Koitsukai]

With how the Granolah arc was basically just all buildup for Black Freeza, and how much time passed between the reveal of said Black Freeza and Toriyama's unfortunate death, I strongly doubt he and Toyotaro won't have come to at least some general idea of what they were going to do there. Like, I know Toriyama was never one to plan much... But the dude had been building up to some sort of rematch with Freeza ever since the Tournament of Power. Every story he was involved with since then either directly involved Freeza or went out of its way to go "Remember kids, Freeza is still out there and he is continuing to plot his revenge!"
Well, I guess Freeza's continued presence was little more than a footnote in the Moro arc. But Broly? Orchestrated by Freeza. Super Hero? Reveals that Broly is now hiding on Beerus's homeworld specifically to avoid Freeza. Granolah? Literally every single antagonist in that arc is motivated by trying to defeat Freeza, who shows up in person at the end just to show everyone how hopelessly outmatched they are.

On top of that, there was a two or three-month hiatus after Granny arc, then a three-month movie prequel arc, then the movie retelling, and now it's been almost a 6 months hiatus since Toriyama passed away.
If I'm not mistaken, Toriyama-sama's worsening health was well-known within the staff's inner circle, so that plus the many months of hiatus and side-stories, makes it difficult for me to believe there is not at least a draft of how the Freeza or the journey to EoZ is supposed to play out.

We've been told that Toriyama used to shoot-out a few bullet points and Toyo fleshed the story out. If my assumption from above is mistaken, then Toriyama was more important than originally thought, and his demise really threw a wrench into the works.

Black Freeza is a thing since August or September of 2022... two years ago, them not having some general idea of how to move forward sounds extremely unlikely to me.

[Yuji]

I'm not sure about the manga, but if Toei and Shueisha can come to an understanding regarding the rights issue, I'm sure they can squeeze out adaptations for the Moro and Granolah arcs that will last a few years, be it as movies or an anime.

[JulieYBM]

I'm loath to think like a producer, but I'm curious if Iyoku would push to have these two manga arcs adapted as films in the same way Kimetsu no Yaiba and other more recent anime have adapted arcs as films and then split them up into television seasons.

[Xeogran]

I'm loath to think like a producer, but I'm curious if Iyoku would push to have these two manga arcs adapted as films in the same way Kimetsu no Yaiba and other more recent anime have adapted arcs as films and then split them up into television seasons.

I'd rather it have episodic because Moro arc has plenty of in-between planet traveling and it would all be very rushed in a single 1 hour 30 min movie. The arc would be better expanded on and not cut short.