Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Except this Buu can pretty much mop the floor with Vegetto's face.

Whoa, really? I hope there's going to be a Broly vs. Boo fight.

[DNA]

Except this Buu can pretty much mop the floor with Vegetto's face.

Whoa, really? I hope there's going to be a Broly vs. Boo fight.

Well... yeah, he already stated that during the fight, he reckons Vegetto is not strong enough to defeat him, it's not like I'm spoiling or anything. Although he is going to say it to Vegetto's face in the next few pages. I hope there aren't any more fights involving this Broly, if they had made him more interesting, yes, but this is just movie 10 Broly basically. Yawn.

[Senzu_Bean]

What if Boo turned Broli to candy?!

I wonder if this Broly would be able to continue fighting and such in candy like Vegetto did.

[Freeza Heika]

What if Boo turned Broli to candy?!

I wonder if this Broly would be able to continue fighting and such in candy like Vegetto did.

I think that Vegetto was only able to do that because of his skill and presence of mind, and considering Broly is a blithering fool, I doubt he has the will power to do that.

[Sshadow5001]

Didn't Broly turn into his regular form after Vegetto's Final Dragon Flash?

I think if Buu absorbed him in that form it'd be ok because Broly goes psycho to transform and Buu is too intelligent now after absorbing all those people to unlock a LSSJ state.

That's my guess, anyway.

[Kaboom]

Didn't Broly turn into his regular form after Vegetto's Final Dragon Flash?

He was supposed to, but they decided to change it.

[Godo]

Let's say that Goku's power is 1,000 and Vegeta's power is 1,000 in base. These are no actual numbers, only ones to try to explain the point that I will come to soon.

1) When they fuse into Vegetto, their power gets multiplied: 1,000 x 1,000 = 100,000.
2) Vegetto goes SSJ, and his power is now 100,000 x 50 = 50,000,000. This was enough to defeat Gohan Buu.
3) If he goes SSJ2, his power is now 50,000,000 x 2 = 100,000,000.
4) If he goes SSJ3, his power is 100,000,000 x 4 = 400,000,000.

Let's compare this to Goku's SSJ 3 power: 1,000 x 50 x 2 x 4 = 400,000 , which was enough to chew on fat Buu.

Then we have Super Buu that was an issue for Goku to defeat, he even told Vegeta that.
Super Buu absorbs Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan and is probably now around 25,000,000 since Vegetto totally owns him in every way.

Let's for simplicity's sake say that this Vegetto didn't become stronger.
Who and what did this Ultimate Buu absorb to have this much of a power leap? We can assume that Super Buu's power increases with addition, right?

I know that I am looking too much into this, and that Toriyama didn't think much about the power leaps in the Buu Arc (and neither did Salagir et. al. obviosly, since they added Broly into the mix. *Barfs*).
But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

Thoughts?

[Senzu_Bean]

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

[DNA]

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

It is indeed strange... If we assume he absorbed every known power at that time, it would be Goku, Vegeta, Tenshinhan and Kibitoshin, possibly old man Kaioshin and Dende just for the heck of it. Now unless he went around the universe or/and to afterlife to absorb more powerful warriors...

[rereboy]

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That`s all good and well but remember that the Genki Dama that killed Kid Buu, who was at least as strong as SSJ 3 Goku, was composed mostly by the power of the Earthlings. And that`s just one planet with an average power level of 5 or 10.

Imagine if Buu found a dozen planets which inhabitants had an average power level of a few hundreds and they existed by the billions, just like Earth, and he decided to absorb them all or most of them. Add that to some training and...

Also, remember that, even before considering other planets, this buu absorbed Goku and Vegeta. So, even before going after the universe, this Buu is Gohan Buu plus Goku and Vegeta (according to Salagir, in the universe of this Buu, Goku and Vegeta failed to rescue everyone that had been absorbed by Buu. Vegetto let himself be absorbed, the magic ended the fusion after Vegetto removed his protection barrier, but Goku and Vegeta failed to rescue anyone because Buu managed to stop them, and then they were also absorbed. In the Vegetto universe, Vegetto simply never took down his protection barrier, rescued everyone, and destroyed Buu).



Anyway, change of topic. Salagir has commented on page 230 of the manga that the next chapter will also be a special chapter and that it will be a retelling of Brolly`s second coming.

My personal comment: F#ck.

He also added that there are at least 10 special chapters being drawn at the moment.

I actually don`t mind the special chapters... But I`m pretty sure all of them are more interesting than this one regarding Brolly`s second coming.

[Senzu_Bean]

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

It is indeed strange... If we assume he absorbed every known power at that time, it would be Goku, Vegeta, Tenshinhan and Kibitoshin, possibly old man Kaioshin and Dende just for the heck of it. Now unless he went around the universe or/and to afterlife to absorb more powerful warriors...

The Otherworld is a nice possibility but again I don't see anyone up there with that much power. Or maybe he went into the Demon Realm and absorbed some demons and Makaioshin? And Buu probably didn't absorbed Kaios and Kaioshins since they aren't good for him.

I actually don`t mind the special chapters... But I`m pretty sure all of them are more interesting than this one regarding Brolly`s second coming.

I'm actually looking forward to it considering the special is going to be very, very different from the movie.

And I hope one of those ten specials is universe 9.

[Xyex]

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

See, this right here is why you're having trouble figuring this out. You're looking at "He absorbed a few strong people" instead of the actual "He absorbed a LOT of people" in which strength matters little. I'm gonna do like Godo did and right up a level comparison here to explain. We'll put Goku and Vegeta at 100.

Buu Saga:
Vegetto - 2,000
SSJ Vegetto - 100,000
Super Buu (3) - 75,000
Kid Buu - 15,000

So, Vegetto trains over the next 20 years and we end up with:
Vegetto - 8,000
SSJ Vegetto - 400,000
SSJ2 Vegetto - 800,000
SSJ3 Vegetto - 3,200,000

Buu, on the other hand, goes around absorbing the universe.
Super Buu (75,000) + The population of a planet like Earth = 110,000.
Super Buu (110,000) + The population of a planet like Namek = 170,000.
Super Buu (170,000) + The population of a planet like Planet Vegeta (if it still existed) = 425,000.

And that's just three planets, one sucky one, one decent one, and one good one.

Super Buu (425,000) + The rest of the North Galaxy = 4,000,000.

[Freeza Heika]

I know that I am looking too much into this, and that Toriyama didn't think much about the power leaps in the Buu Arc (and neither did Salagir et. al. obviosly, since they added Broly into the mix. *Barfs*).
But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

Perhaps, Boo absorbed his Universe's Broly. Within the DBM canon, this would allow for his power to increase over time. The effect of Broly's, ever-increasing strength could be amplified in some way by Boo's or another person's that he has absorbed abilities. Or it could not be amplified and he is simply referring to his immortality in conjunction with his sizable battle power.

[Senzu_Bean]

^ Broly is dead in Zen Buu's universe.

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

See, this right here is why you're having trouble figuring this out. You're looking at "He absorbed a few strong people" instead of the actual "He absorbed a LOT of people" in which strength matters little.

You're probably right. It goes along with what Buu himself said to Goku. Everything with power in his universe was absorbed by him.

[Godo]

Perhaps, Boo absorbed his Universe's Broly. Within the DBM canon, this would allow for his power to increase over time. The effect of Broly's, ever-increasing strength could be amplified in some way by Boo's or another person's that he has absorbed abilities. Or it could not be amplified and he is simply referring to his immortality in conjunction with his sizable battle power.

But it seems like he didn't know much of Broly beforehand. There wasn't any "ah, it's the guy I absorbed once" moment with Ultimate Buu. It's more like "that guy has an enormous amount of power that keeps rising, I need to absorb him when no one is looking!".

That`s all good and well but remember that the Genki Dama that killed Kid Buu, who was at least as strong as SSJ 3 Goku, was composed mostly by the power of the Earthlings. And that`s just one planet with an average power level of 5 or 10.

Kid Buu wasn't even in Super Gohan Buu's leauge. Cell himself absorbed several cities, and even though his power went up quite a bit, that power won't matter much for Super Gohan Buu, since we are speaking about fractions here.
The Genki Dama that destroyed Kid Buu was more likely only a fifth of Super Gohan Buu's power.

Imagine if Buu found a dozen planets which inhabitants had an average power level of a few hundreds and they existed by the billions, just like Earth, and he decided to absorb them all or most of them. Add that to some training and...

As far as I can tell, Buu can't get stronger by training. That's why he was built to absorb fighters.
And I seriously doubt that he went from planet to planet and absorbed people after people.

Also, remember that, even before considering other planets, this buu absorbed Goku and Vegeta. So, even before going after the universe, this Buu is Gohan Buu plus Goku and Vegeta (according to Salagir, in the universe of this Buu, Goku and Vegeta failed to rescue everyone that had been absorbed by Buu. Vegetto let himself be absorbed, the magic ended the fusion after Vegetto removed his protection barrier, but Goku and Vegeta failed to rescue anyone because Buu managed to stop them, and then they were also absorbed. In the Vegetto universe, Vegetto simply never took down his protection barrier, rescued everyone, and destroyed Buu).

But Goku and Vegeta are nothing, really. Their SSJ2 and SSJ3 levels wouldn't keep up forever, just like Gotenks' fusion. Buu would lose power all the time, instead of gaining it.
I bet that he absorbed the two of them in base, knocked out.

But still, Ultimate Buu must have absorbed almost every life form in the Universe to be able to become strong enough to defeat SSJ Vegetto.

SSJ Vegetto? This Majin Buu, Zen Buu, can kick SSJ3 Vegetto's ass like nothing. I don't really know who the hell he could merged with to become this strong, since pretty much every powerful fighter is from Earth. Maybe if he absorbed Goku while this was in SSJ3 and Vegeta in SSJ2 it might give him a tremendous boost but still... and Kibitoshin.

I meant SSJ3 Vegetto, sorry. But yeah, I agree with you.

And I agree with Xyex fully.

To add, I wasn't off topic, I am trying to find out how Ultimate Buu can be so strong in DB:M.

[rereboy]

The left text in the second panel has errors in the translation.

It should read "relative velocity" or "relative speed" instead of "instant transmission".

You just have to check the other translations and the French version to spot the mistake.

[Big Momma]

OH SNAP!


Someone's 'bout to get beat down!


And Brolly's in the corner like:


"Are ya'll boys gonna start fightin' over little ol' me?"

[Senzu_Bean]

The left text in the second panel has errors in the translation.

It should read "relative velocity" or "relative speed" instead of "instant transmission".

You just have to check the other translations and the French version to spot the mistake.

And what does that mean?

[rereboy]

It means that if two or more bodies go exactly at the same speed, from each other point of view, its like they are standing still.

The effect is really apparent if no other visual elements are present to determine at which speed they are going.

Kind of like two cars going at 100 Km or miles per hour in the dark, and the only thing they can see is each other.

[Senzu_Bean]

You mean the correct, scientific term?

I asked because I thought they threw those words just in there without even thinking. DBM creators are really trying to put science in Dragonball. It is the second time now.