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by DNA » Sun May 23, 2010 4:57 am
Maphisto86 wrote:In the case of Dai Kaioshin, it may have been because as the leader of the group of god's his goodness cancelled out much of Buu's evil power. Just a theory though
Theory? I thought that was stated in the series. I might be wrong though.
And by the way, on page 131 Buu states that he has Kibitoshins teleportation, which means he absorbed him. Remember, Kibitoshin is in no way as good or as powerful as Dai Kaioshin.
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by Puto » Sun May 23, 2010 6:43 am
Wait a minute here. How can he have absorbed Kibitoshin? Doesn't being inside Boo's body split up Potara fusions? In which case he should have the unfused Kaioshin and Kibito inside of him, and not Kibitoshin?
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by rereboy » Sun May 23, 2010 7:07 am
Puto wrote:Wait a minute here. How can he have absorbed Kibitoshin? Doesn't being inside Boo's body split up Potara fusions? In which case he should have the unfused Kaioshin and Kibito inside of him, and not Kibitoshin?
Even if he split into two inside Buu, Buu would still have that teleportation, since the teleportation wasn`t exclusive to the fused form.
Buu probably doesn`t even realize he split into two when he was absorbed because that should have happened immediately, unlike Gotenks, so he didn`t notice the power difference.
And even if he realized it, it still makes sense to refer to Kibitoshin because he gained the ability by absorbing him, even if he did split into two inside him.
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by Senzu_Bean » Sun May 23, 2010 9:16 am
Salagir stated it isn't certain if Majin Buu absorbed Kibitoshin.
He probably didn't cause Kaioshins aren't compatible with Majin Buu. Plus he can simple watch the technique to be able to mimic it.
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by Bussani » Sun May 23, 2010 9:41 am
Senzu_Bean wrote:He probably didn't cause Kaioshins aren't compatible with Majin Buu.
Absorbing South Kaioshin seemed to work pretty well, as far as we know.
Plus he can simple watch the technique to be able to mimic it.
That is true.
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by Senzu_Bean » Sun May 23, 2010 9:47 am
Bussani wrote:Senzu_Bean wrote:He probably didn't cause Kaioshins aren't compatible with Majin Buu.
Absorbing South Kaioshin seemed to work pretty well, as far as we know.
I know different but it doesn't really matter for this thread. And their energy couldn't be used to revive Buu too.
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by DNA » Sun May 23, 2010 10:11 am
Senzu_Bean wrote:Bussani wrote:Senzu_Bean wrote:He probably didn't cause Kaioshins aren't compatible with Majin Buu.
Absorbing South Kaioshin seemed to work pretty well, as far as we know.
I know different but it doesn't really matter for this thread. And their energy couldn't be used to revive Buu too.
Please, do elaborate.
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by Bussani » Sun May 23, 2010 11:05 am
DNA wrote:Please, do elaborate.
That probably comes from Dabura's line. Something like, "We can't use energy from Kaioshin or Kibito, but the other three have great potential." I don't think it ever specifies why they can't use their energy.
Senzu_Bean wrote:I know different but it doesn't really matter for this thread.
Is it that theory from that one line about souls taming Buu? The theory that conveniently ignores all the lines before that one?
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by DNA » Sun May 23, 2010 11:26 am
Yeah 'cuz... he clearly absorbed South Kaioshin with no drawbacks at all. The only one who proved to be a problem was Dai Kaioshin, for obvious and previously stated reasons.
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by Zephyr » Sun May 23, 2010 12:21 pm
Bussani wrote:That probably comes from Dabura's line. Something like, "We can't use energy from Kaioshin or Kibito, but the other three have great potential." I don't think it ever specifies why they can't use their energy.
Its possible that they were just too weak to have any significant effect on the revival.
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by Dayspring » Sun May 23, 2010 12:57 pm
Zephyr wrote:Bussani wrote:That probably comes from Dabura's line. Something like, "We can't use energy from Kaioshin or Kibito, but the other three have great potential." I don't think it ever specifies why they can't use their energy.
Its possible that they were just too weak to have any significant effect on the revival.
This. Babidi is after Kiri energy, which is emitted by the body. In other words, Kiri is a purely physical energy. So for example, if phyisical BP were directly proportional to Kiri (it's not, just for the sake of argument), then when Goku had a BP (spirit+body) of 90,000, his Kiri was only 23,000 (or 24,000? Whatever Ginyu in Goku was equal to).
Sure in regards to ki manipulation Kaioshin's signifcantly stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, but from a purely physical standpoint, he's weaker than SSJ Gohan (as seen by how Gohan removed the Z-Sword). If it takes the Kiri output of three SSJ2s, Dabura, Yakon and PuiPui to release Boo, just using two people weaker than a single SSJ won't cut it.
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by Senzu_Bean » Sun May 23, 2010 1:06 pm
Dayspring, I don't have a clue where do you get such thing (I don't even wanna know!) but that doesn't make any sense.
Battle power and Kiri are ways to measure someone's Ki. Period!
DNA wrote:Please, do elaborate.
To start a huge debate that has been done hundred times? No!
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by Dayspring » Sun May 23, 2010 1:24 pm
Senzu_Bean wrote:Dayspring, I don't have a clue where do you get such thing (I don't even wanna know!) but that doesn't make any sense.
Battle power and Kiri are ways to measure someone's Ki. Period!
Battle Power was never a means of measuring someone's ki. It was a means of measuring one's fighting strength. Hence the name, and why manipulating one's ki threw the scouters out of whack. That, and the fact that when Goku's soul isn't in his body anymore, it only emits a BP of 23,000. If it was just a matter of Ki, Ginyu wouldn't be so stupid as to just depend solely on non-Ki strength in hopes of having a higher Ki reading.
The manga and daizenshuu refer to Kiri as energy. If you want to claim Kiri is a unit of measurement of Ki energy, fine. But it's still energy nevertheless, as proven by the fact that it's stolen from people and dumped in an energy collector that uses the same measurement system Kiri readers use. Since it's at its highest when people have massive auras and can only be collected when they're being hit by someone, added to the fact that Kaioshin Ki doesn't work ''just because'', I see this as being Ki in relation to the body, only.
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by Senzu_Bean » Sun May 23, 2010 1:40 pm
気
Ki
The comprehensive power an individual has, like Battle Power, life force, and the like. Used primarily with a nuance that indicates Battle Power, you could say that the higher a person's ki is, the stronger they are. A boosted ki emanates from the body like an aura. It cannot be seen by eyes, but proficient warriors are able feel it.
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by JulieYBM » Sun May 23, 2010 2:04 pm
A confrontation, but will it lead to a clash?!
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by Scarz » Sun May 23, 2010 2:14 pm
Oh snap, shit is about to get reeaaalll!
But seriously, Buu has point. What could Vegetto possible do him at this state? I wonder who's responsible for leaving without taking and sensu beans? The Goku or Vegeta side of Vegetto?
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by jjgp1112 » Sun May 23, 2010 3:25 pm
Vegetto's so awesome he can breathe in space.
EDIT: Crap, didn't realize he was holding his breath
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by Big Momma » Sun May 23, 2010 3:25 pm
He's been holding his breath?!

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by goku the krump dancer » Sun May 23, 2010 3:53 pm
Big Momma wrote:He's been holding his breath?!

Yes Salagir said that, even though they have their mouth open they are talking with telepathy and that Vegetto is holding his breath. But what Buu said does not justify that he is stronger again thats probably just him being cocky.
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by Xyex » Sun May 23, 2010 3:54 pm
Haha, wow. I hadn't noticed he was using telepathy until Buu said about holding his breath. XD
Buu's wrong, though. Vegetto's in perfect shape. He took a Senzu from Piccolo before heading out.
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