Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[Ajay]

Kai definitely looks better than the season blu rays but no matter how much you bump up the sharpness your not going to get back the detail lost here http://i.minus.com/iSSQDYkWwmJ54.png on Kame house. Now that's not to say Kai is all bad you do get much better dark details.

Absolutely. I guess 'perfect' is more hyperbole on my part. I mean that it takes that mildly 'out of focus' look into something that looks crisp and not artificial.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Hell only knows how raw 16 mm scan would look compared to Kai... This blurriness is caused by idiotic DVNR and/or other moronic filters they are using.

I completely didn't notice that my last sentence was more related to Kai than season sets. Of course, I mean bluriness on season sets! If they would do Level sets like restoration, I think that 16 mm footage could be compared to Kai shot, due to the fact that Kai is not perfect. That's what I meant. I'm talking with three people using 2 different languages, writing two posts and doing audio tracks at the same time - I'm going crazy

I do not like how Kai looks, but I wouldn't call the team or methods they used "idiotic" or "moronic"

[Fizzer]

The best possible video we could get would be the colour correction applied to Kai but everything else like it was done for the Levels. I don't think that will ever happen. If Toei do a HD remaster, I think it'll be DNR'd like Kai.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

The best possible video we could get would be the colour correction applied to Kai but everything else like it was done for the Levels. I don't think that will ever happen. If Toei do a HD remaster, I think it'll be DNR'd like Kai.

Hmm...

1. Dragon Ball Kai: http://imageshack.us/a/img11/4669/hiuc.png
2. Dragon Ball Z: http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7803/u6vr.png

Don't you think that saturation looks bad in Kai?

[Ajay]

If they handled it in the same way Fist of the North Star was handled then I think I'd be happy.

I seem to remember Kei posting screenshots from that release and it looked very nice. It wasn't too dissimilar from Kai, it was just a lot sharper and with a far milder DNR process applied.



Yes, it's DVD res but you get the idea.

[kidglov3s]

I did some digging...



Digibeta to DVD = Blu-ray. These Blu-rays have the practical resolution of Digibeta. Though the Digibeta seems a little less blurry.

[Enigmo]

Sorry.... though this has its faults, I'm as close to a decent release of DBZ as you're going to get to :/

[eledoremassis02]

Here's the full screenshot from the single

[Fizzer]

The best possible video we could get would be the colour correction applied to Kai but everything else like it was done for the Levels. I don't think that will ever happen. If Toei do a HD remaster, I think it'll be DNR'd like Kai.

Hmm...

1. Dragon Ball Kai: http://imageshack.us/a/img11/4669/hiuc.png
2. Dragon Ball Z: http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7803/u6vr.png

Don't you think that saturation looks bad in Kai?

Hmmm, yeah. In general, the Levels colours actually look nicer, but the Levels have crushed blacks which Kai doesn't.

[Enigmo]

And the level sets aren't so great. They're not nearly as detail-showing as you think they are. The blacks are crushed; the grain looks fake; the image behind all that grain isn't even incredibly sharp......the only good thing was the amount of image it showed and the colours looked good.

[eledoremassis02]

And the level sets aren't so great. They're not nearly as detail-showing as you think they are. The blacks are crushed; the grain looks fake; the image behind all that grain isn't even incredibly sharp......the only good thing was the amount of image it showed and the colours looked good.

I'll have to check again but I think the reason the grain looked fake is because they tried to remove a small amount of it. I don't recall the image not being sharp though. lol

[RocktheDragon]

Really, those comparisons just remind me how orgasmic the Levels look.

Pretty much. I know the level sets weren't a perfect release, far from it, but they were much much better than the current BD series we're getting at the moment. And I even enjoy the grain in the level sets over scrubbing it over completely in what we have at the moment.

[kidglov3s]

I found (more of) Bulma's face, but I had to party like it's 1999.

[eledoremassis02]

I have ginyu/Freeza singles if you need more (I love comparisons) it's amazing how different the colors can look!

[Gyt Kaliba]

I found (more of) Bulma's face, but I had to party like it's 1999.

...And, while I hate to say this, since I know a lot are going to take it the wrong way...but I think that shot on the Bluray looks better. Much less pixel-y.

Granted I'm sure it looks better still on the Dragon Box.

[kidglov3s]

I have ginyu/Freeza singles if you need more (I love comparisons) it's amazing how different the colors can look!

I have the Pioneer DVDs and Double Cross which I think covers this whole set. Detailwise, I find it remarkable how similar these releases are. Cropped to just Bulma's face:

I found (more of) Bulma's face, but I had to party like it's 1999.

...And, while I hate to say this, since I know a lot are going to take it the wrong way...but I think that shot on the Bluray looks better. Much less pixel-y.

Granted I'm sure it looks better still on the Dragon Box.

Detailwise no way in hell should Blu-ray be going tit for tat with digibeta to first generation DVD, while being blurrier. The shocking thing is that these are at all similar, any 2014 Blu-ray should absolutely wipe the floor with Digibeta to 1999 DVD, not be neck and neck. Again this is purely in terms of detail.

[sumpter360]

The best possible video we could get would be the colour correction applied to Kai but everything else like it was done for the Levels. I don't think that will ever happen. If Toei do a HD remaster, I think it'll be DNR'd like Kai.

Hmm...

1. Dragon Ball Kai: http://imageshack.us/a/img11/4669/hiuc.png
2. Dragon Ball Z: http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7803/u6vr.png

Don't you think that saturation looks bad in Kai?

While the idea of having colors as close to "original" as possible is great, I'd take sharp image over "correct" colors any day. So much softening just doesn't feel like High Definition to me. If I want terribly soft, I'll just watch a DVD on an HDTV.

[Metalwario64]

I found (more of) Bulma's face, but I had to party like it's 1999.

...And, while I hate to say this, since I know a lot are going to take it the wrong way...but I think that shot on the Bluray looks better. Much less pixel-y.

Granted I'm sure it looks better still on the Dragon Box.

Of course. The old singles were crappy, fuzzy digibetas.

Even still, I prefer the old digibeta footage because it's 4x3 and not tampered with like these new sets.

If I want terribly soft, I'll just watch a DVD on an HDTV.

Even if I had a Blu-ray player, I'd still just get the Kai DVDs because I don't see the point in paying $10 extra a set just for a very slight increase in clarity. Kai looks great for SD, but in HD it's so blurry that it looks like an upscale (but even then it's much better than these new Z Blu-rays).

[eledoremassis02]

I found (more of) Bulma's face, but I had to party like it's 1999.

...And, while I hate to say this, since I know a lot are going to take it the wrong way...but I think that shot on the Bluray looks better. Much less pixel-y.

Granted I'm sure it looks better still on the Dragon Box.

Of course. The old singles were crappy, fuzzy digibetas.

Even still, I prefer the old digibeta footage because it's 4x3 and not tampered with like these new sets.

I dont think they looked bad at all.

[Enigmo]

Regarding the comments about Kai being too blurry..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhZ8PeY8gqA It can get a sharp image without having a train-wreck of grain over it, like the level sets do. It was actually remastered properly. The blurring wasn't even a part of the DNR process. Toei just thought it'd be fun to blur it up. But the actual remastering process is far superior to what FUNi are capable of doing.