"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Basako]

What's keeping me invested is that the "fake leaks" accurately named 97 and 98 (no title but still). Like that tells me something.

It's been said here the guy could have guessed that title because it's a change of season and new ending song, so looks like a good point to start the tournament. It's still rare.

The differences in the staff members make the leaks non believable, but some of the coincidences were considerable, like the guy leaking exactly five episodes, when normally less are revealed. Yamcha's voice actor's tweet was pointing in that direction too and that wasn't fake.

Your videos are nice, maybe this one had to be told more clearly that the information wasn't definitive, which you did in some degree. But, whatever, you go on with your work, because it's mostly fine.

[Psykomatik]

As for the leaked thing, the staff-list is completely wrong...
I made the count, and only 3,5 out of the 20 staff listed are correct, and 2 of them were already confirmed by Yoshitaka Toshio three weeks ago.

The leaks got:
- Scenarist Yoshitaka Toshio for 94 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist King Ryu for 95 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist Atsuhiro Tomioka for 97
- Story-board Kiyosato Yamamoto for 97 (The leaks said he will be with Hiroyuki Kakudo, and the real thing said he will be alone)

So this was terribly innacurate. More, Yoshitaka Toshio told me to not believe the fake informations that are going or internet right now because he is not writing episode 96. (Of course, since it's Hiroshi Yamaguchi)

[Cipher]

I can't be arsed to read up on this conversation but I will own up to being the most credulous r/dbz mod in question. Like Cipher said, the sophistication of this particular hoax is unprecedented so I don't feel embarrassed about that or anything; I did make sure to point out repeatedly in my thread on the subject at r/dbz that it was unconfirmed despite my personal feelings about it. I was the one who posted in our discord about Toshio's tweet before psykomatikk pointed out that it was old news, and Geekdom was there. Should he have waited? Probably, but I can understand why he felt pressured to make some kind of video and I can understand why he was convinced by Toshio's tweet, even if I didn't take it quite the same way. Geekdom does care about getting it right and considering that there are hundreds of thousands of people who depend on YouTubers for their DB news, I'm glad we have a few who give a shit about being right despite the fact that they could probably make more money with bullshit clickbait. Geekdom is the kind of guy who will learn something from this mistake (as we all did) and be even better in the future.

Indeed. This isn't my hill to die on, but I was rather blown away seeing people be so knee-jerk and judgmental about this. Don't run the few people who seem to genuinely care about accurate news in the YouTube space out of town.

[TheSaiyanGod]

As for the leaked thing, the staff-list is completely wrong...
I made the count, and only 3,5 out of the 20 staff listed are correct, and 2 of them were already confirmed by Yoshitaka Toshio three weeks ago.

The leaks got:
- Scenarist Yoshitaka Toshio for 94 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist King Ryu for 95 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist Atsuhiro Tomioka for 97
- Story-board Kiyosato Yamamoto for 97 (The leaks said he will be with Hiroyuki Kakudo, and the real thing said he will be alone)

So this was terribly innacurate. More, Yoshitaka Toshio told me to not believe the fake informations that are going or internet right now because he is not writing episode 96. (Of course, since it's Hiroshi Yamaguchi)

They said that episode titles may have changes depending on the magazine(Although the titles published in two magazines today are the same),but is this change almost common in the entire Staff? Because most of the staff regarding leaks are different. If it is not common, then I think it may be a clue yes

[Psykomatik]

As for the leaked thing, the staff-list is completely wrong...
I made the count, and only 3,5 out of the 20 staff listed are correct, and 2 of them were already confirmed by Yoshitaka Toshio three weeks ago.

The leaks got:
- Scenarist Yoshitaka Toshio for 94 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist King Ryu for 95 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist Atsuhiro Tomioka for 97
- Story-board Kiyosato Yamamoto for 97 (The leaks said he will be with Hiroyuki Kakudo, and the real thing said he will be alone)

So this was terribly innacurate. More, Yoshitaka Toshio told me to not believe the fake informations that are going or internet right now because he is not writing episode 96. (Of course, since it's Hiroshi Yamaguchi)

They said that episode titles may have changes depending on the magazine(Although the titles published in two magazines today are the same),but is this change almost common in the entire Staff? Because most of the staff regarding leaks are different. If it is not common, then I think it may be a clue yes

Yes, the titles might be different from magazine to magazine. No, the staff never changes that much. Never.
In fact, it's always the same staff-list from magazine to magazine, we never had such a big change. Perhaps the leakers had the synopsis and made up everything else? That's possible.

[TheSaiyanGod]

As for the leaked thing, the staff-list is completely wrong...
I made the count, and only 3,5 out of the 20 staff listed are correct, and 2 of them were already confirmed by Yoshitaka Toshio three weeks ago.

The leaks got:
- Scenarist Yoshitaka Toshio for 94 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist King Ryu for 95 (confirmed by Toshio on may, 21th)
- Scenarist Atsuhiro Tomioka for 97
- Story-board Kiyosato Yamamoto for 97 (The leaks said he will be with Hiroyuki Kakudo, and the real thing said he will be alone)

So this was terribly innacurate. More, Yoshitaka Toshio told me to not believe the fake informations that are going or internet right now because he is not writing episode 96. (Of course, since it's Hiroshi Yamaguchi)

They said that episode titles may have changes depending on the magazine(Although the titles published in two magazines today are the same),but is this change almost common in the entire Staff? Because most of the staff regarding leaks are different. If it is not common, then I think it may be a clue yes

Yes, the titles might be different from magazine to magazine. No, the staff never changes that much. Never.
In fact, it's always the same staff-list from magazine to magazine, we never had such a big change. Perhaps the leakers had the synopsis and made up everything else? That's possible.

But usually, the titles only undergo slight changes, right? I think the titles "The trap of the universe 4" (in the leaks) and "The worst! The most despicable! The fury of Freeza!" (In the Newtype magazine) They are very different to be only different interpretations of each magazine.
I think that if they only knew the synopses, they would not want to invent what the Staff of the episodes would be, because then it would be fake when the magazines came out

[HeroR]

That's all good n all, but that's not Geekdom, he always said he'd wait for scans before posting news, so him not doing that is already off couple people tell him they look legit he now posts?, Now we know they're fake, why hasn't he taken it down? Why is he still justifying them? The video is sitting at a pretty 190k views right now, that's why.

It's not even this his episode reviews are garbage, full of misinformation that he has to apologise after we have a simulcast now what's the excuse now? Early video means more views means more money. No I won't lay off him he constantly takes about being the bright spark in this fandom to prevent misinformation, yet he's spread misinformation to 200k people almost, this is everything against his ethos and why I feel betrayed I used to believe into him but he's no different.

I begged Geekdom, even this last week, to just wait an hour for the official sub. Since he actually pays for Crunchyroll, he doesn't have to wait three hours like me, so there is really no excuse for him to used Herm's tweets. Love Herms, but missed stuff since he's watching live and tweeting at the same time.

I am still baffled that he won't wait since people will wait an extra hour for an accurate review.

Overall, I am not mad at Geekdom, more disappointed since I thought he would one of the few to wait and I was surprised when I saw a video on the leak to the point that I thought it was confirmed and rushed over to this thread. I was shocked that nothing was confirmed and Geekdom decided to upload the video after he said that after being burn during the Champa Saga he wouldn't make videos about such leaks until he was sure. More annoying of all, he didn't call them unconfirmed. He made their sound accurate and only gave a throw away line about it may be fake, but "these are good fakes". This is despite me pointing out that the person he listed was named for that episode weeks ago.

And I will admit, I was more than a little annoyed that he didn't take the video down when the leaks more or less looked fake after the real staff credits came out since even if there were some truth to them, it is still mostly wrong information. He should have taking down the first video and kept he update he did later.

[Araki]

They said that episode titles may have changes depending on the magazine(Although the titles published in two magazines today are the same),but is this change almost common in the entire Staff? Because most of the staff regarding leaks are different. If it is not common, then I think it may be a clue yes

Yes, the titles might be different from magazine to magazine. No, the staff never changes that much. Never.
In fact, it's always the same staff-list from magazine to magazine, we never had such a big change. Perhaps the leakers had the synopsis and made up everything else? That's possible.

But usually, the titles only undergo slight changes, right? I think the titles "The trap of the universe 4" (in the leaks) and "The worst! The most despicable! The fury of Freeza!" (In the Newtype magazine) They are very different to be only different interpretations of each magazine.
I think that if they only knew the synopses, they would not want to invent what the Staff of the episodes would be, because then it would be fake when the magazines came out

Yeah, we had changes before but not completely different titles like this. And when that happens, it's usually because the first magazine has incomplete versions, they are not long and elaborated like the fake ones from yesterday. Unlike what some people are saying, they didn't get 97 100% accurately either.

[SansrivaaL]

I still find it hard to take that they simply had some final adjustments with the titles, if so then why do some changes with 97's title? yes it was quite similar but it still had some difference in it, I dont see the need to change it if thats what they were doing, and I still see ep 97 as an obvious take so it wasnt that surprising that the leaker got close to its title, and 98 doesnt even have a title yet. The gap of titles with 95 and 96 are too big to just shrug off as ''alternate titles'' theres not even one single trace of the leaks in there.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Yeah it's quite sad that one of big bright sparks in the mess that is YouTube has gone down the path he talked about he'd never go. The "leaked" episodes video got 183k views, of course he isn't gonna take that down, shame really. No matter what people say deep down on YT everything comes down to views and money.

Geekdom was in the r/dbz Discord chat for quite a while yesterday, asking whether the leaks had been confirmed because he didn't want to go live with fake news. Multiple people, r/dbz mods included, backed up the idea that the leaks seemed quite credible (which they did; we've never seen such elaborate and stylistically accurate fakes before), and eventually they were widespread fandom news regardless. There's no love lost between me and the Dragon Ball YouTube scene, but lay off the guy. Wasn't an easy call and he did due diligence.

Every time I have made a mistake, I have admitted to it and corrected it.

Every. Single. Time. Without fail.

The last time I made a mistake, I demonetized the video I made a mistake on. The time before that, I deleted the original video.

The idea of me only caring about views and money is complete nonsense and always has been.

So if this makes me lose credibility in anybody's eyes - fine - so be it. But you can NEVER say I lied to you or do it for the money. That's a fallacy.

Anyone who says they "no longer trust you," or that you "are not the person they thought you were" are overreacting. They put you on such a high pedestal because of your strict principles of no bullshit, no misinformation, and honesty. Danny, they are trying to find reasons to bring you down to their level.

They just cannot accept the fact that you have dominated the YouTube Dragon Ball realm in the best possible way. I legitimately listen to you at least twice a day, everyday. I love you, man, and I feel like I could be friends with you in real life. You are very personable and honest.

[Terez]

For the record, I'm not aware of the titles in Newtype and Animedia ever having been different. They're always the same. The only time we get different titles is when we get provisional titles, and provisional titles generally come from some sort of TV guide that's released near the month, and it's titles only - in other words, the provisional titles don't come with summaries. Newtype and Animedia both come out on the 10th, and though their summaries are different, the titles are always the same.

The information given in the fake leaks was modeled after the Newtype/Animedia ad format, and there is no other magazine that uses that format that I know of. There is one biweekly TV guide that gives titles and summaries - that's what gave us the 94/95 summaries and titles yesterday - but it's only two episodes at a time, never a whole month, and it gives cast listings rather than staff listings.

Furthermore, provisional titles are almost always shorter versions of the final titles.

[Sodhi]

The only thing that is left in my mind is how did they know the leaks would go up to #98 this month. This whole thing is a really good joke someone played. Also, yea I don't remember titles ever being different other than maybe one or two words in one title or something.

[Terez]

The only thing that is left in my mind is how did they know the leaks would go up to #98 this month. This whole thing is a really good joke someone played.

I mean, none of us expected it but when I saw the fake leaks it didn't take me long to realize that 98 would air before the next release of Newtype/Animedia. A Japanese person would likely be more savvy about that kind of thing, especially a faker as sophisticated as this one. They were paying attention to Toshio's Twitter, maybe Furuya's too. There were a few dodgy details in the summaries, but that's often true of real summaries too so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Sodhi]

Oh wow. I never knew that. I thought there are always 4 episodes leak per month. Silly me lol.

[HeroR]

The only thing that is left in my mind is how did they know the leaks would go up to #98 this month. This whole thing is a really good joke someone played.

I mean, none of us expected it but when I saw the fake leaks it didn't take me long to realize that 98 would air before the next release of Newtype/Animedia. A Japanese person would likely be more savvy about that kind of thing, especially a faker as sophisticated as this one. They were paying attention to Toshio's Twitter, maybe Furuya's too. There were a few dodgy details in the summaries, but that's often true of real summaries too so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From what I hear, this is nothing compared the fakes Pokemon gets, both the games and anime. People actually fake scans and magazines on that one. I remember someone telling me this when we got the summery for Episode 66 from a magazine that no one recognized.

[alakazam^]

If someone got their hands on a magazine earlier, I'd think the staff would be the only thing to be the same everywhere, and it's not the case. Is Newtype the only relevant magazine going out at this time of the month?

Also, why is this Youtube drama nonsense continuing? It's a waste of time idolizing those people and giving them money for stuff they steal from here, might as well just come to the forums anyway and you'll end up with less misinformation and less entitled egos on the internet.

[Kishido]

Also, why is this Youtube drama nonsense continuing? It's a waste of time idolizing those people and giving them money for stuff they steal from here, might as well just come to the forums anyway and you'll end up with less misinformation and less entitled egos on the internet.

This x100... wait for scans + Herms translation and that's all you need

[Terez]

Oh wow. I never knew that. I thought there are always 4 episodes leak per month. Silly me lol.

There generally are but since these magazines come out on a set date, there's going to be an extra week every now and then. It's just how things work out.

If someone got their hands on a magazine earlier, I'd think the staff would be the only thing to be the same everywhere, and it's not the case. Is Newtype the only relevant magazine going out at this time of the month?

Again, Newtype and Animedia both come out on the 10th. We got the Newtype leaks; we're still waiting on Animedia. Often we get leaks for both at the same time, par exemple.

Newtype:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Animedia:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Animedia has a different font, slightly different format, and diamonds before the staff listings. Also, in recent months, Animedia tends to give us more information than Newtype, so hopefully our more detailed leak is yet to come. The titles will be the same but the summaries will be different. (This time, Newtype doesn't have any summaries at all, but Animedia probably will for 94 and 95 at least, and hopefully at least one more episode.)

As far as I know, there is no other magazine that uses this monthly ad format for Super.

Also, why is this Youtube drama nonsense continuing? It's a waste of time idolizing those people and giving them money for stuff they steal from here, might as well just come to the forums anyway and you'll end up with less misinformation and less entitled egos on the internet.

I think there are probably not many people here who depend on YouTubers for DB news; we all prefer to read it as soon as it comes out. That said, people who depend on YouTubers for news are legion and it's hardly "stealing" when the translations in question are offered willingly and proper credit is given. Reputable news organizations piggyback on each other's stories all the time; you could say there's a monetary imbalance in this situation but I know some YouTubers have attempted to share the wealth, such as it is.

[Geekdom101]

Anyone who says they "no longer trust you," or that you "are not the person they thought you were" are overreacting. They put you on such a high pedestal because of your strict principles of no bullshit, no misinformation, and honesty. Danny, they are trying to find reasons to bring you down to their level.

They just cannot accept the fact that you have dominated the YouTube Dragon Ball realm in the best possible way. I legitimately listen to you at least twice a day, everyday. I love you, man, and I feel like I could be friends with you in real life. You are very personable and honest.

You seriously have no idea what this means to me.

[Hit!!]

The internet can be so harsh sometimes.

Guys, despite the outstanding job Geekdom101 has done for the community through YT, he's only human and things like this can happen to anyone. Absolutely every one of us thought these leaks were true. The most influencial people in the fandom thought these leaks were true, even people like Ajay if i recall correctly. The truth is, the fake news was so well elaborated, that it was really credible and the news came from a page that has a lot of credibility.

Sometimes people are too judgemental and forget that the community leaders are also human and can make mistakes.

Other people just look for easy targets to discharge all of their frustration at them.