The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

EDIT: Hooray for moderators!

Anyway, while I think Mr. Satan could have a chance since several Red Ribbon folks nearly beat Goku when he was even more powerful, after the 21st Budokai Mr. Satan would lose to any of the protagonists, except maybe Yamucha.

Mr. Satan was shot through the chest. First appearance Goku, Yamcha and Kuririn walked away from gun shots with a few bruises. Theirs no way he could take on the early Dragonball regulars, let alone when they were at the 21st Budokai.

Nex Carnifex, this fight is pretty one-sided. It'd almost be fair to call it murder rather than a fight.

[Nex Carnifex]

I think Kuririn getting shot must be a gag, he's human after all and he wasn't to impressive at the start. I think Satan could beat him

[In Brightest Day]

Kuririn was still able to hold his own against Goku briefly, who has plenty of gun-tanking feats. Unlikely that Hercule would be able to do anything against any of these guys, at any stage of the series.

[hleV]

Wow, Mr. Satan is overrated.

[Great Saiyaman I]

Kuririn was still able to hold his own against Goku briefly, who has plenty of gun-tanking feats. Unlikely that (the H-word) would be able to do anything against any of these guys, at any stage of the series.

He was able to hold his own against Goku at the 22nd Budokai, when he was much more powerful. Early Kuririn getting shot amd surviving was a gag, as later they fear getting shot by General Blue.

[Nex Carnifex]

Kuririn was still able to hold his own against Goku briefly, who has plenty of gun-tanking feats. Unlikely that (the H-word) would be able to do anything against any of these guys, at any stage of the series.

He was able to hold his own against Goku at the 22nd Budokai, when he was much more powerful. Early Kuririn getting shot amd surviving was a gag, as later they fear getting shot by General Blue.

Yeah this, maybe Goku's wasn't really a gag since he acknowledged it, but Kuririn getting shot was most likely as it was usually at the punchline of a gag, not to establish story.

[CatouttaHell]

Toriyama himself said Mr. Satan is weaker than Bob Sapp, a real life MMA fighter. I seriously doubt he could do anything to Kuririn.

Initial Son Goku >>> Initial Kuririn >> Bear Bandit >>> Mr. Satan

[In Brightest Day]

Kuririn was still able to hold his own against Goku briefly, who has plenty of gun-tanking feats. Unlikely that (the H-word) would be able to do anything against any of these guys, at any stage of the series.

He was able to hold his own against Goku at the 22nd Budokai, when he was much more powerful. Early Kuririn getting shot amd surviving was a gag, as later they fear getting shot by General Blue.

Yeah this, maybe Goku's wasn't really a gag since he acknowledged it, but Kuririn getting shot was most likely as it was usually at the punchline of a gag, not to establish story.

No. As previously mentioned, Son Goku getting shot was not a gag scene, and Kuririn also briefly held his own against Goku from the same time period. That means A). He can take bullets without being killed, and B). Mr. Satan can't do anything against Kuririn, Goku, Yamcha or any other notable fighter from the same time period.

Honestly, it's not even really worth discussing.

[Nex Carnifex]

Yeah this, maybe Goku's wasn't really a gag since he acknowledged it, but Kuririn getting shot was most likely as it was usually at the punchline of a gag, not to establish story.

No. As previously mentioned, Son Goku getting shot was not a gag scene, and Kuririn also briefly held his own against Goku from the same time period. That means A). He can take bullets without being killed, and B). Mr. Satan can't do anything against Kuririn, Goku, Yamcha or any other notable fighter from the same time period.

Honestly, it's not even really worth discussing.

Um, Goku and Kuririn never fought until after being trained by Master Roshi, so I don't know what you are talking about. It was clearly established that Kuririn was way below Goku's strength level before they trained, with things like Goku being able to push a large boulder and Kuririn stating he could definitely not do that.

[CatouttaHell]

Um, Goku and Kuririn never fought until after being trained by Master Roshi, so I don't know what you are talking about.

[Great Saiyaman I]

That's odd. In the post before Catouttahell's it says I was the one who said what Nex said.

Anyway, that's not really "holding your own" as much as it is "completely and totally losing in one panel".

[dbgtFO]

That's odd. In the post before Catouttahell's it says I was the one who said what Nex said.

Nex probably didn't apply the quote tags properly.

Anyway, that's not really "holding your own" as much as it is "completely and totally losing in one panel".

Indeed.

[Nex Carnifex]

Yeah, I didn't remember that, but it really only proves the point that Kuririn was no match for Goku at that time.

[In Brightest Day]

KibitoKai vs. South Supreme Kai.

Yeah, I didn't remember that, but it really only proves the point that Kuririn was no match for Goku at that time.

Still doesn't really mean that Mr. Satan can hold his own against Krillin. He'd be horribly out-matched by Goku and Yamcha in their first appearances too.

[Kirby456]

I say South Kaioshin finger flicks him.

But yeh Mr Satan stands no chance against Initial Kid Krillin or any of them. Hes trash to dragon ball fighters.

[CatouttaHell]

Kibitoshin rapes him. I have him above SSjin 3 Goku.

[Nex Carnifex]

KibitoKai vs. South Supreme Kai.

Yeah, I didn't remember that, but it really only proves the point that Kuririn was no match for Goku at that time.

Still doesn't really mean that Mr. Satan can hold his own against Krillin. He'd be horribly out-matched by Goku and Yamcha in their first appearances too.

And what makes you say that? What feats did Kuririn show besides getting his ass kicked by Goku? Yamcha beat Goku when he was hungry but Goku probably couldn't beat the Bear Thief either.

[Piccolo Daimao]

KibitoKai vs. South Supreme Kai

I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would win this one. If I look at it objectively, Boo absorbs people that are stronger than him (unless it's a Piccolo case, where he absorbed him for his intelligence, but that's irrelevant here, since South Kaioshin's only stated to be the strongest Kaioshin). So South Kaioshin must be stronger than Kid Boo, who the fusion of the East Kaioshin and Kibito didn't fight because the two Saiyans decided that they could handle it themselves. I think it would be weird if (fuck it) "Kibitokai" was stronger than SSj3 Goku, who was actually going to fight Boo, but then decided not to fight and leave it to Goku and Vegeta. Then again, it is the Boo arc. But I think "Kibitokai" is below SSj2 Vegeta, because it's clear that his fusion was just a demonstration of the Potara and didn't even matter, which is why, at his first and only enthusiastic moment to fight, he was immediately shot down by the old East Kaioshin.

So, for now, I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would defeat "Kibitokai" without much trouble, having far superior power and magic than the younger deity.

[hleV]

KibitoKai vs. South Supreme Kai

I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would win this one. If I look at it objectively, Boo absorbs people that are stronger than him (unless it's a Piccolo case, where he absorbed him for his intelligence, but that's irrelevant here, since South Kaioshin's only stated to be the strongest Kaioshin). So South Kaioshin must be stronger than Kid Boo, who the fusion of the East Kaioshin and Kibito didn't fight because the two Saiyans decided that they could handle it themselves. I think it would be weird if (fuck it) "Kibitokai" was stronger than SSj3 Goku, who was actually going to fight Boo, but then decided not to fight and leave it to Goku and Vegeta. Then again, it is the Boo arc. But I think "Kibitokai" is below SSj2 Vegeta, because it's clear that his fusion was just a demonstration of the Potara and didn't even matter, which is why, at his first and only enthusiastic moment to fight, he was immediately shot down by the old East Kaioshin.

So, for now, I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would defeat "Kibitokai" without much trouble, having far superior power and magic than the younger deity.

So according to you, Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Bulky Boo?

[Piccolo Daimao]

KibitoKai vs. South Supreme Kai

I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would win this one. If I look at it objectively, Boo absorbs people that are stronger than him (unless it's a Piccolo case, where he absorbed him for his intelligence, but that's irrelevant here, since South Kaioshin's only stated to be the strongest Kaioshin). So South Kaioshin must be stronger than Kid Boo, who the fusion of the East Kaioshin and Kibito didn't fight because the two Saiyans decided that they could handle it themselves. I think it would be weird if (fuck it) "Kibitokai" was stronger than SSj3 Goku, who was actually going to fight Boo, but then decided not to fight and leave it to Goku and Vegeta. Then again, it is the Boo arc. But I think "Kibitokai" is below SSj2 Vegeta, because it's clear that his fusion was just a demonstration of the Potara and didn't even matter, which is why, at his first and only enthusiastic moment to fight, he was immediately shot down by the old East Kaioshin.

So, for now, I'm going to say that the South Kaioshin would defeat "Kibitokai" without much trouble, having far superior power and magic than the younger deity.

So according to you, Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Bulky Boo?

I would assume so. Unless I'm overestimating Kid Boo's intelligence, Boo only absorbed the fighters he saw as a threat to himself. As we saw in the series, Super Boo absorbed Gotenks and Gohan because they were stronger than him, and Piccolo as a bonus for his intelligence. Nothing's suggested that Boo absorbed the Dai Kaioshin for his brains, just that Dai Kaioshin's kindness and gentleness somehow tamed Boo's power and madness.

In the manga, we didn't see Kid Boo trying to randomly absorb Goku (who Boo wasn't really having trouble with), Vegeta, Mr. Satan or anyone else who was weaker than him. However, we saw Super Boo, who was albeit more reasonable and intelligent than Kid Boo, absorb Gotenks and Gohan, who were stronger than him. So the logical assumption would be that the Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Boo, and Kid Boo had to absorb him to regain his superiority.

...Wait a second. I've just realized something. That would contradict the statement about South Kaioshin being the strongest of the Kaioshins, and there's no reason to assume that the East Kaioshin was only talking about four while excluding the Dai Kaioshin, since it's not as if the higher position of a god has to go to the strongest, with the whole selection of the Shin-jin fruit and all (I think Herms explained this better than me in another post). Maybe it was Dai Kaioshin's magic that Boo saw as a threat to him, which is why he decided to absorb him. Yeah, I'm going to go with that.