MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 5/11/26!)

[Kid Buu]

Hey, Gaffer Tape, I know you're not one for strength debates but what do you think of this? I admit, Yajirobe's strength has always irked me. It's always been weird that despite having no formal training, he was able to match Goku who won made it to the tournament finals.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm not sure how this ended up being a whole another video. This video just covered the fight with Daimao, after this there's barely anything.

I loved the way the Mafuba was written out. Tenshinan going through all that trouble only to be foiled at the last second because he brought a broken container is just... hilariously derp. It just gets funnier when Piccolo basically laughs at him and casually spits out a fatass minion who proceeds to kick Tenshinhan's ass.

I don't even remember Yamcha suiting up to go after Piccolo. I gotta wonder what he felt like he was going to accomplish there, especially by bringing two people with guns. This is probably when the supporting cast was at its most useless outside of the 23rd Budokai. Yamcha would have been killed if he were even in the same general area as the battle.

Agree with the comment on Toriyama making his characters say the same three lines over and over again on the sidelines. It makes you wonder why they even bother to show up. Though you forgot "this power feels enormous!" and "I can't do anything".

I liked the Daimao vs Goku fight. It's not making my top ten or anything, but it's an even battle, features a bit of cleverness from Piccolo, and has the best killing blow ever.

Would Goku have actually died if he hit the ground? If he didn't, then he definitely would have died from his wounds if others hadn't been around to rescue him. I guess that makes the fight kind of a draw, barring outside intervention?

[Kid Buu]

According to the Daiz, the move Ten saved Goku from was Piccolo's strongest.

"An angry Piccolo unleashed his greatest technique, the Bakurikimaha. Goku is saved from that pinch by Tenshinhan's Bukujutsu."

http://web.archive.org/web/201110110425 ... attle#link

I'm not sure how to feel about that. On one hand, it's nice Ten got something to do, but on the other hand it kinda hurts "Goku coming into his own as the world savior" if he needs help to do it. Then again, I guess that is what the 23rd Budokai is for...

[Gaffer Tape]

Hey, Gaffer Tape, I know you're not one for strength debates but what do you think of this? I admit, Yajirobe's strength has always irked me. It's always been weird that despite having no formal training, he was able to match Goku who won made it to the tournament finals.

I'm not really sure. Maybe it's because I just woke up, so my brain isn't really working yet, but did RandomGuy96 mention that Goku was originally beaten by Tambourine when he was tired, hungry, and beaten up? Or was that even relevant? I'm sorry, but I really have a hard time forcing myself to focus on strength debates.

I'm not sure how this ended up being a whole another video. This video just covered the fight with Daimao, after this there's barely anything.

Actually, there's going to be two more videos after this to finish out the arc. The first will be the final four chapters of the arc (which, while a short amount of material, contain a LOT of stuff to talk about, even with me putting off as much as possible for the next arc). The second will be my usual review of the arc as a whole and ranking.

I loved the way the Mafuba was written out. Tenshinan going through all that trouble only to be foiled at the last second because he brought a broken container is just... hilariously derp. It just gets funnier when Piccolo basically laughs at him and casually spits out a fatass minion who proceeds to kick Tenshinhan's ass.

Eh. If it had been intended to play as comedy, it would have been hilarious. But as a serious plot point, it just feels like Toriyama struggling to find a way for Tenshinhan to fail.

Agree with the comment on Toriyama making his characters say the same three lines over and over again on the sidelines. It makes you wonder why they even bother to show up. Though you forgot "this power feels enormous!" and "I can't do anything".

What? But one of my three was, "There's nothing I can do!"

[coola]

Well, it was right after Goku eat Yajirobe fish, and was back on full strength, Yajirobe was very strong at this time, but, Master Roshi mentioned on 21st Budokai, that most Goku strength came from fact, that he was rised in wilderness. so maybe its not that strange? I'm looking forward to hear your final opinion on this saga, and how you rate it, i really enjoy it, but, i always wondered, how Goku could ride Kinto-un, even through his heart was full of hatred (Unless we go with pure good, or pure evil route, like with how Vegeta become SSJ)

[Kid Buu]

Hey, Gaffer Tape, I know you're not one for strength debates but what do you think of this? I admit, Yajirobe's strength has always irked me. It's always been weird that despite having no formal training, he was able to match Goku who won made it to the tournament finals.

I'm not really sure. Maybe it's because I just woke up, so my brain isn't really working yet, but did RandomGuy96 mention that Goku was originally beaten by Tambourine when he was tired, hungry, and beaten up? Or was that even relevant? I'm sorry, but I really have a hard time forcing myself to focus on strength debates.

Well after he loses to Tambourine he eats a big fish which brings him back to full health. At that point Goku fights evenly with Yajirobe, and later Yajirobe beats Cymbal after a struggle. Tambourine, who is said he to be many stronger than Cymbal, is easily beaten by Goku. This has been confusing me to the point where I keep asking about Cymbal in the VS topic, and it seems I'm not the only one confused.

Agree with the comment on Toriyama making his characters say the same three lines over and over again on the sidelines. It makes you wonder why they even bother to show up. Though you forgot "this power feels enormous!" and "I can't do anything".

What? But one of my three was, "There's nothing I can do!"

You forgot the most overused line in fighting anime: THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM (or something in that vain). DBZ runs this trope to the ground, just look no further than the Freeza fight.

[TheGmGoken]

Shit I thought it was more of this I'm Dbz.

"This isn't my full power!"

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, there's going to be two more videos after this to finish out the arc. The first will be the final four chapters of the arc (which, while a short amount of material, contain a LOT of stuff to talk about, even with me putting off as much as possible for the next arc). The second will be my usual review of the arc as a whole and ranking.

I'm aware. Sorry, I typed that post up in a rush so the grammar in that sentence ended up pretty awful, which may have obscured my message. I was responding to you saying that there'll be one more video than expected in that post, by saying that I don't know how that can be the case, as the arc ends almost immediately after Daimao dies.

Eh. If it had been intended to play as comedy, it would have been hilarious. But as a serious plot point, it just feels like Toriyama struggling to find a way for Tenshinhan to fail.

I doubt he was "struggling" to find a way, given that there were many plausible scenarios that would result in the Mafuba not working. He just chose the derpiest one.

What? But one of my three was, "There's nothing I can do!"

Yeah, my mistake. That'll teach me to respond to a video at any time after immediately watching it.

[Gaffer Tape]

You forgot the most overused line in fighting anime: THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM (or something in that vain). DBZ runs this trope to the ground, just look no further than the Freeza fight.

I'm not really sure it's fair to say I "forgot" it, since it doesn't happen in this arc. I mean, yes, that does happen a lot but not here.

[Kid Buu]

That is true.

If you don't mind me asking ahead, what is your interpretation of the Yamcha/Kami fight at the 23rd Budokai? In the translation I've read, Kami told him that he needed to remain vigilant after successfully getting a hit in. The next fight Yamcha has in the manga, he drops his guard after hitting with the Saibaman with the Kamehameha....lol?

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm. I don't remember that line. But I will go ahead and say I've always been disappointed this was never followed up on. Despite what was largely a curb stomp, Shen lauds Yamucha at the end of their fight and expresses his certainty that he'll get much stronger. He's also the first person Shen hints his true identity to. It just seems like those were some really good seeds for some kind of relationship or bond between the two, which, sadly, never comes close to being touched upon ever again.

[Kid Buu]

Spoiler:

And it's not even just the Saibaman fight, because I believe Yamcha is the one who gets excited too early and thinks Goku has beaten Cell with the Warp Kamehameha.

I agree with what you said too. Out of all the 23rd Budokai fights, Yamcha is the only one not to have a personal connection to the person who he is fighting. It seemed like Toriyama was going to establish something between them there, but the instant Goku was retconned into a Saiyan, the story shifted and it just seems like Toriyama had no use for the character. The weird thing is, Toriyama kept giving the guy character design upgrades and kept him around for some reason. By the Buu Arc, even Tenshinhan was reduced to a cameo, but Yamcha gets some decent panel time for a support character.

[Kid Buu]

Well, I just watched the episode, and here is what is said in the anime.

"That truly was a fantastic technique...but that last part was no good at all."

"I believe, 'Overconfidence will be your undoing,' is how the phrase goes."

"Ho, my, I've gone and injured my host body."

Furuya's acting when Yamcha says "I did it! How do you like that?!" is awesome. Too bad Yamcha's rivalry with Ten and relationship with Kami went nowhere.

[Gaffer Tape]

Viz pretty much says the same thing, right down to the quote about overconfidence, so I'd definitely say chances are good that's a fairly literal translation without liberties being taken. I admit I always found that line to be a bit vague. I was never really sure what was referring to. The translation you used is a bit clearer in meaning. I just don't know for sure if that was what the line was originally trying to convey.

[Kid Buu]

Is he really that overconfident? He didn't think he'd easily claim the 21st Budokai, claimed that he may take Baba's fighters (in Viz translations anyway), only lost to Shen due to him being possessed by a God, and even Nappa thought he won against the Saibaman. I think Tenshinhan was the only time he was just 100% overconfident.

[Kid Buu]

Completely off-topic, but Zyuranger is coming to DVD.

Thought you'd be interested.

[RandomGuy96]

Is he really that overconfident? He didn't think he'd easily claim the 21st Budokai, claimed that he may take Baba's fighters (in Viz translations anyway), only lost to Shen due to him being possessed by a God, and even Nappa thought he won against the Saibaman. I think Tenshinhan was the only time he was just 100% overconfident.

He said he could take all of the Cultivars on his own, then proceeded to get killed by one.

[coola]

Kid Buu: Thanks for news, wow, i never expected Sentai to be released in US I just hope it gonna sell well, all Zyuranger episodes were fansubbed already for almost a year.

On-topic: I'm not sure why, but i kinda regret, that they get rid of Crane Master at finals, it would be cool, to see two last Mutaito students to face Piccolo, it probably wouldnt change a thing in result, but still.

[Kid Buu]

Is he really that overconfident? He didn't think he'd easily claim the 21st Budokai, claimed that he may take Baba's fighters (in Viz translations anyway), only lost to Shen due to him being possessed by a God, and even Nappa thought he won against the Saibaman. I think Tenshinhan was the only time he was just 100% overconfident.

He said he could take all of the Cultivars on his own, then proceeded to get killed by one.

Also, why did the Saibaman blow up on him anyway? Couldn't it have just melted him with the acid move?

[matt0044]

Also, why did the Saibaman blow up on him anyway? Couldn't it have just melted him with the acid move?

Well, you either go big or go home (or die in this case).