General Fan Fiction Thread

[ekrolo2]

Future Trunks' history can't work as its own universe period regardless of time travel. There's literally no way you can justify the dead warriors decision to sit on their asses and not contact New Namek.

They all reincarnated

See? It can't be done! There's no way King Kai doesn't contact New Namek, revive Piccolo, have him and Gohan enter the ROSAT then finger flick #17 and #18 to death.

[Doctor.]

Future Trunks' history can't work as its own universe period regardless of time travel. There's literally no way you can justify the dead warriors decision to sit on their asses and not contact New Namek.

They all reincarnated

See? It can't be done! There's no way King Kai doesn't contact New Namek, revive Piccolo, have him and Gohan enter the ROSAT then finger flick #17 and #18 to death.

U-Uh, M-Majin Boo got revived before anyone noticed, left the planet intact and went to the Afterlife and nuked everything!

To be fair, Kaio did say he wouldn't act unless it were a galactic threat. The androids were contained to Earth. Cell at least had the potential to destroy the entire universe due to being able to survive in space.

[ekrolo2]

U-Uh, M-Majin Boo got revived before anyone noticed, left the planet intact and went to the Afterlife and nuked everything!

Dragon Ball Super disproves this

*kills self for using DB Super as a defense*

[TheUltimateNinja]

I wonder if anyone's tried to rewrite the series to keep power levels as low as possible, while still being reasonable and faithful to the source material. I bet the entire Frieza arc could be kept under 100k.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Future Trunks' history can't work as its own universe period regardless of time travel. There's literally no way you can justify the dead warriors decision to sit on their asses and not contact New Namek.

They all reincarnated

See? It can't be done! There's no way King Kai doesn't contact New Namek, revive Piccolo, have him and Gohan enter the ROSAT then finger flick #17 and #18 to death.

King Kai doesn't really give a damn about Earth, though. I don't see why he'd do such a thing when the androids are only a threat to 1 planet.

[ekrolo2]

King Kai doesn't really give a damn about Earth, though. I don't see why he'd do such a thing when the androids are only a threat to 1 planet.

Helping Goku revive his dead friends benefits no one but the Earth too and he's willing to help his student out. King Kai also doesn't know what the Androids are capable of besides the fact they're a lot stronger than Freeza which was thought impossible. Unlike us, he has no reason to assume "Yeah these guys are stuck on Earth!". If anything, some punk kids randomly becoming stronger than Freeza should freak him out into action more so than anything else.

I repeat: Future Trunks' history can only work if you make everyone a lazy or indifferent assholes. It cannot work when we've got more DBs available and an afterlife that lets the characters mess around with the living world.

[TheUltimateNinja]

King Kai doesn't really give a damn about Earth, though. I don't see why he'd do such a thing when the androids are only a threat to 1 planet.

Helping Goku revive his dead friends benefits no one but the Earth too and he's willing to help his student out. King Kai also doesn't know what the Androids are capable of besides the fact they're a lot stronger than Freeza which was thought impossible. Unlike us, he has no reason to assume "Yeah these guys are stuck on Earth!". If anything, some punk kids randomly becoming stronger than Freeza should freak him out into action more so than anything else.

I repeat: Future Trunks' history can only work if you make everyone a lazy or indifferent assholes. It cannot work when we've got more DBs available and an afterlife that lets the characters mess around with the living world.

It could simply be that their souls were wiped and reincarnated before King Kai decided he had to intervene.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Say, would a 20% gap between Ginyu and First Form Frieza work?

[Doctor.]

Say, would a 20% gap between Ginyu and First Form Frieza work?

Depends on how strong you have Freeza's next forms and how much of the Kaioken you intend for Goku to use.

[Alruneia]

Say, would a 20% gap between Ginyu and First Form Frieza work?

Both of their power levels are set in stone in canon. 120,000 and 530,000 respectively. You'd have to contradict Toriyama to put anything else. Of course, if that's what you're going for, then all bets are off. I think that the entire Ginyu Force should be unable to fight 1st form Frieza (no body change or paralysis) though.

[ekrolo2]

It could simply be that their souls were wiped and reincarnated before King Kai decided he had to intervene.

I don't see how, Kami is there to vouch for basically everyone, minus Vegeta, there's no way he doesn't get reincarnated in this scenario, and secure their bodies. Plus, when Goku dies against Cell, he keeps his body by default, why wouldn't everyone else too?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Say, would a 20% gap between Ginyu and First Form Frieza work?

Depends on how strong you have Freeza's next forms and how much of the Kaioken you intend for Goku to use.

Frieza only has 2 forms, his first form and his final form. Also, Kaioken is simply a two-fold multiplier, can't go any higher no matter what.

Say, would a 20% gap between Ginyu and First Form Frieza work?

Both of their power levels are set in stone in canon. 120,000 and 530,000 respectively. You'd have to contradict Toriyama to put anything else. Of course, if that's what you're going for, then all bets are off. I think that the entire Ginyu Force should be unable to fight 1st form Frieza (no body change or paralysis) though.

Yeah, I'm ignoring all canon levels except Raditz' 1,200 and scaling from there.

It could simply be that their souls were wiped and reincarnated before King Kai decided he had to intervene.

I don't see how, Kami is there to vouch for basically everyone, minus Vegeta, there's no way he doesn't get reincarnated in this scenario, and secure their bodies. Plus, when Goku dies against Cell, he keeps his body by default, why wouldn't everyone else too?

Well, ultimately King Kai did not intervene and he must have had a good reason for avoiding it, my explanation is he realized that the androids most likely wouldn't leave the Earth.

[ekrolo2]

Well, ultimately King Kai did not intervene and he must have had a good reason for avoiding it, my explanation is he realized that the androids most likely wouldn't leave the Earth.

There really isn't one is my point. He has no way of determining how 17 and 18 work so him just deciding that these random punk kids who can finger flick max power Freeza & Super Saiyan level fighters, the toughest warriors in the universe save the G.O.D.s and the angels can't leave the Earth is beyond a stretch. It also doesn't work because King Kai is perfectly fine with aiding Goku to revive his friends, an act that only benefits the Earth after the planet is pretty much safe yet doesn't do the same thing when the Earth is facing potentially the greatest crisis ever?

People have argued with me on this but it can't work, Future Trunks' timeline can only remain an apocalyptic dystopia if you randomly make everyone act either lazy or stupid or like indifferent pricks. Hell, even if you ignore this, unless 17 and 18 annihilated the ROSAT in their very first appearance, Gohan should've been able to get in there, do some training and come out strong enough to kill them both.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Well, ultimately King Kai did not intervene and he must have had a good reason for avoiding it, my explanation is he realized that the androids most likely wouldn't leave the Earth.

There really isn't one is my point. He has no way of determining how 17 and 18 work so him just deciding that these random punk kids who can finger flick max power Freeza & Super Saiyan level fighters, the toughest warriors in the universe save the G.O.D.s and the angels can't leave the Earth is beyond a stretch. It also doesn't work because King Kai is perfectly fine with aiding Goku to revive his friends, an act that only benefits the Earth after the planet is pretty much safe yet doesn't do the same thing when the Earth is facing potentially the greatest crisis ever?

People have argued with me on this but it can't work, Future Trunks' timeline can only remain an apocalyptic dystopia if you randomly make everyone act either lazy or stupid or like indifferent pricks. Hell, even if you ignore this, unless 17 and 18 annihilated the ROSAT in their very first appearance, Gohan should've been able to get in there, do some training and come out strong enough to kill them both.

Maybe they did decimate the lookout and that's why nobody can use the RoSAT.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, in my system 10% is enough to dominate your opponent to the extent that their chances of victory are minimal, 20%+ is enough to tank most attacks and deal massive damage in a few blows, 33%+ is when you start getting into one-shot territory with heavy blows and at 50%+ you can easily oneshot and tank without even trying.

Also, this does deviate from canon a bit, so given this information tell me what you think of this list:

Spoiler:

Saiyan Arc:
Goku: 920
Piccolo: 900
Raditz: 1,200

Arrival of the Saiyans:
Piccolo: 1,500
Yamcha: 1,060
Kuririn: 1,150
Tenshinhan: 1,180
Gohan: 980
Saibamen: 1,000
Nappa: 1,800
Gohan (Enraged): 1,600
Goku: 2,000
Goku (Initial Kaioken): 2,500
Vegeta: 3,000
Goku (Maximum Kaioken): 3,500
Vegeta (Enraged Galick Gun): 3,300
Goku (Pushing Kaioken beyond his limits): 4,000
Vegeta (Damaged): 2,000
Goku (Exhausted): 1,000
Oozaru Vegeta: 3,000
Vegeta (Tail removed): 1,800
Oozaru Gohan: 2,400
Vegeta (Heavily damaged): 60

Spoiler:

Namek Arc:
Vegeta: 3,600
Cui: 3,000
Dodoria: 3,300
Zarbon: 3,400
Monster Zarbon: 3,900
Vegeta (Zenkai): 4,200
Kuririn (Potential unlock): 3,000
Gohan (Potential unlock): 3,500
Nail: 5,000
Frieza: 8,000
Guldo: 2,500
Recoome: 5,000
Jeice: 5,000
Burter: 5,000
Goku: 4,500
Goku (Initial Kaioken): 6,000
Ginyu: 6,000
Goku (Powered up Kaioken): 7,000
Ginyu Goku: 3,000
Vegeta (Zenkai): 6,000

Spoiler:

Frieza Arc:
Vegeta (Nap): 7,500
Frieza: 8,000
Frieza (Powered up): 9,000
Piccolo: 3,500
Piccolo (Nail fusion): 8,500
Piccolo (Weights off): 9,000
Frieza (Full power): 10,000
Gohan (Enraged): 9,200
Vegeta (Zenkai): 10,000
True form Frieza (Initial): 10,500
Frieza (Powered up): 12,000
Goku (Zenkai): 12,000
Frieza (60%): 15,000
Goku (Initial Kaioken): 18,000
Frieza (80%): 20,000
Goku (Maximum Kaioken): 24,000
Frieza (Damaged): 18,500
Piccolo (Kuririn + Gohan's energy): 15,000
Frieza (Injured): 16,000
SSJ Goku: 24,000
Frieza (100%): 20,000
Frieza (Buff): 24,000

[Alruneia]

How do you guys feel about telepathy? I think it's already a thing in canon (I'm not completely positive), but is that something you guys have used in your works?
It's absolutely a thing I've included. It's a key factor in one of the more "mystical" arcs of mine. I'm talking about communication, not just mind reading, by the way. The good guys can use it to communicate if normal speech isn't possible, after all, and also, a psychic villain could be devastating. Imagine fighting someone who can both psych your head out directly and know your every move before you use them...

Edit: I mean saiyan/human/ningen telepathy! I'm aware of the Kai ability!

[Anime Kitten]

I've never used it, but I should. I am planning on creating a lot of original villains, so perhaps telepathy will make it in for one of them.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

If I were to re-write (never would, just hypothetically), I'd ditch time travel. Trunks can exist in an alternate universe, or something.

Why would he choose to come to our universe?

I haven't put much thought into something like that, but it could be a mirrorverse model. If you've seen the 2003 version of Fullmetal Alchemist, you know what I mean. The history of the two worlds were identical up to a certain point, but they were always separate, yet connected. Instead of a time machine, the vehicle would bypass "the gate". Hoping I'm not too old-school by referencing the old FMA

Future Trunks' history can't work as its own universe period regardless of time travel. There's literally no way you can justify the dead warriors decision to sit on their asses and not contact New Namek. Nor is there a way to make them come back without being able to murder stomp the Androids effortlessly, I had to introduce Babidi & Majin Boo in my rewrite of FTs timeline just to have a story.

You can't justify those things with time travel, I don't see how removing it makes anything worse.

However, it's also worth noting that in my hypothetical never-ever-going-to-happen rewrite, the afterlife wouldn't exist, and the God's homes have no connection to a "realm of the dead". You can still be revived once, but life is life, death is death, the God's live in their own realm, similar to the Demon Realm.

[ekrolo2]

You can't justify those things with time travel, I don't see how removing it makes anything worse.

However, it's also worth noting that in my hypothetical never-ever-going-to-happen rewrite, the afterlife wouldn't exist, and the God's homes have no connection to a "realm of the dead". You can still be revived once, but life is life, death is death, the God's live in their own realm, similar to the Demon Realm.

That's my point, removing the time travel aspect only improves the Android arc. You can hit pretty much all of the major beats of the arc without the time travel existing. 19 and 20 would have some actual mystery around them, you wouldn't have the whole stupid "Why didn't they just kill Gero?" question, the characters would be caught off guard, adding some tension to the proceedings and Cell can easily be reworked as a side project of Gero's activated as a revenge scheme for 17 and 18 killing him.

[Sailor Haumea]

I intend to modify the timeline system in my fic. There isn't an unseen timeline.

The timeline system in my fic:

Timeline 1: The original timeline. Goku kills Frieza and Cold, then dies of the heart virus. The Androids show up and kill everyone. Hoi shows up with the music box, which is opened using Capsule Corp. technology. To kill Hirudegarn, Trunks kills Tapion and Hoi, and keeps the Brave Sword as a reminder. Trunks goes back in time, creating Timeline 2.
Timeline 2: Cell's timeline. T1 Trunks arrives and kills Frieza and Cold, then gives the antidote to Goku and warns everyone about the androids. He returns to his timeline, and never comes back here. Thus, without his help, the androids manage to kill everyone, including Goku. Tapion event happens again. Trunks from this timeline goes back in time, creating Timeline 3. He returns with the blueprints, deactivates the androids, and prepares to go back in time. Cell shows up, kills him, and goes back in time, creating Timeline 4.
Timeline 3: Trunks's timeline. T2 Trunks doesn't interfere in this timeline. He makes a beeline for Gero's lab, steals the blueprints, and returns to his own timeline. Thus, Goku kills Frieza and Cold, dies of the heart virus. Androids triumph again. Again, Tapion event. Trunks goes back in time, and, along with T2 Cell, creates Timeline 4. Trunks returns triumphant, and kills the Androids and Cell. Much later, Goku Black arrives, kills Gowasu, and teams up with this timeline's Zamasu, who wishes for immortality, and they begin their plan of mass genocide. Trunks goes back in time again, creating Timeline 5. Goku, Trunks, Vegeta, and Bulma follow Black back here. Eventually, Black and Zamasu fuse, Trunks destroys Fusion Zamasu's body, but he fuses with the fabric of reality, leading to this timeline's Zen-Oh destroying everything. The survivors move to Timeline 5 temporarily.
Timeline 4: Goku Black's timeline. T2 Cell arrives in Age 763. T3 Trunks arrives in Age 764, and kills Frieza and Cold. He gives Goku the antidote, warns everyone, leaves. He returns 3 years later. They fight the Androids and Cell. No more time travel (besides Tapion) occurs. Much later, Zamasu and Goku fight. Zamasu wishes to switch bodies with Goku, becomes Goku Black, and kills the Son family, then goes to Timeline 3.
Timeline 5: Main timeline. T4 Trunks returns following the multiverse tournament and warns everyone. Black follows him. Eventually, Goku, Bulma, Vegeta, and Trunks head back to Timeline 3. They come back, accompanied by Mai and Zen-Oh, who befriends this timeline'sversion of himself. Whis creates a new timeline, Timeline 6, and takes Trunks and Mai to it.
Timeline 6: The new future timeline. Whis arrives, preempts Shin and Kibito's deaths, and warns this timeline's Beerus and Whis about Zamasu. Trunks and Mai stay here. It is made abundantly clear to Zamasu that if he attempts to enact any plans of genocide or murder, he will be severely punished. However, as he hasn't done anything yet, he's let off with a warning.

What, no comments on my idea?