"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Just for Geekdom

The FujiTV preview says in the midst of the battle, Freeza comes up with another goal/objectiv

True, The preview of FujiTV says this
But neither Quitela nor Sidra went to the 7th Universe, because they can not get directly involved.
In fact, the God of Destruction of the Universe 9 is the only one who is watching the battle, and it looks like he will attack Freeza.

I do not see how Freeza could suddenly go to the Universe 4

Vegeta has always emphasized how useless the scouters were in relation to the Ability to feel Ki

Freeza, even knowing that, never spoke a word about it.
He never seemed interested in learning to feel Ki.There is nothing that prevents him from learning, just was not told that he learned

Freeza can sense ki in Super. It sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan in Episode 26.

Where has Freeza been shown feeling Goku's Ki transformed into SSGSS?

I literally put the episode number right here.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Just for Geekdom

The FujiTV preview says in the midst of the battle, Freeza comes up with another goal/objectiv

True, The preview of FujiTV says this
But neither Quitela nor Sidra went to the 7th Universe, because they can not get directly involved.
In fact, the God of Destruction of the Universe 9 is the only one who is watching the battle, and it looks like he will attack Freeza.

I do not see how Freeza could suddenly go to the Universe 4

Freeza can sense ki in Super. It sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan in Episode 26.

Where has Freeza been shown feeling Goku's Ki transformed into SSGSS?

I literally put the episode number right here.

But 1 episode takes about 20 minutes ...

The only scene this could be said is when Goku releases his power after noticing the weakness of Freeza

Freeza realizes that he still had more power hidden. But how does that mean he felt Goku's Ki?
At Namek he could not feel Goku's Ki and even then he realized that he was holding on.

[HeroR]

But 1 episode takes about 20 minutes ...

The only scene this could be said is when Goku releases his power after noticing the weakness of Freeza

Freeza realizes that he still had more power hidden. But how does that mean he felt Goku's Ki?
At Namek he could not feel Goku's Ki and even then he realized that he was holding on.

He said that he was superior to Goku after he went golden and said 'from what I am sensing, I am the strongest'.

So yes, he sensed Goku's power.

[TheSaiyanGod]

But 1 episode takes about 20 minutes ...

The only scene this could be said is when Goku releases his power after noticing the weakness of Freeza

Freeza realizes that he still had more power hidden. But how does that mean he felt Goku's Ki?
At Namek he could not feel Goku's Ki and even then he realized that he was holding on.

He said that he was superior to Goku after he went golden and said 'from what I am sensing, I am the strongest'.

So yes, he sensed Goku's power.

This must have been in episode 25.

In fact, Freeza himself says that he does not know the power he has, and that he could kill Goku with a punch (we have seen that it did not happen).

There was no way to measure the power of either of them there. Goku said it would be an even battle, and it was actually being matched, until Freeza began to overtake Goku.
The narrator even says that.

So, at no time is Freeza sensing the power of Goku

[HeroR]

This must have been in episode 25.

In fact, Freeza himself says that he does not know the power he has, and that he could kill Goku with a punch (we have seen that it did not happen).

There was no way to measure the power of either of them there. Goku said it would be an even battle, and it was actually being matched, until Freeza began to overtake Goku.
The narrator even says that.

So, at no time is Freeza sensing the power of Goku

Freeza: "Judging from the energy I'm sensing, it seems that I will be the victor, does it not?"
Goku: "I think it'll be a close match."
Freeza: "No, I am superior."

Significance: A major plot point on Namek was that Freeza was unable to sense energy without a scouter. It seems that in his training, he not only learned to sense energy, but godly energy as well. Quite an improvement. Some groups mistranslated this as Freeza telling Goku to sense his energy & feel how superior he is.

Right from Herms in the Fact Checker thread.

[LowRyder2005]

HeroR is absolutely spot-on here. Freeza did sense Goku's energy (much like Hit sensed Goku later on, corroborating the general idea that if you are strong enough you can "feel" the otherwise undetectable godly ki). I didn't entirely get what the debate is about, though.

This ability of Freeza should be common knowledge, by now. I mean, unless one were to argue that for some bizarre reason he was able to sense Goku and Goku only...

[TheSaiyanGod]

This must have been in episode 25.

In fact, Freeza himself says that he does not know the power he has, and that he could kill Goku with a punch (we have seen that it did not happen).

There was no way to measure the power of either of them there. Goku said it would be an even battle, and it was actually being matched, until Freeza began to overtake Goku.
The narrator even says that.

So, at no time is Freeza sensing the power of Goku

Freeza: "Judging from the energy I'm sensing, it seems that I will be the victor, does it not?"
Goku: "I think it'll be a close match."
Freeza: "No, I am superior."

Significance: A major plot point on Namek was that Freeza was unable to sense energy without a scouter. It seems that in his training, he not only learned to sense energy, but godly energy as well. Quite an improvement. Some groups mistranslated this as Freeza telling Goku to sense his energy & feel how superior he is.

Right from Herms in the Fact Checker thread.

You talk about how feeling the divine Ki is the same as feeling the normal Ki. Freeza never imagined that he would face Goku with a divine transformation. Vegeta needed to train with Whis, for months, to learn to feel that kind of Ki. How could Freeza, who could not even feel the normal Ki, feel the Ki of the SSB, who uses a different method?
The point here is not to have power and neither potential, because this ability to these is related to the power of the user. And why could Freeza not be referring to his own energy? This was not explicit and opens the door to various interpretations. It has never been clearly stated that he learned

[HeroR]

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You talk about how feeling the divine Ki is the same as feeling the normal Ki. Freeza never imagined that he would face Goku with a divine transformation. Vegeta needed to train with Whis, for months, to learn to feel that kind of Ki. How could Freeza, who could not even feel the normal Ki, feel the Ki of the SSB, who uses a different method?
The point here is not to have power and neither potential, because this ability to these is related to the power of the user. And why could Freeza not be referring to his own energy? This was not explicit and opens the door to various interpretations. It has never been clearly stated that he learned

Goku was in his god form so he felt divine ki. If you can sense one, you can sense the other since we have never seen a person who can sense god ki, but not sense regular ki. What does Vegeta's training have to do with anything when Freeza craps over the progress of any character in the franchise? And Vegeta learned to feel ki just by knowing it's possible.

There is no interpretation here. Freeza can sense god ki and ki in general because he sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku's power and compared it to his own.

[TheSaiyanGod]

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You talk about how feeling the divine Ki is the same as feeling the normal Ki. Freeza never imagined that he would face Goku with a divine transformation. Vegeta needed to train with Whis, for months, to learn to feel that kind of Ki. How could Freeza, who could not even feel the normal Ki, feel the Ki of the SSB, who uses a different method?
The point here is not to have power and neither potential, because this ability to these is related to the power of the user. And why could Freeza not be referring to his own energy? This was not explicit and opens the door to various interpretations. It has never been clearly stated that he learned

Goku was in his god form so he felt divine ki. If you can sense one, you can sense the other since we have never seen a person who can sense god ki, but not sense regular ki. What does Vegeta's training have to do with anything when Freeza craps over the progress of any character in the franchise? And Vegeta learned to feel ki just by knowing it's possible.

There is no interpretation here. Freeza can sense god ki and ki in general because he sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku's power and compared it to his own.

I do not know why you are relating power level to a skill that has nothing to do with it. Freeza saying "the power I'm feeling" may refer to his own power. It was not exactly stated that he was feeling Goku's Ki. Its evolution related to power and really was giant, but learning to feel the divine Ki requires a much more specific training, a differentiated training and that Freeza did not have.

He may have learned to feel normal Ki, but that was never said. He said he thought he would defeat Goku with a coup precisely because he had no sense of either his power or his power

[Kishido]

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You talk about how feeling the divine Ki is the same as feeling the normal Ki. Freeza never imagined that he would face Goku with a divine transformation. Vegeta needed to train with Whis, for months, to learn to feel that kind of Ki. How could Freeza, who could not even feel the normal Ki, feel the Ki of the SSB, who uses a different method?
The point here is not to have power and neither potential, because this ability to these is related to the power of the user. And why could Freeza not be referring to his own energy? This was not explicit and opens the door to various interpretations. It has never been clearly stated that he learned

Goku was in his god form so he felt divine ki. If you can sense one, you can sense the other since we have never seen a person who can sense god ki, but not sense regular ki. What does Vegeta's training have to do with anything when Freeza craps over the progress of any character in the franchise? And Vegeta learned to feel ki just by knowing it's possible.

There is no interpretation here. Freeza can sense god ki and ki in general because he sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku's power and compared it to his own.

I do not know why you are relating power level to a skill that has nothing to do with it. Freeza saying "the power I'm feeling" may refer to his own power. It was not exactly stated that he was feeling Goku's Ki. Its evolution related to power and really was giant, but learning to feel the divine Ki requires a much more specific training, a differentiated training and that Freeza did not have.

He may have learned to feel normal Ki, but that was never said. He said he thought he would defeat Goku with a coup precisely because he had no sense of either his power or his power

What about Hit feeling god ki? Even Trunks after Imari sensed Vegito

[SSBX]

So, apparently there's a GodTube.I wonder how there comment section is like.

[Ki Breaker]

So, apparently there's a GodTube.I wonder how there comment section is like.

There was one since the future trunks arc..
That's how Zamasu knew goku had blue, and that's the sole reason Manga Zamasu took Goku's body

[TheSaiyanGod]

Goku was in his god form so he felt divine ki. If you can sense one, you can sense the other since we have never seen a person who can sense god ki, but not sense regular ki. What does Vegeta's training have to do with anything when Freeza craps over the progress of any character in the franchise? And Vegeta learned to feel ki just by knowing it's possible.

There is no interpretation here. Freeza can sense god ki and ki in general because he sensed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku's power and compared it to his own.

I do not know why you are relating power level to a skill that has nothing to do with it. Freeza saying "the power I'm feeling" may refer to his own power. It was not exactly stated that he was feeling Goku's Ki. Its evolution related to power and really was giant, but learning to feel the divine Ki requires a much more specific training, a differentiated training and that Freeza did not have.

He may have learned to feel normal Ki, but that was never said. He said he thought he would defeat Goku with a coup precisely because he had no sense of either his power or his power

What about Hit feeling god ki? Even Trunks after Imari sensed Vegito

I think Hitto's case is the only one that really gets explicit, even though it's not being explained. He feels the Ki of Goku SSB increasing. But the Trunks just say "The merger between Goku and my father, that Ki unbelievable".

But Vegito was already releasing an absurd amount of energy, too count the pressure of the divine Ki, so you can not tell if Trunks really can feel the divine Ki. Even if the SSJ Rage possessed divine Ki, Trunks would have to be transformed to feel the divine Ki

[HeroR]

I do not know why you are relating power level to a skill that has nothing to do with it. Freeza saying "the power I'm feeling" may refer to his own power. It was not exactly stated that he was feeling Goku's Ki. Its evolution related to power and really was giant, but learning to feel the divine Ki requires a much more specific training, a differentiated training and that Freeza did not have.

He may have learned to feel normal Ki, but that was never said. He said he thought he would defeat Goku with a coup precisely because he had no sense of either his power or his power

I am not. I am just saying that Freeza has prove himself to be a genius as well and Vegeta figured out how to sense energy without any training just by knowing it was possible.

He sensed Goku as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That was stated in the text and it was never implied that someone can sense god ki, but not sense normal ki.

[TheSaiyanGod]

I do not know why you are relating power level to a skill that has nothing to do with it. Freeza saying "the power I'm feeling" may refer to his own power. It was not exactly stated that he was feeling Goku's Ki. Its evolution related to power and really was giant, but learning to feel the divine Ki requires a much more specific training, a differentiated training and that Freeza did not have.

He may have learned to feel normal Ki, but that was never said. He said he thought he would defeat Goku with a coup precisely because he had no sense of either his power or his power

I am not. I am just saying that Freeza has prove himself to be a genius as well and Vegeta figured out how to sense energy without any training just by knowing it was possible.

He sensed Goku as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That was stated in the text and it was never implied that someone can sense god ki, but not sense normal ki.

It is obvious that if he can feel the divine Ki, he can also feel the normal Ki. What I am saying is that to experience the divine Ki there is a specific training. Even Vegeta, who learned to feel normal Ki alone, needed Whis. Freeza had no idea that he would face someone who possessed this Ki.
For what reason would he simply remember to try to learn? If Frieza says "Judging by the energy I am sensing" then this may refer so much that he is feeling the energy of Goku, as by his own energy, since he said that he had no dimension of his powers

[Zamasu55]

So Muten's going to use the Mafuuba. Interesting, he could be way more useful than I thought.

Tien on the other hand is doomed. He'll be the first to fall down, no doubts here.

[precita]

So Muten's going to use the Mafuuba. Interesting, he could be way more useful than I thought.

Tien on the other hand is doomed. He'll be the first to fall down, no doubts here.

As long as he gets at least one win, I won't mind. I do think every main character should be shown beating someone before they inevitably go down, otherwise what's the point.

[Basako]

So Muten's going to use the Mafuuba. Interesting, he could be way more useful than I thought.

Tien on the other hand is doomed. He'll be the first to fall down, no doubts here.

The Mafuba or you mean the Bankoku whatever? He is using the Mafuba in the ending song, but that would kill him. What he used against Ten and Yajirobe is the Bankoku.

Yeah, Ten is a firm candidate to fall first, even if Roshi is weaker, those kind of characters usually last more. But I don't mind, as long as they get some good fights before that.

[Ki Breaker]

So Muten's going to use the Mafuuba. Interesting, he could be way more useful than I thought.

Tien on the other hand is doomed. He'll be the first to fall down, no doubts here.

The Mafuba or you mean the Bankoku whatever? He is using the Mafuba in the ending song, but that would kill him. What he used against Ten and Yajirobe is the Bankoku.

Yeah, Ten is a firm candidate to fall first, even if Roshi is weaker, those kind of characters usually last more. But I don't mind, as long as they get some good fights before that.

He said the Mafuba and the thunder shock are useful for the tournament..
It won't kill him if all he does is throw the guy out of the ring

[Ki Breaker]

Look me in the eye and say they didn't just get simultaneous orgasms..