"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Android 17, maybe, since we have no clue where he stands during each saga. Botamo can easily take Buu's attack and Megetta tanked attacks from Super Saiyan Vegeta. Also, all U6 have to do is ring out Buu, so he isn't some unstoppable machine. And Gohan wasn't as strong as Goku back then. It took Gohan training with Piccolo again to raise his base form to be equal with Goku for Episode 90. If Gohan was that strong back in the Champa Saga, that would mean Piccolo should be around Super Saiyan Goku's level back then since he could beat up Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, which we know isn't the case giving his fight with Frost and how Goku said he stands no chance against Frost even weakened.

If Android 17 can match Super Saiyan Blue Goku then he'd be fine to stomp the lot of them just one year prior.

Buu is too hax too lose. Not only is he more powerful than the four, none of them are powerful enough to hurt him enough to actually beat him. All they would do is wear themselves out.

Botamo would be the only problem because Buu probably wouldn't think too throw him out the ring. He could always turn him into candy though.

Goku is also stronger by Episode 90 than he was during the Tournament. Piccolo would have beaten Frost if he hadn't cheated. If Base Gohan is comparable to that at all then naturally he'd be 100 times stronger as a Super Saiyan 2.

None of them could stand up to that.

[HeroR]

If Android 17 can match Super Saiyan Blue Goku then he'd be fine to stomp the lot of them just one year prior.

Buu is too hax too lose. Not only is he more powerful than the four, none of them are powerful enough to hurt him enough to actually beat him. All they would do is wear themselves out.

Botamo would be the only problem because Buu probably wouldn't think too throw him out the ring. He could always turn him into candy though.

Goku is also stronger by Episode 90 than he was during the Tournament. Piccolo would have beaten Frost if he hadn't cheated. If Base Gohan is comparable to that at all then naturally he'd be 100 times stronger as a Super Saiyan 2.

None of them could stand up to that.

Current 17. We don't know where he was during the Champa Saga.

Buu isn't that hax and can be beating easily by a ring out. And nothing in the Champa Saga puts Buu near base form Goku.

Piccolo used skilled since everyone said he stood no chance against a weakened Frost. Base form Gohan hasn't been shown to be equal to base form Goku until Epsoide 90. Before, Gohan needed Super Saiyan 2 to fight Piccolo and Goku tanked a blast from Piccolo in his base form.

Seriously, you and others vastly underestimate U6 and wank U7.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm really happy because the stubborn people who refused to admit the leaks were fake are now proved wrong.

I had hoped last week's episode would have been the end of it. For me their was more then enough evidence to prove the leaks fake, but this episode should be the final nail for any last hopers.

It was fake as soon as we got the real episode titles and staff list, people jumped the gun and instead of admitting they did they trying to clutch at straws. Heck the ToP will be well underway and people will probably still believe the "leaks" were real...

[Bullza]

Current 17. We don't know where he was during the Champa Saga.

Buu isn't that hax and can be beating easily by a ring out. And nothing in the Champa Saga puts Buu near base form Goku.

Piccolo used skilled since everyone said he stood no chance against a weakened Frost. Base form Gohan hasn't been shown to be equal to base form Goku until Epsoide 90. Before, Gohan needed Super Saiyan 2 to fight Piccolo and Goku tanked a blast from Piccolo in his base form.

Seriously, you and others vastly underestimate U6 and wank U7.

Buu is very hax, his stamina doesn't decrease, he takes no long lasting damage, he can turn people into candy, he can learn other characters techniques instantly, he regenerates from tiny pieces etc.

Base Goku in the Universe 6 saga wasn't even as strong as Piccolo so he ain't nowhere near Buu.

Whether Piccolo used skill or not, he still had the power to be able to beat him. Frost would be useless against Buu more than anyone, it'd be a guy who can't stay in the form because his power doesn't drop against a guy whose power never drops. He could never beat him unless he threw him out.

Cabba would never have transformed against Buu so he would have been wiped out easy too.

Gohan was already shown to be even to Goku in Episode 70 something.

[HeroR]

Current 17. We don't know where he was during the Champa Saga.

Buu isn't that hax and can be beating easily by a ring out. And nothing in the Champa Saga puts Buu near base form Goku.

Piccolo used skilled since everyone said he stood no chance against a weakened Frost. Base form Gohan hasn't been shown to be equal to base form Goku until Epsoide 90. Before, Gohan needed Super Saiyan 2 to fight Piccolo and Goku tanked a blast from Piccolo in his base form.

Seriously, you and others vastly underestimate U6 and wank U7.

Buu is very hax, his stamina doesn't decrease, he takes no long lasting damage, he can turn people into candy, he can learn other characters techniques instantly, he regenerates from tiny pieces etc.

Base Goku in the Universe 6 saga wasn't even as strong as Piccolo so he ain't nowhere near Buu.

Whether Piccolo used skill or not, he still had the power to be able to beat him. Frost would be useless against Buu more than anyone, it'd be a guy who can't stay in the form because his power doesn't drop against a guy whose power never drops. He could never beat him unless he threw him out.

Cabba would never have transformed against Buu so he would have been wiped out easy too.

Gohan was already shown to be even to Goku in Episode 70 something.

His stamina does decrease. Saying otherwise is fandom. And none of those haxs saved him from a suppressed Beerus.

Base form Goku in the Champa Saga was strong than Piccolo. Nothing puts him over, especially with Goku tanking an attack from a Piccolo who is stronger than ever. And unless you disraged Copy Vegeta, it's laughable to say Buu is stronger than base form Goku during the Champa Saga.

Piccolo had to used a charge attack that killed Raditz, who was over three Time stronger than Piccolo at the time. Also, nothing shows Frost having stamina issues and he ring Buu out. Cabba can also beat up Buu and throw him out of the ring.

Still using Epsoide 70? Gohan had to used Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo. After training, he could fight base Goku who tanked Piccolo who charged an attack for several seconds like he did against Frost. How is Gohan in Epsoide 70 equal to Goku if he needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo when Goku didn't? That's like claiming Krillin is equal to Super Saiyan Goku since he made him go Super Saiyan.

Like I said, a lot of U7 wank especially for Buu, Piccolo, and Gohan. And this chart proves that U6 had better average fighters to U7, showing how much you underestimate them.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'd say piccolo is more popular than Freeza by far.

Not according to ratings. Unless you're talking about this site specifically.

Piccolo is more popular than Frieza everywhere.

If Android 17 can match Super Saiyan Blue Goku then he'd be fine to stomp the lot of them just one year prior.

Buu is too hax too lose. Not only is he more powerful than the four, none of them are powerful enough to hurt him enough to actually beat him. All they would do is wear themselves out.

Botamo would be the only problem because Buu probably wouldn't think too throw him out the ring. He could always turn him into candy though.

Goku is also stronger by Episode 90 than he was during the Tournament. Piccolo would have beaten Frost if he hadn't cheated. If Base Gohan is comparable to that at all then naturally he'd be 100 times stronger as a Super Saiyan 2.

None of them could stand up to that.

Current 17. We don't know where he was during the Champa Saga.

Buu isn't that hax and can be beating easily by a ring out. And nothing in the Champa Saga puts Buu near base form Goku.

Piccolo used skilled since everyone said he stood no chance against a weakened Frost. Base form Gohan hasn't been shown to be equal to base form Goku until Epsoide 90. Before, Gohan needed Super Saiyan 2 to fight Piccolo and Goku tanked a blast from Piccolo in his base form.

Seriously, you and others vastly underestimate U6 and wank U7.

Only Hit is any threat to Universe 7. The 3 Saiyans will be nothing special and just be 3 angry Saiyanals. Botamo is easy to work out. Magetta will be hard for many though. We still have 3 fighters to see from Universe 6.

I think Hit, Toppo and Jiren will be the challenges for Universe 7.

Like I said, a lot of U7 wank especially for Buu, Piccolo, and Gohan. And this chart proves that U6 had better average fighters to U7, showing how much you underestimate them.

If the last 3 members of Universe 6 are not good then Universe 6 will not be very special.

[HeroR]

I'd say piccolo is more popular than Freeza by far.

Not according to ratings. Unless you're talking about this site specifically.

Piccolo is more popular than Frieza everywhere.

If Android 17 can match Super Saiyan Blue Goku then he'd be fine to stomp the lot of them just one year prior.

Buu is too hax too lose. Not only is he more powerful than the four, none of them are powerful enough to hurt him enough to actually beat him. All they would do is wear themselves out.

Botamo would be the only problem because Buu probably wouldn't think too throw him out the ring. He could always turn him into candy though.

Goku is also stronger by Episode 90 than he was during the Tournament. Piccolo would have beaten Frost if he hadn't cheated. If Base Gohan is comparable to that at all then naturally he'd be 100 times stronger as a Super Saiyan 2.

None of them could stand up to that.

Current 17. We don't know where he was during the Champa Saga.

Buu isn't that hax and can be beating easily by a ring out. And nothing in the Champa Saga puts Buu near base form Goku.

Piccolo used skilled since everyone said he stood no chance against a weakened Frost. Base form Gohan hasn't been shown to be equal to base form Goku until Epsoide 90. Before, Gohan needed Super Saiyan 2 to fight Piccolo and Goku tanked a blast from Piccolo in his base form.

Seriously, you and others vastly underestimate U6 and wank U7.

Only Hit is any threat to Universe 7. The 3 Saiyans will be nothing special and just be 3 angry Saiyanals. Botamo is easy to work out. Magetta will be hard for many though. We still have 3 fighters to see from Universe 6.

I think Hit, Toppo and Jiren will be the challenges for Universe 7.

Like I said, a lot of U7 wank especially for Buu, Piccolo, and Gohan. And this chart proves that U6 had better average fighters to U7, showing how much you underestimate them.

If the last 3 members of Universe 6 are not good then Universe 6 will not be very special.

How much money and ratings have Freeza brought in compared to Piccolo?

Right and what else have your crystal ball into the Future showed you? And we saw the U6 Saiyans being more than good since one of them have their own Super Saiyan form and another got Super Saiyan 2 without trying.

[Bullza]

His stamina does decrease. Saying otherwise is fandom. And none of those haxs saved him from a suppressed Beerus.

They literally stated in the series that Buu's power never goes down. Suppressed Beerus isn't Frost, Cabba, Magetta or Botamo, he is on a completely different level entirely from those and Buu's had did allow him to come back for more.

Base form Goku in the Champa Saga was strong than Piccolo.

Neither he or Base Vegeta were a match for an exhausted Frost who Piccolo could have beaten. Vegeta was on par with Base Cabba who was mocked as being too weak to even be there unlike Piccolo.

Also, nothing shows Frost having stamina issues and he ring Buu out.

Frost said he couldn't use his Final Form for long and after fighting Goku said he'd lost that much energy he couldn't even accidentally kill Piccolo anymore. He does have stamina issues.

Still using Epsoide 70? Gohan had to used Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo. After training, he could fight base Goku who tanked Piccolo who charged an attack for several seconds like he did against Frost. How is Gohan in Epsoide 70 equal to Goku if he needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo when Goku didn't?

Why wouldn't I use that episode? They were shown to be evenly matched in that episode. Base Gohan and Goku were shown to be evenly matched in Episode 90. Goku probably should have used SSJ2 then he wouldn't have been ringed out.

Piccolo's attack isn't even that good. Back in Dragon Ball it did zero damage to the guy standing two feet away from him.

And this chart proves that U6 had better average fighters to U7, showing how much you underestimate them.

There's no underestimation. If Frost had never cheated then Goku would have gone through the whole team and would have beaten everyone if he actually wanted to.

[kinisking]

I'd say piccolo is more popular than Freeza by far.

Not according to ratings. Unless you're talking about this site specifically.

I've explained to you multiple times that super has been extremely consistent in ratings, and rarely changes because of what's shown on screen. It's always 6th or 7th with rare exceptions. Freeza isn't as popular in like any poll. I like Freeza just as much as piccolo so I don't really have much bias.

[Lord Frieza]

I'd say piccolo is more popular than Freeza by far.

Not according to ratings. Unless you're talking about this site specifically.

Piccolo is more popular than Frieza everywhere.

Not in the room I'm siting in he's not .

[HeroR]

His stamina does decrease. Saying otherwise is fandom. And none of those haxs saved him from a suppressed Beerus.

They literally stated in the series that Buu's power never goes down. Suppressed Beerus isn't Frost, Cabba, Magetta or Botamo, he is on a completely different level entirely from those and Buu's had did allow him to come back for more.

Base form Goku in the Champa Saga was strong than Piccolo.

Neither he or Base Vegeta were a match for an exhausted Frost who Piccolo could have beaten. Vegeta was on par with Base Cabba who was mocked as being too weak to even be there unlike Piccolo.

Also, nothing shows Frost having stamina issues and he ring Buu out.

Frost said he couldn't use his Final Form for long and after fighting Goku said he'd lost that much energy he couldn't even accidentally kill Piccolo anymore. He does have stamina issues.

Still using Epsoide 70? Gohan had to used Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo. After training, he could fight base Goku who tanked Piccolo who charged an attack for several seconds like he did against Frost. How is Gohan in Epsoide 70 equal to Goku if he needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo when Goku didn't?

Why wouldn't I use that episode? They were shown to be evenly matched in that episode. Base Gohan and Goku were shown to be evenly matched in Episode 90. Goku probably should have used SSJ2 then he wouldn't have been ringed out.

Piccolo's attack isn't even that good. Back in Dragon Ball it did zero damage to the guy standing two feet away from him.

And this chart proves that U6 had better average fighters to U7, showing how much you underestimate them.

There's no underestimation. If Frost had never cheated then Goku would have gone through the whole team and would have beaten everyone if he actually wanted to.

His power clearly goes down as we saw with Beerus.

Piccolo wasn't a match either against Frost, so what's your point?

Frost is also a lair, so why are you taking his word as fact?

And you, once again, ignore context. Vegeta was calling Cabba a weakling to make him mad. Not because he was inferior to Piccolo.

It's pretty obvious that Goku was holding back against Gohan since Gohan before training needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo, while Goku didn't. He took a full blast from Piccolo and didn't need to transform. And base Gohan was shown even then. Meaning if they were really equals in Epsoide 75, Goku would have needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo or at least Super Saiyan. Plus, Gohan called himself stronger than ever which impressed Goku, which would make no sense if they were already even in base form.

Piccolos attack was a charged attack that he held for several seconds. Goku should have at least transformed if he was blocking an attack from Piccolo who choked out Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. And Piccolo is far more experience than he was back during the 23rd World Martial Tourument and Goku and him were equal to boot.

That's because Goku is a strong outlier. Average is more than about one person soloing a team.

[HeroR]

I've explained to you multiple times that super has been extremely consistent in ratings, and rarely changes because of what's shown on screen. It's always 6th or 7th with rare exceptions. Freeza isn't as popular in like any poll. I like Freeza just as much as piccolo so I don't really have much bias.

You can keep saying it but guess what, Super got some of its best ratings in weeks and beat One Piece. And Freeza is top ten in character ranking, so where is this "Freeza isn't as popular in like any poll" coming from?

[Marlowe89]

Kinda strange that Universe 6 is ahead of Universe 7 when Goku and Vegeta beat the whole team by themselves and that was with them holding back against 4 out of the 5 people.

Well, you'd have to keep in mind that there are much weaker players in the game now. With Krillin, 18, Tien and Roshi of all people on the team, I can see why U7's overall percentage would be slightly lower compared to U6. I agree that U6 is nothing special as a whole though; if Buu had participated in the previous tournament I think he would have creamed most of them.

[Lord Frieza]

Well actually it makes some since their team's weaker fighters are on average stronger then U7's, they have a higher chance of having more fighters on the platform when the bell rings.

And thats the big rule of this tournament. Goku, Vegeta and Frieza can be as strong as they like but if one of the other universes has more fighters in the ring when times up they will still lose.

[Bullza]

His power clearly goes down as we saw with Beerus.

There's nothing clear about that. No such thing was said. What was said is that Buu's power doesn't decrease so that's the only thing that's clear till now.

Piccolo wasn't a match either against Frost, so what's your point?

Of course he was a match for him because he could have beaten him. Had Frost not cheated then Piccolo would have won. He might be weaker overall but if he can beat him then he's a match for him. More so in the manga.

Frost is also a lair, so why are you taking his word as fact?

Because that's what was said and nothing contradicted it so I wouldn't naturally believe the complete opposite to be true when we know Frieza had a similar stamina issue just the same.

And you, once again, ignore context. Vegeta was calling Cabba a weakling to make him mad. Not because he was inferior to Piccolo.

It could have just been both. He actually was a weakling and Vegeta told him so to make him mad.

It's pretty obvious that Goku was holding back against Gohan since Gohan before training needed Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo, while Goku didn't. He took a full blast from Piccolo and didn't need to transform.

Goku and Gohan were shown to be equal in Base form. Gohan used Super Saiyan 2 against Piccolo and may well have been the stronger of the two. Gohan obviously isn't going to get dozens of times stronger in an hour or so.

So no Base Goku probably isn't as strong as Piccolo unless you think Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo and that's not gonna be true.

[Cursemark505]

Kinda strange that Universe 6 is ahead of Universe 7 when Goku and Vegeta beat the whole team by themselves and that was with them holding back against 4 out of the 5 people.

Universe 6 is stronger than universe 7 overall though.
Botomo and Magetta were never even defeated in battle.
Hit alone could take out most of universe 7. He was even stronger than a x10 Kaioken ssjg Goku.

[Zamasu55]

Android 17, maybe, since we have no clue where he stands during each saga. Botamo can easily take Buu's attack and Megetta tanked attacks from Super Saiyan Vegeta. Also, all U6 have to do is ring out Buu, so he isn't some unstoppable machine. And Gohan wasn't as strong as Goku back then. It took Gohan training with Piccolo again to raise his base form to be equal with Goku for Episode 90. If Gohan was that strong back in the Champa Saga, that would mean Piccolo should be around Super Saiyan Goku's level back then since he could beat up Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, which we know isn't the case giving his fight with Frost and how Goku said he stands no chance against Frost even weakened.

If Android 17 can match Super Saiyan Blue Goku then he'd be fine to stomp the lot of them just one year prior.

Buu is too hax too lose. Not only is he more powerful than the four, none of them are powerful enough to hurt him enough to actually beat him. All they would do is wear themselves out.

Botamo would be the only problem because Buu probably wouldn't think too throw him out the ring. He could always turn him into candy though.

Goku is also stronger by Episode 90 than he was during the Tournament. Piccolo would have beaten Frost if he hadn't cheated. If Base Gohan is comparable to that at all then naturally he'd be 100 times stronger as a Super Saiyan 2.

None of them could stand up to that.

Botamo can't be turned into candy. He's immune to every attack or beam.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Botamo can't be turned into candy. He's immune to every attack or beam.

We've never seen an unorthodox technique tried on him. For all we know, he's not immune to candy magic.

[Zamasu55]

Botamo can't be turned into candy. He's immune to every attack or beam.

We've never seen an unorthodox technique tried on him. For all we know, he's not immune to candy magic.

" In the anime it is said that Botamo is capable of transferring attacks to another dimension, causing no damage to him, and also not causing attacks to even make him budge thanks to the attack not even connecting. "
Candy beam is an indeed a beam. So how can it work on him. No chance.

[Lord Beerus]

[spoiler]Freeza joining another universe was just a red herring.[/spoiler]