Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

I really hope the x10 was added by Toei and that the script only had a regular Kaioken. Because it wouldn't make sense with how Kaioken works, Goku states he's has a big chance of failing, Vegeta emphasizes he might die. So Goku decides to multiply it by 10, isn't it contradictory?
Could just be mindless hyping. A regular Kaioken could still fit with Goku not surpassing Beerus, since Kaioken is a very unstable form. x10 is overkill.

I'll wait to see if it's also in the manga.

[ZombieVito]

I really hope the x10 was added by Toei and that the script only had a regular Kaioken. Because it wouldn't make sense with how Kaioken works, Goku states he's has a big chance of failing, Vegeta emphasizes he might die. So Goku decides to multiply it by 10, isn't it contradictory?
Could just be mindless hyping. A regular Kaioken could still fit with Goku not surpassing Beerus, since Kaioken is a very unstable form. x10 is overkill.

I'll wait to see if it's also in the manga.

We will probably know until mid May.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Beerus: 100,000
-- 10% [vs Vegeta|Goku]: 10,000

Goku [SSG]: 6,000

Vegeta [Mutated SSJ2]: 2,500
-- Galick Gun: 5,000

Goku [RoF]: 15
-- SSB: 7,500

Freeza: 7.5
-- Final form: 15
-- Golden form: 9,000

Goku [U6]: 18
-- SSJ: 900
-- SSB: 9,000
-- SSB + KKx10: 90,000

Vegeta's "mutation" just got way more ridiculous.

What are your numbers for Hit 0.1, 0.2 and 0.5 power ups?

[Marlowe89]

Anyway, isn't there the fact that Hit talks like Goku is getting "three, four... ten" times stronger, though? I can't interpret it in any way other than "SSB Goku gets around ten times stronger".

Two questions, though. Did Hit specifically say "stronger" or was he just sensing a multiplication in Goku's normal ki? Can Hit even sense godly ki?

I don't remember if my second question was already answered in a prior episode, but if he can't, we'd probably have our answer right there.

[Black_Liger]

Anyway, isn't there the fact that Hit talks like Goku is getting "three, four... ten" times stronger, though? I can't interpret it in any way other than "SSB Goku gets around ten times stronger".

Two questions, though. Did Hit specifically say "stronger" or was he just sensing a multiplication in Goku's normal ki? Can Hit even sense godly ki?

I don't remember if my second question was already answered in a prior episode, but if he can't, we'd probably have our answer right there.

I think Hit never had a motive to even raise his ki to get stronger, so he had to learn right away when he saw Goku doing it as he can't transform, atleast that's how I understand it.

[ZombieVito]

Beerus: 100,000
-- 10% [vs Vegeta|Goku]: 10,000

Goku [SSG]: 6,000

Vegeta [Mutated SSJ2]: 2,500
-- Galick Gun: 5,000

Goku [RoF]: 15
-- SSB: 7,500

Freeza: 7.5
-- Final form: 15
-- Golden form: 9,000

Goku [U6]: 18
-- SSJ: 900
-- SSB: 9,000
-- SSB + KKx10: 90,000

Vegeta's "mutation" just got way more ridiculous.

What are your numbers for Hit 0.1, 0.2 and 0.5 power ups?

Well Hit seemed inferior to Goku once he figured out his 0.1 second time skip so he should be at around 8,000. 0.2 and 0.5 are hard to gauge at the moment. 0.5 was not one shotted by Goku so he should be way stronger. Maybe 60,000?

But having said all of that I'm liking Herms explanation way more since I really hate this much bloat. Unnecessary bloat mind you.

[Khin]

For folks who argued pages back due to a claim of Beerus stating that he's can't see Goku's movements.It was Hit who said it,not Beerus.

Apparently there's rumors that Beerus says he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements,but this is something Hit says,not Beerus.

Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'm guessing bad sub timing is to blame for this misconception.

Edit : I just noticed that Herms himself clarified this a page back,i look like an idiot now.

[RandomGuy96]

Having reviewed the episode, I would like to clarify that Hit is the one to say that he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements, not Beerus. Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'd assume these Spanish subs simply got the timing wrong. Anyway, it's not something Beerus says.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

In addition to what LowRyder said, that seems a bit... cryptic. I don't think anyone watching that scene or writing that scene under normal conditions would think it meant anything other than "Goku just got ten times stronger". Plus, this just ties back to the whole "what's going on with Goku's base?" issue. Would x10 Goku's base + his SSG even be a noticeable boost? Per Vegeta's fight with Cabba, the difference between base and SS is implied to be the same as it always has been, and per Beerus's comment on base Goku being weaker than Freeza, the difference between base and SS isn't just different for Super. If the difference between base and SS is x50, and the difference between SS and SSB is very large on its own (let's say x10 off of SS, to at least make it higher than SS3's x8, for an overall x500 boost), then Goku's KK x10 would have only added, like, 2% to the power he already had...

You're right to point out that Hit wasn't immediately pasted, but normally I would assume that's because he was stronger than he was letting on. Then again, I can't really know what the characters are saying, so maybe there's some further context I'm missing here.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But that doesn't really indicates the kids did the fusion right after failing it. Hell, those scenes were arguably a gag since it lead to Krillin breaking the fourth wall and criticizing Tori-Bot for being lazy and photocopying pages.

Piccolo said they would try again in 30 minutes right after Fat Gotenks was formed, and then said the same after Skinny Gotenks was formed. And in both cases, the kids did Fusion immediately after returning back to normal. And just because there were some gags mixed there doesn't make the whole thing a gag.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

If that was the case, how could Hit count the Kaio-ken levels? We learned from him that Goku used Kaio-ken x3, x4, and eventually x10.

[Birusu16]

Having reviewed the episode, I would like to clarify that Hit is the one to say that he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements, not Beerus. Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'd assume these Spanish subs simply got the timing wrong. Anyway, it's not something Beerus says.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

Thank you Herms.

[ssbgoku]

Having reviewed the episode, I would like to clarify that Hit is the one to say that he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements, not Beerus. Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'd assume these Spanish subs simply got the timing wrong. Anyway, it's not something Beerus says.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

Yeah, I like this logic about kaioken only multiplying base power and adding to ssb's power makes much more sense. Also I have so damn enough of these beerus fanboys who claim nonsese that ssb goku and vegeta are nothing to beerus, while denying cleary whis's statement about ssb goku and vegeta teaming up potentialy could take on beerus. It is just plain ridiculous.

Dbs pl:

Whis/vados -15
Beerus - 10
Champa -9.8
(if possible)kaioken x20 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*20) - 9
kaioken x10 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*10) - 8.6
kaioken x4 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*4) - 8.36
kaiokenx3 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*3)- 8.32
kaiokenx2 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*2) - 8.28
hit fp - 8.4
Ssb goku/vegeta - 8.2
Hit against vegeta - 7.8
Golden frieza - 7.5
Saiyan beyond god(bog-rof) - 6.5
Ssg goku - 6
Ssj goku/vegeta - 2
10% beerus - 1
Bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
Enraged ssj2 vegeta - 0.2
Fp Magenta - 0.1
SSj cabba - 0.09
Final form frost - 0.08
Heavily supressed hit - 0.04
Base goku/vegeta - 0.04
Bog ssj3 goku /base cabba- 0.03
Third form frost - 0.02
Heavily supressed frost - 0.01
Mr buu- 0.008
Picoolo - 0.006
Botamo/ first form frost - 0.005

Also Hit isn't powering up like getting stronger, just improving his technique and getting faster as it seems. My preview on the next episode is that Goku looses due to exhaustion and stamina loss due to kaioken.

[buutenks]

I havent watched the episode yet, waiting for subbed to come out.

This is getting funner and funner.

Would be so boring if it was simple.

So, so far it isnt making any sense, which i like.

[dbgtFO]

I find it hard to imagine, that SSB + KK isn't a straight up multiplier of SSB.
Hit points out how it's 3x, then 4x and finally 10x, as shouted out by Goku. If Goku wasn't multiplying his ki like that, then Hit wouldn't be able to determine which level it was either.
So yeah, for me it throws 6-10-15 out for good and I'm actually surprised we got something so blatant to finally discount Toriyama's old comments. It now also seems more likely that the tree to Beerus' castle comparison came straight from Toriyama.
I still have to check out Beerus' and Whis' conversation about the Kaio-ken, when it's posted up in the fact checker, as right now I'm not certain what's exactly stated. It sounds like an implication that Kaio-ken Goku could compete with Beerus, but Beerus apparently also stated how he wanted to see Goku use that cool technique against him.

[Birusu16]

Having reviewed the episode, I would like to clarify that Hit is the one to say that he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements, not Beerus. Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'd assume these Spanish subs simply got the timing wrong. Anyway, it's not something Beerus says.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

Yeah, I like this logic about kaioken only multiplying base power and adding to ssb's power makes much more sense. Also I have so damn enough of these beerus fanboys who claim nonsese that ssb goku and vegeta are nothing to beerus, while denying cleary whis's statement about ssb goku and vegeta teaming up potentialy could take on beerus. It is just plain ridiculous.

Dbs pl:

Whis/vados -15
Beerus - 10
Champa -9.8
(if possible)kaioken x20 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*20) - 9
kaioken x10 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*10) - 8.6
kaioken x4 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*4) - 8.36
kaiokenx3 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*3)- 8.32
kaiokenx2 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*2) - 8.28
hit fp - 8.4
Ssb goku/vegeta - 8.2
Hit against vegeta - 7.8
Golden frieza - 7.5
Saiyan beyond god(bog-rof) - 6.5
Ssg goku - 6
Ssj goku/vegeta - 2
10% beerus - 1
Bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
Enraged ssj2 vegeta - 0.2
Fp Magenta - 0.1
SSj cabba - 0.09
Final form frost - 0.08
Heavily supressed hit - 0.04
Base goku/vegeta - 0.04
Bog ssj3 goku /base cabba- 0.03
Third form frost - 0.02
Heavily supressed frost - 0.01
Mr buu- 0.008
Picoolo - 0.006
Botamo/ first form frost - 0.005

Also Hit isn't powering up like getting stronger, just improving his technique and getting faster as it seems. My preview on the next episode is that Goku looses due to exhaustion and stamina loss due to kaioken.

Nobody's denying anything. That statement doesn't exist in Super. The only time it's EVER mentioned is in the movies.

And SSJB is nothing to Beerus. This episode makes that abundantly clear considering Goku with SSJB+KK x10 is still weaker than Beerus.

[ssbgoku]

Having reviewed the episode, I would like to clarify that Hit is the one to say that he can't see SSB+KK Goku's movements, not Beerus. Hit says this immediately before the camera switches over to Beerus, so I'd assume these Spanish subs simply got the timing wrong. Anyway, it's not something Beerus says.

I'm no big numbers expert, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but maybe SSB and the Kaio-Ken don't "stack". So when Goku's using KKx10, it multiplies his base power (or something) by ten, but this power is simply added to his regular SSB power. That way, it's not just a flat SSBx10. I mean, even without getting into the whole Beerus issue, SSB+KK Goku doesn't instantly kill Hit in one punch or anything like that. In fact, it looks like he'll still be putting up a good fight next episode. So that on its own makes it look like Goku's not rocking a 60+ on the 6/10/15 scale.

Like, maybe:
Goku's base: 0.25
SSB: 7.5 (base x30, because why not?)
SSB+KK: 10 (7.5+[0.25x10])

Or something to that effect. This way, SSB+KK is equal to Beerus in terms of raw power, but has major stamina issues, so Goku's not exactly there yet. Or you can move the numbers around so that his raw power is greater than 10 (but probably not by too much, because again, he's not obliterating Hit), but the stamina issue would still prevent him from beating Beerus in a fight. There, the 6/10/15 scale is intact, the KKx10 is legitimately multiplying something by ten, and Goku still hasn't quite surpassed Beerus and Whis (in keeping with Toriyama's recent comments).

Yeah, I like this logic about kaioken only multiplying base power and adding to ssb's power makes much more sense. Also I have so damn enough of these beerus fanboys who claim nonsese that ssb goku and vegeta are nothing to beerus, while denying cleary whis's statement about ssb goku and vegeta teaming up potentialy could take on beerus. It is just plain ridiculous.

Dbs pl:

Whis/vados -15
Beerus - 10
Champa -9.8
(if possible)kaioken x20 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*20) - 9
kaioken x10 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*10) - 8.6
kaioken x4 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*4) - 8.36
kaiokenx3 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*3)- 8.32
kaiokenx2 ssb goku - (8.2 + 0.04(base)*2) - 8.28
hit fp - 8.4
Ssb goku/vegeta - 8.2
Hit against vegeta - 7.8
Golden frieza - 7.5
Saiyan beyond god(bog-rof) - 6.5
Ssg goku - 6
Ssj goku/vegeta - 2
10% beerus - 1
Bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
Enraged ssj2 vegeta - 0.2
Fp Magenta - 0.1
SSj cabba - 0.09
Final form frost - 0.08
Heavily supressed hit - 0.04
Base goku/vegeta - 0.04
Bog ssj3 goku /base cabba- 0.03
Third form frost - 0.02
Heavily supressed frost - 0.01
Mr buu- 0.008
Picoolo - 0.006
Botamo/ first form frost - 0.005

Also Hit isn't powering up like getting stronger, just improving his technique and getting faster as it seems. My preview on the next episode is that Goku looses due to exhaustion and stamina loss due to kaioken.

Nobody's denying anything. That statement doesn't exist in Super. The only time it's EVER mentioned is in the movies.

And SSJB is nothing to Beerus. This episode makes that abundantly clear considering Goku with SSJB+KK x10 is still weaker than Beerus.

Yeah, you are prime exmpale of what I was talking about ;p. What about whis's statement of goku and vegeta teaming up would potentialy take on beerus. To do this you need to be over 50% of your enemy, each of them. Adding simply kaioken over ssb would make goku 500%. Sorry but your argument doesn't work

[Birusu16]

Yeah, you are prime exmpale of what I was talking about ;p. What about whis's statement of goku and vegeta teaming up would potentialy take on beerus. To do this you need to be over 50% of your enemy, each of them. Adding simply kaioken over ssb would make goku 500%. Sorry but your argument doesn't work

A statement that was only ever made in the movies. That was never said in Super meaning it was clearly retconned. So yes, my argument does work.

[TheMikado]

So now we have an argument that SSB is less than 10% of Beerus????? Yet Rageta gets to this this level??
We have the castle and tree argument overtaking the 6-10-15 scale when RoF said that they could probably take Beerus together which Toriyama had more direct involvement in anyway. So we are supposed to believe the show instead eventhough Beerus is happy they are strong enough to be his playthings in Super.

This is even further splitting the schools of thoughts here and I guess that means no one in universe 6 is God tier except Hit and all that power compared to Beerus stuff from the BoG arc has been retconned?

[ssbgoku]

Yeah, you are prime exmpale of what I was talking about ;p. What about whis's statement of goku and vegeta teaming up would potentialy take on beerus. To do this you need to be over 50% of your enemy, each of them. Adding simply kaioken over ssb would make goku 500%. Sorry but your argument doesn't work

A statement that was only ever made in the movies. That was never said in Super meaning it was clearly retconned. So yes, my argument does work.

Really I will rewatch it to make sure. Also then what about beerus wanting Goku and vegeta being brought into whis's staff to get stronger at much faster rate then after they came out beerus shows interest in fighting both of them and consider it excitting ?

So now we have an argument that SSB is less than 10% of Beerus????? Yet Rageta gets to this this level??
We have the castle and tree argument overtaking the 6-10-15 scale when RoF said that they could probably take Beerus together which Toriyama had more direct involvement in anyway. So we are supposed to believe the show instead eventhough Beerus is happy they are strong enough to be his playthings in Super.

This is even further splitting the schools of thoughts here and I guess that means no one in universe 6 is God tier except Hit and all that power compared to Beerus stuff from the BoG arc has been retconned?

Lol, maybe but to me it was always whis talking about base goku and base vegeta being castle to tree(beerus), not about ssb goku and vegeta. This scale until denied straightly by AKira still works so I am not going deny it until Akira says so.

Either this or it is heavily retconn and there is no consistency anymore so everyone can be as strong as needed. Hell Master Roshi would oneshot whis and vados at once if Akira just need him to do it.

[Birusu16]

Vegeta was never at 10% of Beerus' power. People need to stop saying that. Beerus used 10% to one-shot him. Nothing more.

Goku and Vegeta WEREN'T strong enough to be his play toys in Super. That's specifically stated and the entire reason he told Whis to send them to that training dimension similar to the RoSaT. And yes, the caste/tree argument does take precedence over the 6/10/15 scale at this point as it aligns far more with SSJB + KK x10 Goku still being weaker than Beerus than the scale. And it's in the same continuity that's being run right now (i.e. Super while Whis' statement comes from the two movies) Absolutely nothing suggests that comparison didn't come from Toriyama either.

[dbgtFO]

So now we have an argument that SSB is less than 10% of Beerus????? Yet Rageta gets to this this level??

That would just confirm my thoughts that the 10% line is something a Vegeta fanboy in the writing staff inserted without even thinking about the potential consequences or perhaps they just didn't know at the time, Goku would be using 10x Kaio-ken later on?

We have the castle and tree argument overtaking the 6-10-15 scale when RoF said that they could probably take Beerus together which Toriyama had more direct involvement in anyway. So we are supposed to believe the show instead eventhough Beerus is happy they are strong enough to be his playthings in Super.

This is the Super power levels thread after all. It makes sense to weight material from the show higher than the material from the movies. It just means in the movies Goku was indeed 60% of Beerus' power, but in Super he almost certainly was not just like they changed things like the location of the Birthday party etc.

This is even further splitting the schools of thoughts here and I guess that means no one in universe 6 is God tier except Hit and all that power compared to Beerus stuff from the BoG arc has been retconned?

Seems that way. First time that we get a confirmed case of Toriyama changing his mind about the strengths of characters compared to one another, as the plot progresses, like he said back in an old interview.

He happened to think that SSG made Goku not far off from Beerus, but now with more stories being told, he wants things to develop differently, so he had to bloat Beerus' power even more, because he doesn't want him surpassed just yet.