Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

[Saiyavenger2941]

And quit being so pissy about everything, for Dende's sake. You're bringin' us and just about every thread you post in down, man.

Yep. Sure. It's all me and only me. No one else.

[Kaboom]

Yep. Sure. It's all me and only me. No one else.

Well... yeah, mostly.

[Innagadadavida]

And quit being so pissy about everything, for Dende's sake. You're bringin' us and just about every thread you post in down, man.

Yep. Sure. It's all me and only me. No one else.

Well, at the very least you could try to calm down a little, because that sure wouldn't hurt anything. Then we can focus on these other people that you're talking about.

[SSJ2bardock]

And quit being so pissy about everything, for Dende's sake. You're bringin' us and just about every thread you post in down, man.

Yep. Sure. It's all me and only me. No one else.

Well, at the very least you could try to calm down a little, because that sure wouldn't hurt anything. Then we can focus on these other people that you're talking about.

AND not get this monumentous thread locked.

[MisterFlashdude]

Anyway, there's actually still news' n' stuff. A new still image from an unseen-in-motion portion of Goku and Piccolo's battle has just popped up...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/K ... a-goku.jpg

Isn't that like a much older picture...? Y'kno, from before they decided to reshoot most of the last battle? It had a design for Piccolo that featured a much more elongated skull and a setting that obviously wasn't the setting they decided to go with in the final movie...

[Kaboom]

Isn't that like a much older picture...? Y'kno, from before they decided to reshoot most of the last battle? It had a design for Piccolo that featured a much more elongated skull and a setting that obviously wasn't the setting they decided to go with in the final movie...

It's sure similar... hell, it might be just a split second later in the same flurry of punches, or something.

I don't think we ever were privy to just how much or what parts of the final battle were reshot. It's certainly the same location, just before the special effects.

[omegacwa]

Well, in a somewhat off topic note, inspired by the "failure" of DBE I started writing a more faithful adaptation myself. It's now 273 pages, and will probably finish around 300-350. Which is completely too long to be a real movie(the average movie script is between 90 and 130 pages), but I don't expect it to be made. I'm doing it because I love Dragon Ball, and when I am done I will be sure to post it up on here so all you folks can hate on it.

[Innagadadavida]

I want to write the sequel so bad. I think they have a solid foundation to start Z with. I've been tossing around all kinds of ideas in my head in where they can go. I've basically come up with a combination of the 21st World Tournament with the 23rd, leading right up to Radditz crashing the party forcing three of the strongest contestants (Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo) to team up.

[SSJ2bardock]

I want to write the sequel so bad. I think they have a solid foundation to start Z with. I've been tossing around all kinds of ideas in my head in where they can go. I've basically come up with a combination of the 21st World Tournament with the 23rd, leading right up to Radditz crashing the party forcing three of the strongest contestants (Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo) to team up.

That would actually be a really good way to introduce Kuririn, really unfaithful, but cool.

And also, is it just me or is "Krillin" not being filtered anymore!

[Super Sonic]

I want to write the sequel so bad. I think they have a solid foundation to start Z with. I've been tossing around all kinds of ideas in my head in where they can go. I've basically come up with a combination of the 21st World Tournament with the 23rd, leading right up to Radditz crashing the party forcing three of the strongest contestants (Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo) to team up.

That would actually be a really good way to introduce Kuririn, really unfaithful, but cool.

And also, is it just me or is "Krillin" not being filtered anymore!

Krillin was never filtered.

[Innagadadavida]

That would actually be a really good way to introduce Kuririn, really unfaithful, but cool.

And also, is it just me or is "Krillin" not being filtered anymore!

Convoluted yes, but not unfaithful. Krillin was introduced in the second saga, and here in the second movie. It makes sense in an confusing overlapping sort of way. It's only unfaithful in that Krillin fights Radditz. But that's easily fixed by him not being very useful in the fight.

Also, yes it's just you. Krillin has never been filtered. VegettoEX says it's a valid romanization.

[SSJ2bardock]

Great, now I feel like an idiot, I had just figured anything Funimation changed in the show names-wise was filtered. Oh well, might as well keep using Kuririn.

[Olivier Hague]

When Hollywood or Fox decide to adapt something, it's destined for failure.

Even I wouldn't go that far.

Sure, Fox pretty much came to symbolize everything that's wrong about Hollywood, these past years. And Hollywood adaptations certainly are a mixed bag.
But obviously, there are some people out there who have cracked the super hero comic book adaptations. We're just waiting out for manga / anima adaptations and video game adaptations.

I think the reason there's some "lag" here is pretty obvious: whereas you have a bunch of directors (and even producers!) who grew up reading comics and "get" them, the same can't quite be said for manga and anime. I'm sure there are a couple of such guys out there already, but the lightning simply didn't strike at the right place just yet (because studios' picks are often... well, fucking dumb...). Maybe in 5-15 years?

As for video games... Well, adapting them into movies isn't always a good idea, and even when it could work, it's not necessarily that easy (very different media). As long as studios decide to adapt successful video games without stopping to think about whether or not it would make for a decent movie, we'll get duds. And quite frankly, I'm not optimistic on that front.

[Anonymous Friend]

When Hollywood or Fox decide to adapt something, it's destined for failure.

Even I wouldn't go that far.

Sure, Fox pretty much came to symbolize everything that's wrong about Hollywood, these past years. And Hollywood adaptations certainly are a mixed bag.
But obviously, there are some people out there who have cracked the super hero comic book adaptations. We're just waiting out for manga / anima adaptations and video game adaptations.

I think the reason there's some "lag" here is pretty obvious: whereas you have a bunch of directors (and even producers!) who grew up reading comics and "get" them, the same can't quite be said for manga and anime. I'm sure there are a couple of such guys out there already, but the lightning simply didn't strike at the right place just yet (because studios' picks are often... well, fucking dumb...). Maybe in 5-15 years?

As for video games... Well, adapting them into movies isn't always a good idea, and even when it could work, it's not necessarily that easy (very different media). As long as studios decide to adapt successful video games without stopping to think about whether or not it would make for a decent movie, we'll get duds. And quite frankly, I'm not optimistic on that front.

The problem with adapting video games is that in the game you are constantly doing stuff: moving from place to place or attacking stuff. Most of this would be boring to sit and watch, plus the fact that most movies today want to give you a story and character development or else it gets attacked for being shallow. For example, the Max Payne movie. I never played the games but recently saw the movie and thought it was ok. I've heard some people say that it was very faithful but kinda boring except for a couple of action sequences. The problem lies in the fact that you probably spend the entirety of the game killing hundreds and hundreds of enemies. This is what you do in 90% of games. You have to try to balance every thing out for a live action movie and find that magic that can bring in someone unfamiliar with the property and satisfy fans. This is something that plagues lisensed games.

And why even in martial arts movies, you only get about ten to fifteen of total fighting in a hour and a half movie. I guess this is why I liked Taken so much. Once the daughter gets snatched it does not stop. The action continues until he has her back. This is what needs to be done for these kinds of things but until they decide to do so, we will continue to have the so-so movies.

Someone brought up Watchmen a couple of pages back. That wa something that I was unfamiliar with going into it. I knew that it was a comic book, a very famous and highly acclaimed one at that, the same as 300 (except with 300 you could tell it was gonna be al action from the trailers). Before the movie released, I found out that even though it was a "super hero movie", there was only one character with any actually special abilities and that the heroes were retired. But besides that I really knew nothing else about the property when I bought my ticket.

I don't know, maybe my example isn't really worth anything because I'm predisposed to anything with the discription of "super hero", "super/special power", "martial arts/fighting", and especially "comic book".

When it came with the Dragonball movie, they (like FUNi) thought they had to change stuff whether it was due to time constaints storywise (which was totally valid) or making it appealing to the masses (which is kinda somewhat maybe valid but not really). If you can get passed the "unneccassary" changes (which I beleive on 5% of the fanbase could), the things that plagues this movie is the bad pacing and lack of character development. If we get a sequel, which I would love, I beleive that it will be a better movie with hopefuly more fight scenes. I doubt they would reboot it, unless the series became more relevant again AND go a caliber of director/producer behind it.

[omegacwa]

When Hollywood or Fox decide to adapt something, it's destined for failure.

Even I wouldn't go that far.

Sure, Fox pretty much came to symbolize everything that's wrong about Hollywood, these past years. And Hollywood adaptations certainly are a mixed bag.
But obviously, there are some people out there who have cracked the super hero comic book adaptations. We're just waiting out for manga / anima adaptations and video game adaptations.

I think the reason there's some "lag" here is pretty obvious: whereas you have a bunch of directors (and even producers!) who grew up reading comics and "get" them, the same can't quite be said for manga and anime. I'm sure there are a couple of such guys out there already, but the lightning simply didn't strike at the right place just yet (because studios' picks are often... well, fucking dumb...). Maybe in 5-15 years?

As for video games... Well, adapting them into movies isn't always a good idea, and even when it could work, it's not necessarily that easy (very different media). As long as studios decide to adapt successful video games without stopping to think about whether or not it would make for a decent movie, we'll get duds. And quite frankly, I'm not optimistic on that front.

Honestly, Silent Hill 2 could easily be made into an awesome movie, If it was a fairly accurate adaptation (No character Gender swaps PLEASE!).

Resident Evil was a perfect game to be turned into a movie, too bad they botched it horribly, and then made even shittier sequels.

[Olivier Hague]

Honestly, Silent Hill 2 could easily be made into an awesome movie, If it was a fairly accurate adaptation (No character Gender swaps PLEASE!).

"It had to be done! Everybody knows fathers don't care about their children!"

But I don't know about Silent Hill 2. I mean, there are worse games to adapt into movies, but... For one thing, there are very few characters, and it's not exactly the greatest cast...

Resident Evil was a perfect game to be turned into a movie

In the sense that it was doable, yeah, but what's the point? The "mythology" of the series? Ha!

[omegacwa]

Honestly, Silent Hill 2 could easily be made into an awesome movie, If it was a fairly accurate adaptation (No character Gender swaps PLEASE!).

"It had to be done! Everybody knows fathers don't care about their children!"

But I don't know about Silent Hill 2. I mean, there are worse games to adapt into movies, but... For one thing, there are very few characters, and it's not exactly the greatest cast...

Resident Evil was a perfect game to be turned into a movie

In the sense that it was doable, yeah, but what's the point? The "mythology" of the series? Ha!

Well, there were what, four principle characters in Silent Hill 1, well they managed to make up a whole bunch just for sake of adding people, and they felt it was necessary to make the father look like a moron, and swap out the lead male for a lead female, but leave the cop a women.

I always felt that if they were going to switch out Harry Mason for a girl then the cop, Cybil Bennet, should have been changed to a man. But oh no! Actually whats funny is the producers were unhappy with the lack of a strong male character as well, an originally the script had no men at all apparently.

[Senzu_Bean]

Today I finally watched DBE. I am pleased with the movie though it is too short but it doesn't feel short at all. And I can see now why the movie's budget is small- the Oozaru, even though it doesn't look awful, it is noticeable weak. Regarding the actors/characters they're the best part of the film (Piccolo's design is sheer fantastic) along side with the environments (the around of Gohan's house is wonderful). Plus something that made me wondering is many people complain about the lack of sense of the storyline though for whatever reason I did not share the same opinion.

[Olivier Hague]

whats funny is the producers were unhappy with the lack of a strong male character as well, an originally the script had no men at all apparently.

Yeah, that's all kinds of stupid, indeed. Had they kept Harry, the producers probably wouldn't have asked for the reviled Sean Bean subplot.
(then again, smarter producers wouldn't hurt either, but I guess that generally can't be helped, in Hollywood...)

[Senzu_Bean]

Something I forgot to mention the movie running time is only 81 minutes with credits. Not 85, 89, 100 or what the hell.