"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

Toyotaro gave SSB drawbacks that weren't mentioned at all in RoF and make Goku and Vegeta look stupid for making fun of Freeza's stamina issues mastering Golden. Just another example of typical Toyotaro BS.

Except that didn't happen in the manga continuity. People really need to learn to distinguish continuities.

[ArchedThunder]

Toyotaro gave SSB drawbacks that weren't mentioned at all in RoF and make Goku and Vegeta look stupid for making fun of Freeza's stamina issues mastering Golden. Just another example of typical Toyotaro BS.

Except that didn't happen in the manga continuity. People really need to learn to distinguish continuities.

F happened in the manga, it just wasn't shown. Without it having its own adaptation we just have to assume that it happened the same as in the movie.

[LightBing]

Toyotaro gave SSB drawbacks that weren't mentioned at all in RoF and make Goku and Vegeta look stupid for making fun of Freeza's stamina issues mastering Golden. Just another example of typical Toyotaro BS.

Except that didn't happen in the manga continuity. People really need to learn to distinguish continuities.

F happened in the manga, it just wasn't shown. Without it having it's own adaptation we just have to assume that it happened the same as in the movie.

We don't. Why don't we assume that Toyotarõ would have made FnF in compliance to what he wrote after? Which in my view is the most logical development, he did smalls changes in the BoG arc to make Super Saiyan God permanent.
That's what I like to think, that still doesn't make it true.

Criticizing or praising anything based on assumptions is wrong. Since people don't have anything palpable to lean their opinions on.

[ArchedThunder]

We don't. Why don't we assume that Toyotarõ would have made FnF in compliance to what he wrote after? Which in my view is the most logical development, he did smalls changes in the BoG arc to make Super Saiyan God permanent.
That's what I like to think, that still doesn't make it true.

Criticizing or praising anything based on assumptions is wrong. Since people don't have anything palpable to lean their opinions on.

If F is different in the manga and he didn't tell us that's bad writing on his part.

[LightBing]

We don't. Why don't we assume that Toyotarõ would have made FnF in compliance to what he wrote after? Which in my view is the most logical development, he did smalls changes in the BoG arc to make Super Saiyan God permanent.
That's what I like to think, that still doesn't make it true.

Criticizing or praising anything based on assumptions is wrong. Since people don't have anything palpable to lean their opinions on.

If F is different in the manga and he didn't tell us that's bad writing on his part.

How? He's not contradicting anything, he's working on his own version. He offers the information that the Saiyans got SSJB from training with Whis, which is above SSJG and that they still need to improve, even if that was enough to defeat Freeza.
Not writing in detail about it doesn't make it bad writing. It's even better because he doesn't even give himself the chance to mess up and create plot holes.

[Basako]

We don't. Why don't we assume that Toyotarõ would have made FnF in compliance to what he wrote after? Which in my view is the most logical development, he did smalls changes in the BoG arc to make Super Saiyan God permanent.
That's what I like to think, that still doesn't make it true.

Criticizing or praising anything based on assumptions is wrong. Since people don't have anything palpable to lean their opinions on.

If F is different in the manga and he didn't tell us that's bad writing on his part.

The arc was skipped, he didn't have the chance. It's different because we got more information about the blue form in the next arcs, so he did tell us.

We can't assume the parts that are missing in the first two arcs can be filled with the movies, because they are different continuities with minor and major differences, as the anime is another continuity too. There are three. We just don't know what exactly happened in the Manga RoF, except what was stated by the narrator and the characters. For example, them using the blue form, Freeza being golden or Whis reversing the time, those things were stated.

[TheSaiyanGod]

The manga probably hinted at this with Completed Blue so I'm just gonna assume it's Goku forcing Blue + KK completely into his body.

the manga thing is stupid considering super saiyan blue is already supposed to be a master form of ki control and tranquility. that's officially what it is. made no sense that Toyotaro to do that.

Manga and anime are very different.

This is only valid in the anime.

In creating weaknesses for the SSB transformation, it also opened up possibilities for Goku and Vegeta to overcome, expanding the ways of getting stronger.

In the anime it seems that they have no desire to exploit this, wanting to create a new transformation soon without even demonstrating the potential of SSGSS. Unique features or large increases of power for example.

I'm glad that Toyotaro at least explored more of the potential of the Blue form.
Is one of my favorite shapes and I like it more explained.

In the anime they missed some of this, and they already want another transformation

[Noah]

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New form and/or kaioken? I'm good with that. Also I'm impressed we're actually having shirtless Gokû return.

I'm excited to see Goku with this battle damage again, I don't remember the last time he was shirtless due damage, probably on that crossover spinoff with Toriko and One Piece, but desgarding that, the last time probably was in GT

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As you can see it looks completely different to any of his current forms.

Not really. I think if anyone could guess, would say this is like a "Ultra Kaioken" or something

[lord godly da don]

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To me the aura surrounding him looks like all the colors of ki he has used at the bottom white then it turns yellow then reddish orange then a purplish red like kaio Ken and at the top blue sort of like a flame

My prediction is that goku found a way to combined all his ki and unleash it at the some time instead of using normal ki and god ki separately and he achieves this by using the KK

What if he's been using KK wrong this whole time

[Lord Beerus]

The manga probably hinted at this with Completed Blue so I'm just gonna assume it's Goku forcing Blue + KK completely into his body.

the manga thing is stupid considering super saiyan blue is already supposed to be a master form of ki control and tranquility. that's officially what it is. made no sense that Toyotaro to do that.

Manga and anime are very different.

This is only valid in the anime.

In creating weaknesses for the SSB transformation, it also opened up possibilities for Goku and Vegeta to overcome, expanding the ways of getting stronger.

In the anime it seems that they have no desire to exploit this, wanting to create a new transformation soon without even demonstrating the potential of SSGSS. Unique features or large increases of power for example.

I'm glad that Toyotaro at least explored more of the potential of the Blue form.
Is one of my favorite shapes and I like it more explained.

In the anime they missed some of this, and they already want another transformation

To be fair, the anime does explore what happens when you overuse the power of SSJB on two seperate occasions with Goku. And since then, Goku is more conservative with his strength, even as a SSJB. Only pushing himself in more tougher circumstances.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm not surprise if we get a new form. We got SSj Blue in 2015 and SSj Rage & SSj Rose in 2016.

[aravinthan]

New form and/or kaioken? I'm good with that.

Also I'm impressed we're actually having shirtless Gokû return.

Last time when he was shirtless, he was in namek, fighting with Freeza and unlocked SS form. This will be badass too....

[FortuneSSJ]

Universe 6 team looks the most interesting, even our team pales in comparison to how different each character is and how much confidence they are emitting

I just love Caulifla's confidence! She getting hurt will most likely be what triggers Kale.

[Cetra]

Shirtless Goku means someone is going to die. Law of nature.

[Ki Breaker]

Shirtless Goku means someone is going to die. Law of nature.

Vegeta survived it, Vegeta is god

[Cetra]

Shirtless Goku means someone is going to die. Law of nature.

Vegeta survived it, Vegeta is god

WIth Vegeta you are not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Shirtless Goku means someone is going to die. Law of nature.

Yeah that's the vibes I'm getting too, maybe someone breaks the rules and kills Krillin or someone.

Anyway I think Jiren might be a red herring, and the true opponent of Goki is yet to be revealed (mortal stronger than a GoD). Jiren just seems way too obvious for me.

[Ki Breaker]

Jiren getting taken out by hit would be epic..
Then hit getting taken out by the real opponent who is nigrissi ( is that his name I forgot )

[Chuquita]

Maybe you really do die or get hakai'd if you fall out of the ring and that's what causes it.

[Ki Breaker]

Maybe you really do die or get hakai'd if you fall out of the ring and that's what causes it.

There's nothing to catch you down there, maybe you die of suffocation with no air and people on stage watch you slowly run out of breath..
18 going like that should be good enough to give Krillin the necessary boost