Buu Saga Info

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

He just randomly notices the Earthlings dying, Kaio usually needs to search for that type of stuff. He can't see from his realm, he can just sense, when Boo kills the earthlings Kaioshin says "I don't know how he did it".

Maybe Beers told Kaioshin, and/or Kaio about Freeza.

[Mjb1985]

Too bad he never destroyed the solar system. That would have got those lazy gods attention!

So tell me how Kaioshin does his job.

[Kamiccolo9]

Too bad he never destroyed the solar system. That would have got those lazy gods attention!

So tell me how Kaioshin does his job.

I assume that the Kaioshins step in once things get bad enough; that's what I think happen with Buu. He was blowing up planets and stuff, and was completely irrational and never going to stop, so they went to stop him. And the rest is history
With Freeza, he was a bad guy (lol understatement), but he was a natural, flawed being. I think that the Kaioshin's step in only when there is no other alternative. Buu was a pure evil demon created solely for destruction, while Freeza, in the end, was just a really bad guy.
Also, as we see in the manga, and to an even greater extent in the anime, Buu was capable of ripping holes through space and time. This puts him worlds above Freeza, who was stuck to one plane. Buu could threaten the fabric of reality, Freeza was stuck with the relatively mundane act of blowing up planets.

[dbzfan7]

Too bad he never destroyed the solar system. That would have got those lazy gods attention!

So tell me how Kaioshin does his job.

I assume that the Kaioshins step in once things get bad enough; that's what I think happen with Buu. He was blowing up planets and stuff, and was completely irrational and never going to stop, so they went to stop him. And the rest is history
With Freeza, he was a bad guy (lol understatement), but he was a natural, flawed being. I think that the Kaioshin's step in only when there is no other alternative. Buu was a pure evil demon created solely for destruction, while Freeza, in the end, was just a really bad guy.
Also, as we see in the manga, and to an even greater extent in the anime, Buu was capable of ripping holes through space and time. This puts him worlds above Freeza, who was stuck to one plane. Buu could threaten the fabric of reality, Freeza was stuck with the relatively mundane act of blowing up planets.

Freeza was a conqueror more then a destroyer. The kaioshin would have put him down if he was a threat to the universe. Freeza is into genocide, but he would rather rule with an iron fist than destroy. But he still takes pleasure in destroying. Boo wants to see everything destroyed. That's all he will do.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Was this thread about power at first? Is there anybody who thinks that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Gohan? I've read about Gotenks and Goku before, but not Gohan.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I wonder how many planets Freeza actually blew up?

[Mjb1985]

Yea Freeza is basically a businessman. He takes over planets to resell them. That's his business. He's not into the just blow everything up at random mentality Buu is in. He's no different than any empire in our history , just on a grander scale. Plus I get the feeling Freeza has been around for ages. So it makes sense for Kaioshin to know him.

I don't think Kid Buu can distort reality , Super Buu can obviously. I still feel Kid Buu is and Bibidi went to the Kaioshin's planet and took the fight to them. I don't see a problem with going with uncontradicted filler for the most part.

I doubt Freeza has blown up many planets. That would be counter intuitive. Freeza has 79 planets under his control , the only one we know he has blown up is Planet Vegeta. It may be the only one yes blown up.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I wonder how many planets Freeza actually blew up?

I'd estimate around 100 at most and that's pushing it. He likely made most of the planets he conquered his own.

[Mjb1985]

I doubt he's blown up 100. He only has 79 under his control. He's probably blown up 1-5 imo.

[dbzfan7]

Was this thread about power at first? Is there anybody who thinks that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Gohan? I've read about Gotenks and Goku before, but not Gohan.

shhhhhhhhh. We just had a break from that tedious debate. Don't bring it back up.

[Mjb1985]

I generally go with this chain.

Ssj Vegetto
Base Gokan
Buuhan
Base Vegetto
Buutenks
Gohan
Buff Buu
Ssj3 Gotenks
Buuccolo
Super Buu
Ssj2 Gotenks
Ssj Gotenks
Base Gotenks Post
Ssj Gotenks Pre
Ssj3 Goku / Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Evil Buu
Base Gotenks Pre
Good Buu
Ssj2 Goku / Majin Vegeta


So no, I don't consider Goku anywhere close to Gohan or Gotenks.

[RandomGuy96]

I think SS3 Goku is stronger than SS Gotenks (post), SS Gotenks (pre) is weaker than Majin Vegeta (that was actually stated in a guidebook), and Buff Buu is weaker than Gotenks. Other than that I just have the standard Gohan > Gotenks > Super Buu >>> Kid Buu > Goku chain.

[Mjb1985]

Interesting. Goku said Pre Rosat Gotenks was superior to himself so I just go with that. I don't get the impression Gotenks is that much stronger than Super Buu , so for them to notice he is powering up I think Buff's power needs to be above at least Gotenks to warrant a comment.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I don't doubt it, but where does Goku say Gotenks will be stronger than himself? I only recall him telling Boo to wait for them to appear. I know Boo asks if they're strong, but Goku doesn't say anything there. Goku seemed to just focus on the fusion being powerful enough to handle Boo rather than compare it to himself from what I've read.

[Mjb1985]

Goku mentions that Gotenks will be stronger than him multiple times. It is still being cited up until Super Buu arrives at the lookout.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Yeah, I'd like to know where. I don't see him mentioning Pre-rosat Gotenks being stronger than himself anywhere.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Was this thread about power at first? Is there anybody who thinks that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Gohan? I've read about Gotenks and Goku before, but not Gohan.

shhhhhhhhh. We just had a break from that tedious debate. Don't bring it back up.

Oh no, I hope I haven't started something again then.

[Kamiccolo9]

Was this thread about power at first? Is there anybody who thinks that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Gohan? I've read about Gotenks and Goku before, but not Gohan.

shhhhhhhhh. We just had a break from that tedious debate. Don't bring it back up.

Oh no, I hope I haven't started something again then.

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

[Mjb1985]

Goku says it like three times I believe. No one seems to dispute it either.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

These are the quotes I've come across:

Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Emphasis on defeating Boo:

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

Goku is confident enough in their potential to let them fight Majin Boo.

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8, P11.1-3
Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…”

You'd think a quote about Gotenks being stronger than Goku would be there somewhere, but it's nowhere.