Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U.S.?

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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by rereboy » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:45 pm

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Discussed incorrectly. It's a "parody" wherein unlicensed intellectual property IS the bulk of said property. If they did their own DBZ animations, or sketches, or whatever, that'd be one thing. Fair Use constitutes stuff like using footage as the piece of, say, an academic presentation. Not "dubbing over the footage we don't own."

Dynaman had to be licensed. A TV studio couldn't have just DUBBED OVER DYNAMAN with no permission just because it was, technically, comedically intended commentary on aspects of Dynaman. TFS may not make direct revenue from usage of said footage, but they still have cultivated a brand identity (and revenue product) deriving from this unlicensed footage. They could not reasonably defend themselves.
No. Abridged only uses portions of the footage of the original work and portions of the audio. They didn't just take the audio and replaced it, like you seem to suggest. They took portions of it and entirely reworked it into a transformative parody. And fair use protects the use of portions of the original work as long as its within the parameters of fair use. Of course, its perfectly possible for a court to rule it as outside of fair as fair use relies heavily on the analysis of every case, but it nowhere near as clear as you are saying.

Like I said, the main problem is actually defending your position against companies with deep pockets. "Sane" people just drop it instead of getting into a mess, no matter how defensible their position is.

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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Videlphia76ers » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:24 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:Just wanted to remind people: We do not make ad revenue off of the DBZA episodes, or the Hellsing episodes. Shirts sold alongside it, yes, as well as our side videos such as Let's Plays, Episode Breakdowns, etc.
You're still infringing copyright whether you get revenue or not. Companies WILL be less stressed if you claim to not make money, but you link the T-Shirt store right in the description which raises the alert level if anyone checks. Funimation knows you guys exist and they haven't taken action because they don't see what you're doing as much of a financial threat but if you were to expand to Smosh numbers or sign a funding deal you'd have a much higher chance of getting smacked with a lawsuit pretty hard.

Again, when education is involved all of what I said goes out the window and you're totally safe, but I'm sorry to say that Ghost Nappa ain't teaching me shit.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by KaiserNeko » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:34 pm

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KaiserNeko wrote:Just wanted to remind people: We do not make ad revenue off of the DBZA episodes, or the Hellsing episodes. Shirts sold alongside it, yes, as well as our side videos such as Let's Plays, Episode Breakdowns, etc.
You're still infringing copyright whether you get revenue or not. Companies WILL be less stressed if you claim to not make money, but you link the T-Shirt store right in the description which raises the alert level if anyone checks. Funimation knows you guys exist and they haven't taken action because they don't see what you're doing as much of a financial threat but if you were to expand to Smosh numbers or sign a funding deal you'd have a much higher chance of getting smacked with a lawsuit pretty hard.

Again, when education is involved all of what I said goes out the window and you're totally safe, but I'm sorry to say that Ghost Nappa ain't teaching me shit.
I am aware of all of this. I wanted to make sure things were clear to people on the details, that's all. Wasn't trying to imply we were more or less well off legally in terms of copyright infringement, I just noticed that a couple people here seemed to think we were monetizing the show and wanted to clarify.

Funny enough though: The Ghost Nappa shirt is actually likely to be protected as parody due to it being 100% original art and it being transformative. We did our research on the shirts.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Videlphia76ers » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:47 pm

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KaiserNeko wrote:Just wanted to remind people: We do not make ad revenue off of the DBZA episodes, or the Hellsing episodes. Shirts sold alongside it, yes, as well as our side videos such as Let's Plays, Episode Breakdowns, etc.
You're still infringing copyright whether you get revenue or not. Companies WILL be less stressed if you claim to not make money, but you link the T-Shirt store right in the description which raises the alert level if anyone checks. Funimation knows you guys exist and they haven't taken action because they don't see what you're doing as much of a financial threat but if you were to expand to Smosh numbers or sign a funding deal you'd have a much higher chance of getting smacked with a lawsuit pretty hard.

Again, when education is involved all of what I said goes out the window and you're totally safe, but I'm sorry to say that Ghost Nappa ain't teaching me shit.
I am aware of all of this. I wanted to make sure things were clear to people on the details, that's all. Wasn't trying to imply we were more or less well off legally in terms of copyright infringement, I just noticed that a couple people here seemed to think we were monetizing the show and wanted to clarify.

Funny enough though: The Ghost Nappa shirt is actually likely to be protected as parody due to it being 100% original art and it being transformative. We did our research on that the shirts.
Well that last part you are technically right on, but when a grey area (created when you used the word "likely") comes up, whoever has deeper pockets for the better lawyer's winning that one (If you're Toei rich then you're doing pretty good for yourself). Like you haven't been taken to court over it yet, but I'm sure you realize that if a bigger organization like Adidas, Bape, or Not Human dropped a Goku (even altered in a comedic form) shirt without Funimation/Toei's permission you would hear about a court case or two.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Attitudefan » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:53 am

That's the thing, TFS is prone to a court case or some heavy fines if they were confronted about it. Honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by soulnova » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:28 pm

Well... I have come to love Vegeta's TFS voice and accept it as the "official" version on my head. Every time I imagine English!Vegeta saying something it is THAT version of his voice.

My friends and me always wait for the new episodes with excitement. People I know that have seen it, love it too.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Zephyr » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:49 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
They seem like they're on good terms with, at the very least, some of the staff at FUNimation. Why would they be on good terms if they were damaging the brand's reputation/image? Why would they be confronted about all of this if there's no damage being done to the brand's reputation/image? Why would you be surprised that something unlikely to happen has yet to happen?

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:58 pm

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Attitudefan wrote:Honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
They seem like they're on good terms with, at the very least, some of the staff at FUNimation. Why would they be on good terms if they were damaging the brand's reputation/image? Why would they be confronted about all of this if there's no damage being done to the brand's reputation/image? Why would you be surprised that something unlikely to happen has yet to happen?
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Zephyr » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:24 pm

Didn't Justin Cook also guest star in their Tree of Might special?

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:34 pm

Zephyr wrote:Didn't Justin Cook also guest star in their Tree of Might special?
I think Kyle Hebert did Santa. May wanna check the credits dont quote me on that.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Zephyr » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:43 pm

Ah you're right. It was Kyle Hebert. Got their names mixed up for some reason.

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Post by Puto » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:57 pm

And didn't Chris Sabat play Captain Kirk in the season 1 finale?
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:34 pm

Puto wrote:And didn't Chris Sabat play Captain Kirk in the season 1 finale?
Naw, that was Ganxingba. Sabat has never done any voice in the show.

DJSexidillionaire, on the other hand, has. (Look at that name on Google.)
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Post by Mewzard » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:42 pm

You're totally right Kaiser, I don't know what they were thinking... :wink:

You guys entertain the fans, that's not damaging to the reputation. It's a good thing, which is why I've enjoyed it since the beginning (Hell, I've enjoyed YGO:TAS since around the time episode 8 or 9 debuted, so of course I followed all you guys' shows prior to DBZA...*enjoyed Lupin the 3rd Abridged*).

Chris Sabat certainly loves it, and Kyle Hebert seems to as well. You guys don't have anyone among the Z cast who feels about your show like Eric Stuart does for YGO:TAS, do you (voice of Kaiba, really does not seem to like YGO:TAS at all)?

Also, I know it's a long way off, but I'm looking forward to Little Kuriboh's return as Freeza for the new movie...his filler appearances will be fun since you'll probably get to them post the movie's release.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U

Post by Attitudefan » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:13 pm

Kind of ironic since FUNimation's dub has damaged the franchise in the English speaking world since it has alienated fans in how the story and characters are, what they say, how they should act and sound. I mean, their dub is a joke in the first place, not far off from an abridged version.

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Freeza and his voice.......
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:15 pm

That's just it though - FUNimation's old dub didn't damage the series, because it clearly still has a huge fanbase here and makes tons of money; more money than most anime get to make in the US.

Now, did it damage the fanbase? Ohhhhhhhh yeaaaahhhh. Did it damage it's reputation? That's...still slightly debatable, as opinions on DB in general already vary wildly between anime fan to anime fan.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:50 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Kind of ironic since FUNimation's dub has damaged the franchise in the English speaking world since it has alienated fans in how the story and characters are, what they say, how they should act and sound. I mean, their dub is a joke in the first place, not far off from an abridged version.

"That's one whopper of a lizard!" "Kay-o-Ken" "I do plenty of push ups and drink lots of juice"

Freeza and his voice.......
I don't see how "Kay-O-Ken" could turn someone off from a show that they otherwise like, especially when the people hearing it didn't know what the word sounded like anyway, aside from those who already watched the Japanese version. And I like the juice line :lol:

Your point is otherwise taken, though.
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Post by Videlphia76ers » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:28 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Kind of ironic since FUNimation's dub has damaged the franchise in the English speaking world since it has alienated fans in how the story and characters are, what they say, how they should act and sound. I mean, their dub is a joke in the first place, not far off from an abridged version.

"That's one whopper of a lizard!" "Kay-o-Ken" "I do plenty of push ups and drink lots of juice"

Freeza and his voice.......
If you're speaking in terms of the general audience let's be real, Toei's anime adaptation as a whole was rushed, poorly directed, and has survived off of both nostalgia (from both sides of the world) and the amazing themes/storyline Toriyama created within the manga.
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Post by ABED » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:54 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:That's just it though - FUNimation's old dub didn't damage the series, because it clearly still has a huge fanbase here and makes tons of money; more money than most anime get to make in the US.

Now, did it damage the fanbase? Ohhhhhhhh yeaaaahhhh. Did it damage it's reputation? That's...still slightly debatable, as opinions on DB in general already vary wildly between anime fan to anime fan.
We can't point a parallel universe and see what would have been had we gotten a dub the quality of Kai or DBZ movies 1-3 from the beginning. I think had that been the case, the casual fans would've still been there, and there probably would've been more hardcore original fans.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:57 pm

If Funimation*, 4Kids and Toei couldnt ruin DB what hope does a bunch of nerds(TFS) have? (They even worked TOGETHER at one point and that venture INTRODUCED EVEN MORE PEOPLE to the franchise, that's how inkillable DB is).

While I AM SICK of all their sycophant fans who worship them and take their word as THE ONE TRUTH, and that MasakoX's portrayal is (IMHO) TERRIBLE and really unfitting for anything other than a Comedy Web Show, they havent harmed the franchise.


...Ok I dont hate TFS. Some of the jokes they make are hilarious.


*I love Funimation but even they didnt treat DB well. And even if they are great at dubbing now, their redub of One Piece meant death for the fandom in Latin America since they dont have a international branch like most other dubbing companies...

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