Live Action Movie Thread

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:01 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
omegacwa wrote:What they did to Goku and Chi Chi's origins is far more of a crime than changing Piccolo's skin tone and dropping the antenna..
Even saying that is kind of a stretch. For all we know, Chi-chi still comes from nobility (which would certainly explain her insta-popularity, regardless of her previous company... like Goku), and Goku was raised, home-schooled to some degree, and taught martial arts off in the mountains (which based off shots we've seen of Gohan's dusty, rustic home, is probably the case) until Gohan decided to enroll him in an actual school for his own good. We only know where these two characters are here and now, and some details of their relationship. We do NOT know where they've been up until this point.

Well, I agree with you Kaboom, but we know less about Piccolo and from what we know, Piccolo's origin and some other things appear to be intact. I am just saying the whole School thing is more of a change than anything done to Piccolo yet people are freaking out.
For the record, i don't care about the school thing as long as it isn't overly stupid.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:03 pm

Ok so what does this movie have going for it ?

The Orange Gi/ The Blue Gi
Orange Gi still has the Kame symbol
Goku uses a staff
Goku still likes to eat a lot
4 star Dragon Ball still retains it's significance
Possible animated portion
Bulma is still a genious
Bulma still meets Goku and they immediately search for the DB's.
Master Roshi is still a perverted old hermit.
Piccolo was sealed using the Mafuba Technique
A tournament
Yamcha is still a bandit living in the dessert

That's all I can think of. Now what DOESN'T this movie have going for it ?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:05 pm

I actually like Goku's live action gi.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:07 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Ok so what does this movie have going for it ?

The Orange Gi/ The Blue Gi
Orange Gi still has the Kame symbol
Goku uses a staff
Goku still likes to eat a lot
4 star Dragon Ball still retains it's significance
Possible animated portion
Bulma is still a genious
Bulma still meets Goku and they immediately search for the DB's.
Master Roshi is still a perverted old hermit.
Piccolo was sealed using the Mafuba Technique
A tournament
Yamcha is still a bandit living in the dessert

That's all I can think of. Now what DOESN'T this movie have going for it ?

This is what I call a good analysis. You forgot to mention the Nyoibo.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:08 pm

*slaps forehead* That's what it's called ! I didn't wanna call it a power pole. It all sounds like Dragon Ball to me. It just doesn't look like what I pictured it to be. If the actors can play the part and the script is good and the pacing of the movie is decent it COULD be good. If Piccolo was green I would have been completely sold but he isn't so...gotta wait for a trailer to make a solid judgment.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:11 pm

Well, Piccolo is still a demon King, and Mai still does have something to do with releasing him. Goku does use the Kamehameha. The whole Mutaito backstory being kept. Roshi still being Goku's master is also a plus. Also the possibility of Kami having a cameo.

Is anyone getting the impression that Yamcha's role might be not very important, considering practically no information about him has been released, and no real pictures or anything for that matter.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:12 pm

Well it is Yamcha after all.

Still the Blue Gi, 4 star ball, and Master Mutaito are all things I really like seeing in the movie. I never would have expected any of those things. They could have easily just gave Goku the 1 star ball or something and went with. I mean you really have to read the manga to know about some of this stuff.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:16 pm

It's spelled "genius." Also, though it's certainly modeled after the Nyoi-Bo, and likely has some significance, since we've seen both Roshi and Goku with it, we don't know if it will retain the same mysticism or abilities as Nyoi-Bo. It could be just a "this well-crafted, ancient staff was passed down to me from my master, and now I'm giving it to you" type of deal. But if it is near-indestructible and can stretch, all the better.

One or two more "plus" points to add:

The student-master relationships and history between Mutaito, Roshi, and Gohan have been retained.
Though some character designs have been altered a bit, everyone's personalities seem to be more or less intact.
Not just Goku's outfit, but Bulma's and Roshi's have been very nicely adapted as well. Piccolo's are cool too.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:17 pm

I weep for Krillin fans world wide. I honestly have no idea how they could fit him in in a sequel....

Wait, Brainstorm, at the beginning of the next movie, Krillin could be introduced as an old friend of Goku's or he could be Goku's or Roshi's (If he isn't dead) student. I could see that working. But honestly, I think we should just forget about Tenshinhan and Chaiotzu at this point.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:20 pm

I can't believe I spelled that wrong. Anyway Piccolo still creates "Demon Kids" to fight Goku, Piccolo still kills Master Roshi, Master Roshi still trains Goku and teaches him the Kamehameha, and that's all I can think of for now. As for Tien and Krillin you never know. I mean SOMEBODY has to fight Nappa and Vegeta when they show up.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:21 pm

omegacwa wrote:I weep for Krillin fans world wide. I honestly have no idea how they could fit him in in a sequel....

Wait, Brainstorm, at the beginning of the next movie, Krillin could be introduced as an old friend of Goku's or he could be Goku's or Roshi's (If he isn't dead) student. I could see that working. But honestly, I think we should just forget about Tenshinhan and Chaiotzu at this point.

Krillin could even get a name drop or something in this movie. I half-jokingly suggested that he could already be a student of Roshi's and is off training on his own in the wilderness or something. Then he shows up in the sequel and is all like, "hey, what'd I miss?" With how much they're already including, I'd find it hard to believe they'd omit someone as important as Krillin altogether. It's a matter of patience.

I've mentioned it before, but Krillin (and Ten) would probably have been just dead weight if he were in this movie. The balance of heroes to villains would end up tipped too far, and it would end up like Spidey 3, with too many characters and substories to try to care about at once. Like I've said, it's likely better to let Roshi (who's gonna die and probably stay dead anyway) and Yamcha serve as Goku's "backup" this first time around.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:21 pm

omegacwa wrote:
Chuquita wrote:I think that's part of it; I mean I could easily poke fun at what they did to Goku and Chi-Chi, but what they've done to Piccolo is embarrassing, humiliating, and completely unprofessional.
Well, you are going way overboard. What they did to Goku and Chi Chi's origins is far more of a crime than changing Piccolo's skin tone and dropping the antenna. I really don't understand why people are so mad about Piccolo's appearance, seriously what were you people expecting? He looks practically like what I expected minus darker skin tone and antenna. It's not like we didn't know what his costume was gonna look like already, there was that leaked picture months ago.
I mean come on. He has pointy ears, fangs, protruding skeletal structure in the face, ridges that might be small antenna for all we know (the pictures are really small and not great), he is bald, and looks like a demon. Just because his skin isn't the proper color everybody is acting like they were told that their parents died.

I am sorry if I am coming off as an ass, but you people are going way overboard. I mean Kingpin in the Daredevil movie was Black, and he is a white guy in the comics, and it turned out fine, so relax, just because Piccolo isn't the right shade doesn't mean his character won't be portrayed accurately, and that's all that really matters in the end.

And how is it at all embarrassing, humiliating, and unprofessional? His look is fine and looks quite good. Just because it isn't entirely accurate doesn't mean it's any of the things you said. Someone probably worked very hard on Piccolo's redesign while under a tremendous amount of pressure from the studio and some of you people are shitting all over it like you have any idea how much work the people went through. And it's not like Piccolo is that far off, seriously, it's not like he looks like he looks like a teletubie or something.

And to Chuquita, this rant wasn't directed entirely to you, so please don't be offended. I am just sick of hearing this crap, it's out of control.

I'm not offended; we all have our own opinions and that's good. It makes for good discussion. How boring it would be if we all agreed on everything.

What bothers me about them changing Piccolo's appearance is that it seems like a needless change. Like something they didn't have to do, but did for the sake of trying to make Piccolo look more bad-ass.

I don't think he looks more bad-ass. I think he just looks bad.

The only things that really bother me about this adaption are:
-high school and everything related to it.
-adding useless original characters.
-getting rid of Tenshinhan and Kuririn (as they're big plot characters in this arc) and maybe Yajirobe. (I'm most upset about Tenshinhan actually, he has a big important spot in this arc of the story).
-the pick of Chatwin as "Goku" and "Goku's" appearance as a brown-hairred, blue-eyed guy with a very poor adaption of Goku's hair. If they have to ditch Goku's hair (which does make sense, his hair defies 2-D logic) I wish they'd gone with Gohan's Cell Games haircut instead.
-Mai, Bulma, and Roshi's appearances. I can deal with Mai being a shape-shifter, but that outfit.

I'm not prudish, but geez it doesn't seem like something she'd wear at all. It looks very out of character for someone who's constantly dressing in long heavy winter jackets.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:25 pm

As for the possibility of Krillin being Goku's student in the sequel, I simply have to bring up this awesome drawing by Mr. AnnouncerGuy.
http://announcerguy.deviantart.com/art/ ... t-37788491

Man, I wish I had her talent, not only am I older (I think), I went to art school already, ugh.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:30 pm

That picture is awesome ! I wish I could draw like that too. Anyway I think by the end of the movie all the "High School" antics will be forgotten. If there is a sequel I'm sure the High School and the original characters won't ever be brought up again.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:35 pm

Chuquita wrote:What bothers me about them changing Piccolo's appearance is that it seems like a needless change. Like something they didn't have to do, but did for the sake of trying to make Piccolo look more bad-ass.

If there's any validity to this rumor of the green being restored with his youth, then its primary reason would be to better differentiate between his decrepit old self and his younger restored self. I mean, when it happened in the original, there wasn't much physical change at all. His skin got a little more vibrant, and his wrinkles disappeared. If this goes down like I suspect it will, it would be much more of an impact, like "ew, look at the wrinkly, pasty old freak," to "holy s**t now he's awesome."

I can deal with Mai being a shape-shifter, but that outfit.

I like her outfit. <3

omegacwa wrote:As for the possibility of Krillin being Goku's student in the sequel, I simply have to bring up this awesome drawing by Mr. AnnouncerGuy.
http://announcerguy.deviantart.com/art/ ... t-37788491

Krillin as Goku's student?

I hadn't heard that idea before. That'd be... interesting. Would be a clever way to make it happen without Roshi around, too.

And the high school stuff... yeah, how much of THAT have you seen in all of these promotional pics and the new stills from the trailer? Zilch. Amidst all the things like ancient caves, battles in the desert, Grandpa Gohan's house, temples, etc... the most we've ever seen is that one pic of Weaver and Emi. And even that had the eclipse in it, which is relevant to the overall plot. Even though I don't like it being in there at all either, in light of all this, I'd think it would be blatantly obvious just how insignificant the school is.

For Tenshinhan... if memory serves, he wasn't as significant to the Daimao saga as you might think. All he really did was try, and fail, to avenge Chaozu. In the end, he had no more impact against Daimao than he did against Nappa (couldn't even get past Drum). Even his stalling against Cell was more useful, since Cell's pursuit of 18 was a major current plot.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:40 pm

omegacwa wrote:As for the possibility of Krillin being Goku's student in the sequel, I simply have to bring up this awesome drawing by Mr. AnnouncerGuy.
http://announcerguy.deviantart.com/art/ ... t-37788491

Man, I wish I had her talent, not only am I older (I think), I went to art school already, ugh.

That's too damned awesome.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:43 pm

Well much to Kunzait 83's ever growing displeasure....

DBthemovie.com

Chris Sabat is shenron?

Reader Richard contacted the site about two weeks ago claiming that he spoke with Christopher Sabat at Otakon 2008, where he supposedly revealed that he would be voicing Shenron in the live action movie.

I was able to talk to him at Otakon (a huge anime convention) a few weeks ago, and I was talking to him about the live action movie and he said he’s pretty excited since he is voicing Shenron in the film. He then went on joking about how he’s becoming a A-list actor thanks to his Shenron role. He pretty much confirmed to me and a few others he’s lending his voice for Shenron in the film.

Unfortunately I did not record him saying it. While it was new to me, I assumed it (the casting of the character) was common knowledge to the internet community and websites like IMDB and Yahoo movies, so I didn’t really think much of it. Quite frankly, I’m surprised that these websites didn’t know about this. I’ll be at Dragon-Con in a few days, I don’t think Sabat will be at Dragon-Con, but if he is I’ll ask him again on film.

The information was added to Wikipedia and also IMDB just recently, and it personally wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out to be true. Christopher Sabat is one of the English voice actors for Dragonball, known for doing Vegeta, Piccolo, and Shenron to name a few.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:53 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
omegacwa wrote:As for the possibility of Krillin being Goku's student in the sequel, I simply have to bring up this awesome drawing by Mr. AnnouncerGuy.
http://announcerguy.deviantart.com/art/ ... t-37788491
Krillin as Goku's student?

I hadn't heard that idea before. That'd be... interesting. Would be a clever way to make it happen without Roshi around, too.

I think that would be pretty cool too. Maybe he'd be a kid around Gohan's age? It'd make it easier to have him be around Gohan's height, and would help the friendship they have seem not as creepy to the average joe.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:04 pm

Taku128 wrote:I think that would be pretty cool too. Maybe he'd be a kid around Gohan's age? It'd make it easier to have him be around Gohan's height, and would help the friendship they have seem not as creepy to the average joe.

And since I don't think we'll be getting a movie-fied Buu saga, that'd give us a quasi-Uub character in Krillin, too.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:24 pm

Not that many care but this was Sabat on his hopes for the Dragonball film.

Honestly, I am trying not to care much about the film. I will be happy if the rumors of Sabat joining the cast are true. I do not blame the dub on the actors, I blame it on the writing direction and I'm forced to cut them some slack as the dub comes from roots in the Great Age of Anime Americanization. While I agree some of the voice work is not exactly great--espicially the old recordings--the voices have legions of fans and are not trying to bring fans of the original casts any sort of pain.