"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Man what a crazy day for spoilers can barely get work done....

I know right..
Client says product is to be delivered by tomorrow and here I am speculating if Krillin gets to kick ass or not

[Akyon]

Well that was disappointing. For multiple reasons;

So Krillin was built up to fake out a sense of it being shocking when he's the first fighter out?
Not only that in doing so, we have a kind of crappy end to a genuinely decent character arc. Krillin gets his groove back and proves himself a tactical genius against Goku and Gohan to...get disqualified in the first few minutes by killing an opponent with his trademark move that never hits.
Krillin. The guy who Goku claims has better ki control than even himself. The guy who was entrusted to form a Spirit Bomb, the guy who was able to sense just how strong Perfect Cell was from being hit once and realised he had strength in spades...forgot that his Kienzan is a kill move?

And meanwhile Goku takes out all of Universe 9 without any help.
The idea of teamwork and being able to make use of weaker fighters with their skills to overcome tougher foes is deader than Gyum. And that actually saddens me more than the stuff with Krillin. Power is once again the only thing that matters; fuck tactics, special abilities and skills. It's all about power.

The recruitment episodes focus points really were a load of bullshit, huh?

It seems to me like you are having delusions of grandeur when it comes to Krillin. You sound a little too biased..

For starters, Goku doesn't take out U9 by himself. He has HELP. From what we know already it's him and Vegeta who take them out.

You're right about one thing. It's essentially about power. teamwork doesn't work if it's an overwhelmingly strong opponent. That's why Gohan and Piccolo need to be with Krillin, Tien and Roshi. If any of the humans were to go off on their own, they'd get completely stomped. Which seems to be what Krillin did. He left the bee hive to go save his wife. Essentially sacrificing himself.

Krillins episodes were just filler to prepare for the tournament. You can't really expect a guy who took 7 years off from fighting, briefly fought majin buu, retired AGAIN from fighting and recently started "lifting weights" to get back into shape to really stand a chance against people in a multi-universe brawl?

I know it says he gets disqualified, but I'm going to wait and see if he actually kills someone.

There's a difference between cutting someone in half and then dying and cutting someone up who can still move around like Majin Buu. For all we know the guy he kills is just faking death.

It's not just bias, although I'll admit the Krillin bias IS there.
It's just a basic story writing principle. You don't build up a character just to subvert expectation all the time. I was as mad when they did it with Buu(both times), a character I don't really care for, and confused as fuck when they did weeks of Yamcha cutaways during the recruitment arc and the big payoff was...he's absolutely fine with not being included? Not even a punchline or him looking shocked at Frieza replacing him. It's just weird.

Having an episode dedicated to showing what a tactical genius Krillin is supposed to be and how experienced he is at following tournament rules, and then suddenly having him use a kill move(twice no less if we include last week) in a no kill tournament makes him seem like two completely different written characters.
Obviously we'll see how it plays out, after all Frieza returning sounded dreadful too in the spoilers and I'm hoping he at least gets one nice moment prior, but at the moment from this spoiler alone this sounds like two very opposite characters that have been written.
It'd be like if Hit suddenly lost later down the line because he lost his focus due to chatting to Cabba about the girls they liked. Just bizarre.

Regarding the Goku gets Help thing, it appears I read an earlier spoiler on that one since it sounded very much like Goku elimated in U9 everyone by himself. I'll wait and see, but the team work part is less 'team work' at current as you pointed out and more 'babysitting'.

[precita]

Well that was disappointing. For multiple reasons;

So Krillin was built up to fake out a sense of it being shocking when he's the first fighter out?
Not only that in doing so, we have a kind of crappy end to a genuinely decent character arc. Krillin gets his groove back and proves himself a tactical genius against Goku and Gohan to...get disqualified in the first few minutes by killing an opponent with his trademark move that never hits.
Krillin. The guy who Goku claims has better ki control than even himself. The guy who was entrusted to form a Spirit Bomb, the guy who was able to sense just how strong Perfect Cell was from being hit once and realised he had strength in spades...forgot that his Kienzan is a kill move?

And meanwhile Goku takes out all of Universe 9 without any help.
The idea of teamwork and being able to make use of weaker fighters with their skills to overcome tougher foes is deader than Gyum. And that actually saddens me more than the stuff with Krillin. Power is once again the only thing that matters; fuck tactics, special abilities and skills. It's all about power.

The recruitment episodes focus points really were a load of bullshit, huh?

It seems to me like you are having delusions of grandeur when it comes to Krillin. You sound a little too biased..

For starters, Goku doesn't take out U9 by himself. He has HELP. From what we know already it's him and Vegeta who take them out.

You're right about one thing. It's essentially about power. teamwork doesn't work if it's an overwhelmingly strong opponent. That's why Gohan and Piccolo need to be with Krillin, Tien and Roshi. If any of the humans were to go off on their own, they'd get completely stomped. Which seems to be what Krillin did. He left the bee hive to go save his wife. Essentially sacrificing himself.

Krillins episodes were just filler to prepare for the tournament. You can't really expect a guy who took 7 years off from fighting, briefly fought majin buu, retired AGAIN from fighting and recently started "lifting weights" to get back into shape to really stand a chance against people in a multi-universe brawl?

I know it says he gets disqualified, but I'm going to wait and see if he actually kills someone.

There's a difference between cutting someone in half and then dying and cutting someone up who can still move around like Majin Buu. For all we know the guy he kills is just faking death.

It's not just bias, although I'll admit the Krillin bias IS there.
It's just a basic story writing principle. You don't build up a character just to subvert expectation all the time. I was as mad when they did it with Buu(both times), a character I don't really care for, and confused as fuck when they did weeks of Yamcha cutaways during the recruitment arc and the big payoff was...he's absolutely fine with not being included? Not even a punchline or him looking shocked at Frieza replacing him. It's just weird.

Having an episode dedicated to showing what a tactical genius Krillin is supposed to be and how experience he is at following tournament rules, and then suddenly having him use a kill move(twice no less if we include last week) in a no kill tournament makes him seem like two completely different written characters.
Obviously we'll see how it plays out, after all Frieza returning sounded dreadful too in the spoilers and I'm hoping he at least gets one nice moment prior, but at the moment from this spoiler alone this sounds like two very opposite character that have been written.
It'd be like if Hit suddenly lost later down the line because he lost his focus due to chatting to Cabba about the girls they liked. Just bizarre.

Regarding the Goku gets Help thing, it appears I read an earlier spoiler on that one since it sounded very much like Goku elimated in U9 everyone by himself. I'll wait and see, but the team work part is less 'team work' at current as you pointed out and more 'babysitting'.

I agree with you, let's just hope Krillin takes out 5 guys before he goes out.

[Jigurashi]

Man, now I'm scared shitless what they will do with Piccolo. There's no hype for him in this tournament at all.

True, but Kuririn, a hyped character is going early. All bets seem to be off for anyone who isn't Goku and Gohan.

[omaro34]

Man what a crazy day for spoilers can barely get work done....

I know right..
Client says product is to be delivered by tomorrow and here I am speculating if Krillin gets to kick ass or not

HAHA I don't blame you. You can tell your client it's Toei's fault

[omaro34]

Man what a crazy day for spoilers can barely get work done....

Spoilers hit you that hard huh... cant blame yah, I cant sleep because of those spoilers and what could happen.

It's great time to be a Dragonball fan that's for sure. I haven't felt like this in a long long time.

[MasterofSix]

Instead of being wracked with frustration like some people, I'm going be patient. So I'll wait and see. Krillin disqualifying himself by killing someone sounds unreal, so I'm hoping there's more to this episode. I wanted to see come combo techniques with Krillin/18/17 or Krillin/Tien/Roshi but I guess that might not happen. With Kale, I can imagine Goku defending a storm of ki blasts from her, and all the poor bastards who are caught unaware, getting blown from the arena. Alright Super, you managed to execute Frieza's inclusion well, let's see how you do with this.

[TheOne]

Well that was disappointing. For multiple reasons;

So Krillin was built up to fake out a sense of it being shocking when he's the first fighter out?
Not only that in doing so, we have a kind of crappy end to a genuinely decent character arc. Krillin gets his groove back and proves himself a tactical genius against Goku and Gohan to...get disqualified in the first few minutes by killing an opponent with his trademark move that never hits.
Krillin. The guy who Goku claims has better ki control than even himself. The guy who was entrusted to form a Spirit Bomb, the guy who was able to sense just how strong Perfect Cell was from being hit once and realised he had strength in spades...forgot that his Kienzan is a kill move?

And meanwhile Goku takes out all of Universe 9 without any help.
The idea of teamwork and being able to make use of weaker fighters with their skills to overcome tougher foes is deader than Gyum. And that actually saddens me more than the stuff with Krillin. Power is once again the only thing that matters; fuck tactics, special abilities and skills. It's all about power.

The recruitment episodes focus points really were a load of bullshit, huh?

It seems to me like you are having delusions of grandeur when it comes to Krillin. You sound a little too biased..

For starters, Goku doesn't take out U9 by himself. He has HELP. From what we know already it's him and Vegeta who take them out.

You're right about one thing. It's essentially about power. teamwork doesn't work if it's an overwhelmingly strong opponent. That's why Gohan and Piccolo need to be with Krillin, Tien and Roshi. If any of the humans were to go off on their own, they'd get completely stomped. Which seems to be what Krillin did. He left the bee hive to go save his wife. Essentially sacrificing himself.

Krillins episodes were just filler to prepare for the tournament. You can't really expect a guy who took 7 years off from fighting, briefly fought majin buu, retired AGAIN from fighting and recently started "lifting weights" to get back into shape to really stand a chance against people in a multi-universe brawl?

I know it says he gets disqualified, but I'm going to wait and see if he actually kills someone.

There's a difference between cutting someone in half and then dying and cutting someone up who can still move around like Majin Buu. For all we know the guy he kills is just faking death.

It's not just bias, although I'll admit the Krillin bias IS there.
It's just a basic story writing principle. You don't build up a character just to subvert expectation all the time. I was as mad when they did it with Buu(both times), a character I don't really care for, and confused as fuck when they did weeks of Yamcha cutaways during the recruitment arc and the big payoff was...he's absolutely fine with not being included? Not even a punchline or him looking shocked at Frieza replacing him. It's just weird.

Having an episode dedicated to showing what a tactical genius Krillin is supposed to be and how experience he is at following tournament rules, and then suddenly having him use a kill move(twice no less if we include last week) in a no kill tournament makes him seem like two completely different written characters.
Obviously we'll see how it plays out, after all Frieza returning sounded dreadful too in the spoilers and I'm hoping he at least gets one nice moment prior, but at the moment from this spoiler alone this sounds like two very opposite character that have been written.
It'd be like if Hit suddenly lost later down the line because he lost his focus due to chatting to Cabba about the girls they liked. Just bizarre.

Regarding the Goku gets Help thing, it appears I read an earlier spoiler on that one since it sounded very much like Goku elimated in U9 everyone by himself. I'll wait and see, but the team work part is less 'team work' at current as you pointed out and more 'babysitting'.

I understand. Maybe the writers don't want everything to be too predictable?

In a way I think it's kinda realistic when comparing it to life. Sometimes you feel like the stars are aligning for you when it comes to a job interview, or when you have a good feeling something great is going to happen. Only to find out you don't get the job even after an amazing interview or something like that. I know it seems like a waste, but that's how I try to see it. Things don't always go as we planned. I'm sure Krillin had a plan, but got changed the second his wife was in danger.

[precita]

Man what a crazy day for spoilers can barely get work done....

Spoilers hit you that hard huh... cant blame yah, I cant sleep because of those spoilers and what could happen.

It's great time to be a Dragonball fan that's for sure. I haven't felt like this in a long long time.

It's only a great time to be a Dragonball fan if the spoilers turn out good or exciting...not negative or heartbreaking.

I almost have the same feeling now as when we first got the news Buu would be sleeping again and not making it to the tournament.

[Lapislettuce]

18 will be fine. The spoilers say that Krillin is first to get eliminated.

I hope that means she'll team up with 17 and wreck some asses in a revenge counterattack.

Actually i don't want these two to team up and was quite happy to see how both went their seperate ways to fight in last episode it was in their character to do so, only future 17 and 18 fought together the present ones never did.

[omaro34]

Spoilers hit you that hard huh... cant blame yah, I cant sleep because of those spoilers and what could happen.

It's great time to be a Dragonball fan that's for sure. I haven't felt like this in a long long time.

It's only a great time to be a Dragonball fan if the spoilers turn out good or exciting...not negative or heartbreaking.

I almost have the same feeling now as when we first got the news Buu would be sleeping again and not making it to the tournament.

Just the constant new information coming out is new to me, I know Super's been running for 2 years now but Dragonball after GT was dead outside of video games for what felt like a lifetime. This feeling of constant new info is just still fresh and new.

[Totamo]

hey, we still have 3 episodes before 100 maybe krillin might do something before then.

[perucho1990]

Predictions:

Goku vs U6 Saiyan Trio (Goku will defeat them which is why Caulifla asks him about SSJB and how to unlock it.)

Vegeta vs Hit II (With the hype Hit has been getting by Toshio I dont see him losing but I could see him take Vegeta seriously unlike what happened in their first meeting, fight ends up interrupted)

[Big Black Sayian]

Predictions:

Goku vs U6 Saiyan Trio (Goku will defeat them which is why Caulifla asks him about SSJB and how to unlock it.)

Vegeta vs Hit II (With the hype Hit has been getting by Toshio I dont see him losing but I could see him take Vegeta seriously unlike what happened in their first meeting, fight ends up interrupted)

Well Vegeta is gonna fight Ribri later on

[Slaythe]

18 will be fine. The spoilers say that Krillin is first to get eliminated.

I hope that means she'll team up with 17 and wreck some asses in a revenge counterattack.

Actually i don't want these two to team up and was quite happy to see how both went their seperate ways to fight in last episode it was in their character to do so, only future 17 and 18 fought together the present ones never did.

I mean, that was a missed opportunity.

17 wants honor in his fights, and wouldn't want to go 2 vs 1 (which he never did, not even in the future, the anime made that up, in the manga he kills Gohan alone).

But if there are more than one enemy then I'm sure he'd do great with 18 ! I want to see that.

[HeroR]

I'm more surprised by the amount of bitterness over Krillin. I guess so many were rooting for him.

I personally see this as an interesting twist and I like Krillin.

[HeroR]

18 will be fine. The spoilers say that Krillin is first to get eliminated.

I hope that means she'll team up with 17 and wreck some asses in a revenge counterattack.

Actually i don't want these two to team up and was quite happy to see how both went their seperate ways to fight in last episode it was in their character to do so, only future 17 and 18 fought together the present ones never did.

I mean, that was a missed opportunity.

17 wants honor in his fights, and wouldn't want to go 2 vs 1 (which he never did, not even in the future, the anime made that up, in the manga he kills Gohan alone).

But if there are more than one enemy then I'm sure he'd do great with 18 ! I want to see that.

He killed Gohan alone in the manga because he had the power to. Not necessarily 'for honor'.

[Jigurashi]

I'm more surprised by the amount of bitterness over Krillin. I guess so many were rooting for him.

I personally see this as an interesting twist and I like Krillin.

I didn't want it to be Kuririn, but I'm completely fine with it if it's executed well. Not to mention, I love how unpredictable it's being.

[perucho1990]

Well Vegeta is gonna fight Ribri later on

Yeah, I still wonder how does it lead to that fight, idk Helles finds Vegeta beautiful which is why she wants Ribrianne to target him?

Veggie vs Brianne
Caulifla and Cabba vs the other 2 kamikaze fireballs girls

Hit might go for Toppo because Episode 101 is about the Pride Troopers.

[FortuneSSJ]

-About the new spoilers-

Goku being the main responsible for the first Universe to get destroyed is something I love a lot! Even though I still believe everything will be undid in the end one way or another, I couldn't be more pleased with his character.

On other hand, Krillin being the first from U7 to be disqualified after all the build-up Toei gave him is something I hate. Let's hope he does something cool before that.

Vegeta going after Universe 6 is interesting, I just hope Hit doesn't lose to him. I would like to see Golden Freeza clash with Hit atfer Frost tell Freeza about him.

I wasn't expecting Jiren to defeat Kale but I wonder if he knocks her out of the arena too or just stops her rampage. The guy is strange, but I would still rather this than Vegeta beat U6 Saiyans again.

Gohan is still stuck with his teamwork plan and the Tournament may end before he does something interesting.