Why is wanting the main character's name being included and said properly elitist? I'd figure that should be the bare minimum.mystic trunks wrote:something about those wanting Son being elitist
It's not the wanting it to be in there, it's the bitching about it not being in there. Elitist fans tend to bitch about minor things like that,things that don't have a significant impact on the show or the furthering the story.batistabus wrote:Why is wanting the main character's name being included and said properly elitist? I'd figure that should be the bare minimum.mystic trunks wrote:omething about those wanting Son being elitist
Read my edit/comparison.mystic trunks wrote:It's not the wanting it to be in there, it's the bitching about it not being in there. Elitist fans tend to bitch about minor things like that,things that don't have a significant impact on the show or the furthering the story.batistabus wrote:Why is wanting the main character's name being included and said properly elitist? I'd figure that should be the bare minimum.mystic trunks wrote:omething about those wanting Son being elitist
One could argue that your painful apathy about how the show is treated and mockery of those who take interest in it is far more elitist.mystic trunks wrote:It's not the wanting it to be in there, it's the bitching about it not being in there. Elitist fans tend to bitch about minor things like that,things that don't have a significant impact on the show or the furthering the story.
I didn't mean to sound like I was mocking anybody, that was not my intention.I'm certainly not apathetic towards the show. I do infact care about the state of this show, as it is my all time favorite show. I enjoy both the dub and the original version, and I am very pleased with the changes that have been made in Kai. I just don't understand why some people take it so extremely seriously. I would have still loved Kai if Goku didn't use 'Son' in his speech, while some people would have rioted. But when I said that they added it to please these types of fans, I wasn't trying to put them down in any way, I just figured that's the reason they did it. I mean you have to admit, most fans would not have cared either way.VegettoEX wrote:One could argue that your painful apathy about how the show is treated and mockery of those who take interest in it is far more elitist.mystic trunks wrote:It's not the wanting it to be in there, it's the bitching about it not being in there. Elitist fans tend to bitch about minor things like that,things that don't have a significant impact on the show or the furthering the story.
Most fans wouldn't have cared if they didn't change Freeza (obviously, not most of us here). That doesn't mean it's the best way to represent the show. And nobody would have rioted. He has yet to say the name until now, so it wouldn't have changed anything. The thing is, this was the perfect place to put it. This is his most epic speech yet, and FUNimation has done it before.mystic trunks wrote:I didn't mean to sound like I was mocking anybody, that was not my intention.I'm certainly not apathetic towards the show. I do infact care about the state of this show, as it is my all time favorite show. I enjoy both the dub and the original version, and I am very pleased with the changes that have been made in Kai. I just don't understand why some people take it so extremely seriously. I would have still loved Kai if Goku didn't use 'Son' in his speech, while some people would have rioted. But when I said that they added it to please these types of fans, I wasn't trying to put them down in any way, I just figured that's the reason they did it. I mean you have to admit, most fans would not have cared either way.VegettoEX wrote:One could argue that your painful apathy about how the show is treated and mockery of those who take interest in it is far more elitist.mystic trunks wrote:It's not the wanting it to be in there, it's the bitching about it not being in there. Elitist fans tend to bitch about minor things like that,things that don't have a significant impact on the show or the furthering the story.
If you honestly think people would have rioted over him not using 'Son', then you clearly don't read the threads in this section of the board very often. Most of us who prefer the Japanese version and generally dislike the original Z dub - IE, the ones you're calling 'elitist' - myself included, had nothing but positive things to say about the episode in question for pretty much every other aspect. For most of us, 'Son' was just icing on the cake. We were focusing on the dialogue of the scene and praying that it would finally rectify the whole 'light in the darkness' bullshit from Season 3. And they did. And that, I think, made us all more than happy enough. We most certainly would not have rioted if he didn't say 'Son' because frankly I don't think anyone here ever expected to be hearing that in English.mystic trunks wrote:I would have still loved Kai if Goku didn't use 'Son' in his speech, while some people would have rioted.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
As stated in several of my previous posts, I was not speaking in a literal sense when I said people would riot. Secondly, I did NOT contradict myself because most fans,(meaning non 'elitist' fans)would not/don't care about minute things like this. All the uproar about the little comment is laughable.Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:If you honestly think people would have rioted over him not using 'Son', then you clearly don't read the threads in this section of the board very often. Most of us who prefer the Japanese version and generally dislike the original Z dub - IE, the ones you're calling 'elitist' - myself included, had nothing but positive things to say about the episode in question for pretty much every other aspect. For most of us, 'Son' was just icing on the cake. We were focusing on the dialogue of the scene and praying that it would finally rectify the whole 'light in the darkness' bullshit from Season 3. And they did. And that, I think, made us all more than happy enough. We most certainly would not have rioted if he didn't say 'Son' because frankly I don't think anyone here ever expected to be hearing that in English.mystic trunks wrote:I would have still loved Kai if Goku didn't use 'Son' in his speech, while some people would have rioted.
As I said - it was a great bonus and a nice treat for a lot of us, but if he hadn't said it, and we weren't expecting it in the first place, how could we have been disappointed? Maybe you ought to think your statements through before spouting off about 'lol dumb elitist fans want every minute detail in the dub lolol', because I think it would only take browsing a few pages of this very thread to prove otherwise.
To me, the kicker about your post is that you contradict yourself - in one breath you say some (us 'elitists') fans would have 'rioted' if they didn't use 'Son'...then in the next, you admit that 'most fans wouldn't have cared either way'. I don't mean to be rude, but honestly, do you think your posts through before you write them, or do you make things up as you go along to suit the post(s) you're replying to? It's great if you're fond of the dub - this board has all sorts of fans, and that's what makes it great. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences. But you seem to be specifically out to make those Japanese fans among us out to all be overzealous nitpickers who will never be pleased, when this thread alone should prove that's not remotely true. Please show us fans of the Japanese version a bit more respect, because we don't like being called 'elitists' any more than dub fans like to be called 'stupid dubbies'. We just want an accurate version of the show that we can enjoy, and (most of us) are glad to finally be getting that in English after ten years. Thank you.
Not a single person here thought you meant that sub fans would be mobbing in the streets in-front of FUNi HQ and burning American flags. We know what you meant, and we're saying it's not true. The points have been proven enough.mystic trunks wrote:As stated in several of my previous posts, I was not speaking in a literal sense when I said people would riot. Secondly, I did NOT contradict myself because most fans,(meaning non 'elitist' fans)would not/don't care about minute things like this. All the uproar about the little comment is laughable.
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Common style is to flip the names of contemporary Japanese people, and keeping the original order for historical individuals and historically literary character. Also, the style for Chinese names is to keep the original name order. "Son Gokuu" is the Japanese name/prononciation of historically literary character Sun Wukong, so his name order should be kept.GenkiDama1994 wrote:Not going to lie, although I love that Sean said Son Goku; if his last name is Son, then should he say Goku Son?
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In the Westwood dub of DB, it was pronounced like "San Goku" (I'm pretty sure the French dub called him "Sangoku"). I assume AB Groupe's English dubs of the movies had it pronounced that way too. In Burst Limit, it was Son Goku ("Son" being pronounced like the English word).RazorX wrote:However I don't understand why some people are expressing themselves by saying they can die happy now that Son Goku has been used. The Blue Water dub used Son Goku. The Euro dub used Son Goku numerous times. It's about time it appeared in Funi's dub, even if Funi's writers probably didn't intend for it to.
No, the AB Groupe English dubs pronounced Son correctly. But it was only in the TV-only DB movies (which are ridiculously rare) and a single "Son Gohan" in Z Movie 2.linkdude20002001 wrote:In the Westwood dub of DB, it was pronounced like "San Goku" (I'm pretty sure the French dub called him "Sangoku"). I assume AB Groupe's English dubs of the movies had it pronounced that way too. In Burst Limit, it was Son Goku ("Son" being pronounced like the English word).
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Our lives would be a lot easier if they listened to you more often.Daimao wrote:I may have had a little something to do with getting it in, as well.
(Disclaimer: I had nothing to do with getting it in)
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