*Cheers!* :3omegalucas wrote: Also, rejoice Chuquita: Goku seems to have the sockboots!
Hey - don't diss the Nakagawa man.MagicBox wrote:I don't want FLOW back. I dislike the Maximum The Hormone song that inspired the title, so I don't want them either. I would settle for just Kageyama, but anyone else would just make me sad. They'll probably be predictable and use whatever artist happens to be popular between now and April.
Hmmm...
Shōko Nakagawa NO.
If we could get a song half as awesome as Sorairo Days, I'd be all for that. 
I like Flow, but...yeah...if they're gonna pull something like that, I'm gonna start dreading their inclusion in any major series that I like.Gaffer Tape wrote:Yeah, I hope they don't bring FLOW back or any other artist who stupidly insists their crappy Engrish versions of songs have to go into international releases of a Japanese audio track. So freaking stupid...
Wait... who's to say Cold was at full power?RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza states that he's stronger than Cold in the manga, and Cold says that anyone powerful enough to defeat Freeza is the strongest person in the universe. The Kai quote doesn't mean much. Not only because it's an anime-only quote, but because they were comparing Cold's power to Freeza's at a time where Freeza wasn't at full strength. Soon after Vegeta said that, Gohan pointed out that the power they're sensing is nothing compared to what Freeza can really do (he should know; he's the only one who sensed Freeza's full power on Namek besides Goku).SSJ God Gogeta wrote:If I remember correctly, Daizenshuu 7 states King Cold is inferior to Freeza. Yet in Dragon Ball Kai and etc. they state that Cold is "even more powerful than Freeza".
I will go with the Daizenshuu on this one, even though I think Cold should be stronger to keep a grip on Freeza.
What reason does he have to not be at full power?fadeddreams5 wrote:Wait... who's to say Cold was at full power?RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza states that he's stronger than Cold in the manga, and Cold says that anyone powerful enough to defeat Freeza is the strongest person in the universe. The Kai quote doesn't mean much. Not only because it's an anime-only quote, but because they were comparing Cold's power to Freeza's at a time where Freeza wasn't at full strength. Soon after Vegeta said that, Gohan pointed out that the power they're sensing is nothing compared to what Freeza can really do (he should know; he's the only one who sensed Freeza's full power on Namek besides Goku).SSJ God Gogeta wrote:If I remember correctly, Daizenshuu 7 states King Cold is inferior to Freeza. Yet in Dragon Ball Kai and etc. they state that Cold is "even more powerful than Freeza".
I will go with the Daizenshuu on this one, even though I think Cold should be stronger to keep a grip on Freeza.
I'll never understand why this character was introduced. Just served absolutely no purpose.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
The real reason he was introduced is because Toriyama has this habit of making his villains look so last season. When Raditz came he made Piccolo look tame. Nappa made Raditz look like a baby, Vegeta crushed Nappa like an ant, most of Freeza's elites made Vegeta look like a worm at least once, Freeza made everyone look weak. Then when Trunks came it was supposed to have a "Oh crap, Freeza's back, we're screwed! ... Except this kid just killed Freeza and his pops but he still can't take out these robot guys from the future! We're double-screwed!!"fadeddreams5 wrote:I'll never understand why this character was introduced. Just served absolutely no purpose.
Haha, as I type this, I currently have three Nakagawa songs on my iPod.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Hey - don't diss the Nakagawa man.
I'm just picking on the popular girl, I guess.Freeza's theme was not composed by Yamamoto. It's safe.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Was Freeza's insert song in Kai one of those that was removed, or is it still safe and could be re-used, perhaps?
RandomGuy96 wrote:What reason does he have to not be at full power?fadeddreams5 wrote:Wait... who's to say Cold was at full power?RandomGuy96 wrote:
Freeza states that he's stronger than Cold in the manga, and Cold says that anyone powerful enough to defeat Freeza is the strongest person in the universe. The Kai quote doesn't mean much. Not only because it's an anime-only quote, but because they were comparing Cold's power to Freeza's at a time where Freeza wasn't at full strength. Soon after Vegeta said that, Gohan pointed out that the power they're sensing is nothing compared to what Freeza can really do (he should know; he's the only one who sensed Freeza's full power on Namek besides Goku).
I'll never understand why this character was introduced. Just served absolutely no purpose.
He was introduced for three reasons:
A). Freeza referenced having powerful parents in the previous arc, so Cold is a follow-up on that statement.
B). He gave Freeza someone more interesting to talk to than a generic henchman.
C). Trunks killing him proved that he wasn't just some guy with a magical Freeza-slicing sword.
Freeza wasn't at full power when he first arrived on Namek because he wasn't expecting anyone powerful to be there. Cold was expecting to fight a Super Saiyan stronger than his son. He has zero reason to be holding back. Also, Freeza flat-out said he was stronger than Cold, and continually ordered him around and treated him as a sidekick.Well, same reason Freeza wasn't at full power in Namek. Idk, but I find it hard to believe that was the pinnacle of his power.
A. True, but his father could have served a greater role. I mean, this is the freakin' King and father of the most feared being in the universe.
B. Could have been a less generic henchman though. Hell, even a member of his race without it being the great King Cold.
C. I don't think anyone would have come to that conclusion if King Cold wasn't there though.
I just don't see it. He is by far the biggest waste of a character in this entire series.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
That's too similar to Dead Zone, so I doubt Toei would go that route.Hellspawn28 wrote:If Freeza becomes immortal then I wonder if they will pull off a Superman II ending and have Freeza be trap in another dimension? I don't think they are going to kill off Freeza since I think that would be too predictable. Toriyama likes to surprise his viewers since he had Goku lost to Beerus for example. Not to mention he had the heroes lost and die before.
Yeah, but have you seen that video of her recording her lines for BOG?MagicBox wrote:Haha, as I type this, I currently have three Nakagawa songs on my iPod.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Hey - don't diss the Nakagawa man.
I doubt Toriyama would care if Toei already did something he'd like to do. Freeza already came back several times and we're still getting this film.Attitudefan wrote:That's too similar to Dead Zone, so I doubt Toei would go that route.Hellspawn28 wrote:If Freeza becomes immortal then I wonder if they will pull off a Superman II ending and have Freeza be trap in another dimension? I don't think they are going to kill off Freeza since I think that would be too predictable. Toriyama likes to surprise his viewers since he had Goku lost to Beerus for example. Not to mention he had the heroes lost and die before.
Just imagine if we see frog Ginyu. That will be great.Valerius Dover wrote:I think these are most likely different military members, and none of the same ones involved in the main series. Frieza's forces were somewhat widespread, after all. That being said, I'd definitely LIKE to see some notable henchmen return.
Not really. King Cold gets his chance as part of Cell. This also allows AT to handwave any confusion over new techniques Cell has.fadeddreams5 wrote:I just don't see it. He is by far the biggest waste of a character in this entire series.
