I don't really see how Vegeta is being wanked. Sure, he talks himself up, which is what he does. Other than that, he's been mocked by the others over a pink shirt, eaten a bar of soap, and bullied into taking a shower by Bulma. How is that wanking him?
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Great episode. If only it were longer. Next time on DBZA we get see how Kaiserneko will pull off Trunks. (Man that sounds weird out of context)
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I wonder if Goku will make a reference to the Death Battle?
"So Goku, why were you away for so long?"
"Oh... well there was this really super guy that I had a fight with. I lost, but we became friends afterwards. I also stayed on this other planet and I learned a new technique."
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Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
Gonstead wrote:I wonder if Goku will make a reference to the Death Battle?
"So Goku, why were you away for so long?"
"Oh... well there was this really super guy that I had a fight with. I lost, but we became friends afterwards. I also stayed on this other planet and I learned a new technique."
Doubtful. Goku had SSJ4 in that fight, referencing it makes no sense continuity wise. Also he died in that battle so....yeah.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Gonstead wrote:I wonder if Goku will make a reference to the Death Battle?
"So Goku, why were you away for so long?"
"Oh... well there was this really super guy that I had a fight with. I lost, but we became friends afterwards. I also stayed on this other planet and I learned a new technique."
Doubtful. Goku had SSJ4 in that fight, referencing it makes no sense continuity wise. Also he died in that battle so....yeah.
It doesn't have to be a full on reference with continuity and all though. It can just be a simple nod towards the whole thing.
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Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
TobyS wrote:The Yamcha bashing was fucking tiresome.
How are they going to keep wanking vegeta when he starts being a hindrance in the Cell Arc...
To be fair, we're only, ahem, "wanking" Vegeta as much as Vegeta's character calls for it. The man's overly confident, snarky, but ultimately insecure. Trust me, he's in for the breakdown of his life over the next two arcs.
Also, the "Yamcha bashing" is always going to be a point of contention. But the fact is, he's in the perfect place for the abuse. Also, Faulerro sells it incredibly well.
On a different note, KaiserNeko, where did you get the idea for Salza's joke about him being Jeice's cousin?
TobyS wrote:The Yamcha bashing was fucking tiresome.
How are they going to keep wanking vegeta when he starts being a hindrance in the Cell Arc...
To be fair, we're only, ahem, "wanking" Vegeta as much as Vegeta's character calls for it. The man's overly confident, snarky, but ultimately insecure. Trust me, he's in for the breakdown of his life over the next two arcs.
Also, the "Yamcha bashing" is always going to be a point of contention. But the fact is, he's in the perfect place for the abuse. Also, Faulerro sells it incredibly well.
On a different note, KaiserNeko, where did you get the idea for Salza's joke about him being Jeice's cousin?
Budokai Tenkaichi 3 explains Jeice and Salza originating from the same Star System, which is where I'd guess the idea came from.
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Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
This has been said before...but if you guys come up with a good idea for a joke, it'd be way smarter to just keep it to yourself, because then it'll become more likely that it won't happen.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words? Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up! Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes! Cold World (Fanfic) "It ain't never too late to stop bein' a bitch." - Chad Lamont Butler
jjgp1112 wrote:This has been said before...but if you guys come up with a good idea for a joke, it'd be way smarter to just keep it to yourself, because then it'll become more likely that it won't happen.
Does that really matter though? Just because somebody thinks of something that doesn't mean that they're the only person to think of it, parallel thinking and all that. And in comedy its not all about the joke, the delivery is just as important.
- "I'm back, bitches!"
- "I don't know, I never open my eyes!"
- "Gohan, once you've had a man inside of you, you know when he's coming."
- Vegeta-Yamucha-Bulma dynamic
- JUICY
- Freeza's malfunctions
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Gonstead wrote:I wonder if Goku will make a reference to the Death Battle?
"So Goku, why were you away for so long?"
"Oh... well there was this really super guy that I had a fight with. I lost, but we became friends afterwards. I also stayed on this other planet and I learned a new technique."
Doubtful. Goku had SSJ4 in that fight, referencing it makes no sense continuity wise. Also he died in that battle so....yeah.
It doesn't have to be a full on reference with continuity and all though. It can just be a simple nod towards the whole thing.
Not sure how that would make sense. Then they would wonder why Goku's "New friend" didn't come back since he was above SSJ
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
So I kinda realized how much the whole "Krillin Owned Count" gag bugs me. I mean, it was funny at first, but now it happens so often, or you expect it too that it's just not funny. Not only that, but of all the characters to be made fun of for sucking, it should be Yamcha or Chaozu. Not only that, but when Goku shows up in Episode 9, he acts surprised that Yamcha died, which implies that he's saying "Oh wow, this guy was really strong and he died?" Which isn't true about Yamcha. Honestly, Kuririn isn't my favorite character in Dragon Ball, but I like him as a character. Like, at least you see him in every major battle and he at least tried to do something or wants to do something. I know this post sounds really negative, but it's just annoying how you guys keep harping on Kuririn and then in episode 30 it's all "Kuririn died! This is a big emotional moment for Goku because he really cared about Kuririn." When even Goku made Kuririn the butt of jokes all the time. It's hard to believe this, or, at least take this as you guys want to if you completely contrast it so quickly. Is there some joke that's going over my head? If so, maybe if someone points it out to me I'll get it. I guess I'm just annoyed that Kuririn gets shit on all the time when honestly, it would be funnier if it was Yamcha or Chaozu, but they hardly get any screen time and there are only small jabs at them. Not huge ones like Kuririn.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:If Toriyama joined Kanzenshuu, he'd probably forget his login name and password.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Goku's "especially Yamcha" line was about him being especially dead, not his death being surprising. It's like how he was described as very, very dead by the news reporter earlier, and Mr. Kent even made up a word to describe how dead he is (cadaveriffic). So don't worry, it's a jab at Yamcha.
And one of the FAQ specials says that Kuririn is made fun of because Yamcha and Chiaotzu simply aren't around enough to be bullied.
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