"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Amerigo]

Ok take away every character who train goku and he would still be weaker than raditz he wouldn't have kaioken,ssj forms and he would probably still be weaker than king piccolo,now take away every character who train vegeta and he would be ssj2 level since he trained by himself before he trained with whis notice the difference

Take away Bulma's gravity machine and Vegeta never even becomes a Super Saiyan to begin with.

Then he would be as strong as 3 form Freeza still doesn't change the fact that goku would be regular human level

The difference is that Vegeta spent the first 30 years of life fighting on high gravity planets against strong opponents.

Goku spent the first 25 years of his life on planet Earth, which has pathetic gravity, and the strongest opponent he faced had a power level of 300.

Goku then died, after which he trained 4 months on King Kai's planet, which has the same gravity as Planet Vegeta, and his power level went from 400 to 8000.

[Dragonballgod19]

Take away Bulma's gravity machine and Vegeta never even becomes a Super Saiyan to begin with.

Then he would be as strong as 3 form Freeza still doesn't change the fact that goku would be regular human level

The difference is that Vegeta spent the first 30 years of life fighting on high gravity planets against strong opponents.

Goku spent the first 25 years of his life on planet Earth, which has pathetic gravity, and the strongest opponent he faced had a power level of 300.

Goku then died, after which he trained 4 months on King Kai's planet, which has the same gravity as Planet Vegeta, and his power level went from 400 to 8000.

That's because plot and I'm pretty sure training is a lot better when your dead and high gravity all we know is that vegeta was going around killing people ever since he was 5

[Boo Machine]

Goku then died, after which he trained 4 months on King Kai's planet, which has the same gravity as Planet Vegeta, and his power level went from 400 to 8000.

From what I hear it was over 8000. Possibly over 9.

[Akyon]

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1499898683391.png

Is it really considered 'jobbing' if he then turns around and kicks the guys ass?

Garlic Jr, Bojack, Cell, Barry Khan(?), That Spice boy and Broly are all characters he defeated but are in that pic getting the upperhand. Lavenda was fought to a draw despite the wolf having an overwhelming advantage.

[Dragonballgod19]

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1499898683391.png

Is it really considered 'jobbing' if he then turns around and kicks the guys ass?

Garlic Jr, Bojack, Cell, Barry Khan(?), That Spice boy and Broly are all characters he defeated but are in that pic getting the upperhand. Lavenda was fought to a draw despite the wolf having an overwhelming advantage.

Yeah I don't think that counts and I just copy and paste that

[Amerigo]

That's because plot and I'm pretty sure training is a lot better when your dead and high gravity all we know is that vegeta was going around killing people ever since he was 5

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

He then increased his power to 90,000 in 7 days under the gravity chamber, and received a Zenkai boost that put him at 3 million, and shortly after became a Super Saiyan.

In one year, Goku went from 400 to 150 million. That is drastic.

Even now, Vegeta has a billion dollar high tech training facility with 1000 times gravity, and who knows what else. Yet Goku is still ahead because he's simply better.

[Sandubadear]

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

I'm sure running one million kilometers for 6 months also increased his power, it wasn't just the 4 months.

[Dragonballgod19]

That's because plot and I'm pretty sure training is a lot better when your dead and high gravity all we know is that vegeta was going around killing people ever since he was 5

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

He then increased his power to 90,000 in 7 days under the gravity chamber, and received a Zenkai boost that put him at 3 million, and shortly after became a Super Saiyan.

In one year, Goku went from 400 to 150 million. That is drastic.

Even now, Vegeta has a billion dollar high tech training facility with 1000 times gravity, and who knows what else. Yet Goku is still ahead because he's simply better.

When goku was training in the gravity chamber he was eating senzu beans and getting zenkai boosts this was clearly shown and toriyama already said if vegeta let go of his pride he would have went ssj and in one year wtf ok first off no he went from 400 to 9,000 because obviously he's the main character he's needs to be strong to a point were he can match the villain this happens all the time in anime and he only went ssj because krillin died so what if anything that was bs power up because like always the mc needs a power up to beat the main villain this trophe happens in almost every anime and in z vegeta always trained bad goku even implied this in super he trains way better and is only weaker than goku current because kaioken

[Amerigo]

That's because plot and I'm pretty sure training is a lot better when your dead and high gravity all we know is that vegeta was going around killing people ever since he was 5

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

He then increased his power to 90,000 in 7 days under the gravity chamber, and received a Zenkai boost that put him at 3 million, and shortly after became a Super Saiyan.

In one year, Goku went from 400 to 150 million. That is drastic.

Even now, Vegeta has a billion dollar high tech training facility with 1000 times gravity, and who knows what else. Yet Goku is still ahead because he's simply better.

When goku was training in the gravity chamber he was eating senzu beans and getting zenkai boosts this was clearly shown and toriyama already said if vegeta let go of his pride he would have went ssj and in one year wtf ok first off no he went from 400 to 9,000 because obviously he's the main character he's needs to be strong to a point were he can match the villain this happens all the time in anime and he only went ssj because krillin died so what if anything that was bs power up because like always the mc needs a power up to beat the main villain this trophe happens in almost every anime and in z vegeta always trained bad goku even implied this in super he trains way better and is only weaker than goku current because kaioken

Now you're speaking nonsense. All the character are as strong as the plot demands, including Vegeta.

It still doesn't change the fact that since meeting each other, Goku has nearly always been one step ahead, even though Vegeta had advantages - Bulma's Training Facility, Extra 6 months training with Whis, extra 2 years in the time chamber.

[Totamo]

That's because plot and I'm pretty sure training is a lot better when your dead and high gravity all we know is that vegeta was going around killing people ever since he was 5

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

He then increased his power to 90,000 in 7 days under the gravity chamber, and received a Zenkai boost that put him at 3 million, and shortly after became a Super Saiyan.

In one year, Goku went from 400 to 150 million. That is drastic.

Even now, Vegeta has a billion dollar high tech training facility with 1000 times gravity, and who knows what else. Yet Goku is still ahead because he's simply better.

When goku was training in the gravity chamber he was eating senzu beans and getting zenkai boosts this was clearly shown and toriyama already said if vegeta let go of his pride he would have went ssj and in one year wtf ok first off no he went from 400 to 9,000 because obviously he's the main character he's needs to be strong to a point were he can match the villain this happens all the time in anime and he only went ssj because krillin died so what if anything that was bs power up because like always the mc needs a power up to beat the main villain this trophe happens in almost every anime and in z vegeta always trained bad goku even implied this in super he trains way better and is only weaker than goku current because kaioken

No, Goku was 8,000. That was a mistranslation and that still wasn't strong enough to beat Vegeta.

Goku will always be better than Vegeta. They can be on the same playing field have the same techniques and Goku will still be better. It comes down to the their cores.
Vegeta fights for pride. Goku fights for the sake of it. Different drives

[Dragonballgod19]

It doesn't change the fact that Goku increased his power from 400 to 8000 by simply training 4 months on a planet with the same gravity as Planet Vegeta - where Vegeta lived for 7 years.

He then increased his power to 90,000 in 7 days under the gravity chamber, and received a Zenkai boost that put him at 3 million, and shortly after became a Super Saiyan.

In one year, Goku went from 400 to 150 million. That is drastic.

Even now, Vegeta has a billion dollar high tech training facility with 1000 times gravity, and who knows what else. Yet Goku is still ahead because he's simply better.

When goku was training in the gravity chamber he was eating senzu beans and getting zenkai boosts this was clearly shown and toriyama already said if vegeta let go of his pride he would have went ssj and in one year wtf ok first off no he went from 400 to 9,000 because obviously he's the main character he's needs to be strong to a point were he can match the villain this happens all the time in anime and he only went ssj because krillin died so what if anything that was bs power up because like always the mc needs a power up to beat the main villain this trophe happens in almost every anime and in z vegeta always trained bad goku even implied this in super he trains way better and is only weaker than goku current because kaioken

No, Goku was 8,000. That was a mistranslation and that still wasn't strong enough to beat Vegeta.

Goku will always be better than Vegeta. They can be on the same playing field have the same techniques and Goku will still be better. It comes down to the their cores.
Vegeta fights for pride. Goku fights for the sake of it. Different drives

Because he's the main character and you know one character goku will never be better than superman lol man goku fanboys are pathetic you guys are the reason everyone hates db fans I'm done with you guys

[Totamo]

When goku was training in the gravity chamber he was eating senzu beans and getting zenkai boosts this was clearly shown and toriyama already said if vegeta let go of his pride he would have went ssj and in one year wtf ok first off no he went from 400 to 9,000 because obviously he's the main character he's needs to be strong to a point were he can match the villain this happens all the time in anime and he only went ssj because krillin died so what if anything that was bs power up because like always the mc needs a power up to beat the main villain this trophe happens in almost every anime and in z vegeta always trained bad goku even implied this in super he trains way better and is only weaker than goku current because kaioken

No, Goku was 8,000. That was a mistranslation and that still wasn't strong enough to beat Vegeta.

Goku will always be better than Vegeta. They can be on the same playing field have the same techniques and Goku will still be better. It comes down to the their cores.
Vegeta fights for pride. Goku fights for the sake of it. Different drives

Because he's the main character and you know one character goku will never be better than superman lol man goku fanboys are pathetic you guys are the reason everyone hates db fans I'm done with you guys

Dude, this is fiction. Every character is as strong as the writer says so for similar reasons and being the main character hasn't stopped Goku from losing many fights. He just loses better than Vegeta.


I don't really care about Goku vs Superman. They are not comparably written and only have similar backstories.

The people who make people hate dragon ball fans are the ones who use ad hoemins like calling Goku fans pathetic.

[Amerigo]

Goku will always be better than Vegeta. They can be on the same playing field have the same techniques and Goku will still be better. It comes down to the their cores.
Vegeta fights for pride. Goku fights for the sake of it. Different drives

Goku is the Tom Brady of Saiyans - Born to a regular family (Goku: Lowclass, Brady: Non-Football), Seen as nobodies (Goku: Born with 2 PL, Brady: Drafted late). But under the right training managed to thrive showing genius and skill in their respective sports, and once given the right tools (Goku: High Gravity Planet and Gravity Chamber, Brady: Randy Moss) managed to outdo everyone completely and accomplish things never before seen. Both have rivals that were always a few steps behind despite being older.

Vegeta is Peyton Manning - Born to privileged families (Vegeta: Prince, Peyton: Father is a retired NFL Quarterback) and both received superior training since birth. Both were hailed as the greatest and expected to accomplish great things (Vegeta: Super Saiyan, Peyton: Super Bowl and Rings), both achieved these things after their rival did, and Tom Brady will likely end surpassing Peyton in the record books as well.

[TheMikado]

When's the last time anyone one has EVER accidentally ascended a SSJ level without realizing they did??

We don't know to what extent she actually understands ki and transformations. If that really is the 3rd grade, she might not realize the drawbacks yet or she might not be able to access SS2 at will yet.

I'm not disagreeing with any of this. The thing is right now we don't know what this means. It could be nothin, they could have a plausible explanation, or they could have a dumb one. If she's able to go SSJ2 at will and then goes "hey, I can also do this... it won't make sense. The fact that it appears at all is somewhat odd but we are all making the assumption that it will be used properly and for a good reason. All I want is for the reasoning of its introduction to make sense storywise because the design is horrible and I don't want some BS about how because she's a slimmer female Saiyan she doesn't get the speed drawback of the USSJ form so it is essential allows her to use it just like Broly and Kale. Basically I don't want another retcon in lore.

[Kanassa]

If she's able to go SSJ2 at will and then goes "hey, I can also do this... it won't make sense

It would make perfect sense. She's exactly the type of person to assume that beefing herself up with so much power would help her and not consider any typ of speed disadvantage.

[TheMikado]

If she's able to go SSJ2 at will and then goes "hey, I can also do this... it won't make sense

It would make perfect sense. She's exactly the type of person to assume that beefing herself up with so much power would help her and not consider any typ of speed disadvantage.

So she's a prodigy who isn't aware enough to detect the SSJ2 is the superior form? Again you're saying it makes perfect sense without the context of how it's being used. The specific scenario I gave where she is stronger and faster in SSJ2 but goes down a level because it makes her muscles look bigger do not make sense. She should be able to feel SSJ2 was superior in every single regard unless she's not enough of a prodigy to realize when she's actually stronger or not. This is different than when Goku or Trunks did it because at the time they weren't aware of a form beyond it. If Trunks had discovered SSJ2 and then decided to use USSJ instead how would that make sense?

It's kinda pointless to go back and forth until we see how it's used. When Trunks used it against SSB Vegeta it made sense as he used it as a strategic tactic. Until we see the episode we have no idea if it will be used properly or not.

[Boo Machine]

So she's a prodigy who isn't aware enough to detect the SSJ2 is the superior form?

Did they call her a Prodigy? I actually don't remember, I think they just said she has a lot of potential.

[TheMikado]

So she's a prodigy who isn't aware enough to detect the SSJ2 is the superior form?

Did they call her a Prodigy? I actually don't remember, I think they just said she has a lot of potential.

That's the word fans have been using to explain how she achieves SSJ states so easily.

[DainIronfoot]

I'm really curious now whether 18 will indeed fight Frost next episode. The Preview made it seem like they may fight, however I'm now very curious because of another tweet from Toshio. "I also hope for No.18 success. However, it is unknown whether to fight Frost". I still think we may have some sort of sneak attack done to someone by Frost/Freeza, but who knows haha.

[Totamo]

So she's a prodigy who isn't aware enough to detect the SSJ2 is the superior form?

Did they call her a Prodigy? I actually don't remember, I think they just said she has a lot of potential.

That's the word fans have been using to explain how she achieves SSJ states so easily.

Wat? I thought most fans said it was because of a different biology for U6 saiyans.


A genetics kind of thing like Goten and Trunks. The series introduced her with being the younger sister of a captain and he said she just had a lot of potential.

Like Gohan, who also didn't know that this form was a bad form.