Unpopular DB opinions

[Nejishiki]

I never took issue with it from the start. The elements of Goku and Vegeta's flaws, Freeza repeating history, and Whis reversing time were all foreshadowed and tied to the message the story wanted to tell. My criticisms are from its narrative progression, if anything.

[Bansho64]

I really dislike Path To Power.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I really dislike Path To Power.

Me too. It's very pretty, but the script is so meh.

[Danfun64]

Popular opinion: The Akihito Tokunaga is better than Mike Menza's score for GT. That I agree with.

An opinion discussed never?: The synths and instruments Menza had access to are better than the ones used in Tokunaga's score.

Unpopular opinion: While the Tokunaga score is superior to Menza's score, and fits DBGT infinitely better (having more heart to it), the Menza score isn't total garbage. There are some small gems in there, nowhere near as many as Faulconer or the Japanese soundtracks...but not devoid of quality entirely.

As for Path to Power, I don't like how it completely ruined Blue's character and had Android 8 attack Goku and then suddenly go into his "I don't like fighting" personality, where in the original he never attacked Goku.

[rereboy]

It's just that there's no reason to do something like that. The way they chose was a perfectly legitimate amalgamation of Vegeta and Kakkarot.

How? The last syllable in Vegetto isn't the same as Kakarot, thus making it not a portmanteau

Last syllable in Kakarotto = tto

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarotto = Vegetto


Last syllable in Kakarot = rot

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarot = Vegerot


In both cases, the name of the fusion is the first two syllables from Vegeta's name plus the last syllable from Goku's Saiyan name.

[Cetra]

Last syllable in Kakarotto = tto

Well, to be more specific the "tto" consists of a small written syllable "tsu" plus a syllable "to" to result in "tto". But maybe you already knew that.

[rereboy]

Last syllable in Kakarotto = tto

Well, to be more specific the "tto" consists of a small written syllable "tsu" plus a syllable "to" to result in "tto". But maybe you already knew that.

Actually, I didn't . In any case, I think that the logic behing the naming scheme is preserved.

[ABED]

Last syllable in Kakarotto = tto

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarotto = Vegetto


Last syllable in Kakarot = rot

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarot = Vegerot


In both cases, the name of the fusion is the first two syllables from Vegeta's name plus the last syllable from Goku's Saiyan name.

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but do you really think I couldn't see where Vegerot comes from?
2 - I was just confused what "they" the poster was referring to. I thought Jinzoningen MULE meant FUNi using Vegito in spite of it not making sense.
3 - I still don't like Vegerot. It sounds dumb. Sure, that's a seemingly trivial reason, but it's a legit one.
4 - I have no idea why anyone is so against using Gogeta for both.

[Anime Kitten]

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you.

Was this really necessary? A bit impolite, don't you think?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Last syllable in Kakarotto = tto

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarotto = Vegetto


Last syllable in Kakarot = rot

First two syllables in Vegeta = vege

First two syllables in Vegeta + Last syllable in Kakarot = Vegerot


In both cases, the name of the fusion is the first two syllables from Vegeta's name plus the last syllable from Goku's Saiyan name.

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you.
2 - I was just confused what "they" the poster was referring to. I thought MULE meant FUNi using Vegito in spite of it not making sense.
3 - I still don't like Vegerot. It sounds dumb. Sure, that's a trivial reason, but it's a legit one.
4 - I have no idea why anyone is against using Gogeta for both.

My main issue with Gogeta is that it's unwarranted unfaithfulness regarding the original.

While this case would be less severe, it's the same reason I didn't like the name changes in DB. I didn't like the change from from Lunch to Launch, or from Crane Hermit to Shen, or from Shen to Hero.

I really don't like the sound of "Vegerot" either, but it makes sense in the context of the romanizations Viz chose.

[ABED]

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you.

Was this really necessary? A bit impolite, don't you think?

Yeah. Sorry, but unless he thinks I made some innocent error, I can't think of another rational for essentially talking down to me. Vegerot is an obvious portmanteau, did he really think I missed it?

My main issue with Gogeta is that it's unwarranted unfaithfulness regarding the original.

Is being faithful that important if the adaptation makes no sense? It seems like you want to adhere purely to the text because it's "the text" and not because it conveys the meaning to a foreign audience. There's faithful in spirit and then there's dogmatic adherence to the text.

This isn't like Lunch or Shen because those were unnecessary changes. Vegito isn't a portmanteau of Vegeta and Kakarot.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you.

Was this really necessary? A bit impolite, don't you think?

Yeah. Sorry, but unless he thinks I made some innocent error, I can't think of another rational for essentially talking down to me. Vegerot is an obvious portmanteau, did he really think I missed it?

My main issue with Gogeta is that it's unwarranted unfaithfulness regarding the original.

Is being faithful that important if the adaptation makes no sense? It seems like you want to adhere purely to the text because it's "the text" and not because it conveys the meaning to a foreign audience. There's faithful in spirit and then there's dogmatic adherence to the text.

This isn't like Lunch or Shen because those were unnecessary changes. Vegito isn't a portmanteau of Vegeta and Kakarot.

I'm not defending Vegito, that's one is unwarranted stupidity on Funimation's part, I'm only talking about Viz's Vegerot.

In a perfect world, Viz would have romanized Kakkarotto, and Vegetto would have worked just fine. However, they followed Funimation is romanizing Kakkarot, leaving Vegerot as the most faithful choice they could have sensibly made.

[ABED]

Then we're talking past each other as I wasn't talking about the manga at all.

[rereboy]

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but do you really think I couldn't see where Vegerot comes from?

The user you responded to said: "The way they chose was a perfectly legitimate amalgamation of Vegeta and Kakkarot". And he was talking about Vegerot.

And in your response you said: "How? The last syllable in Vegetto isn't the same as Kakarot".

So, considering your last post in which you even asked "how", yes, I legitimately thought you were having trouble seeing the logic behind the Vegerot name because the last syllable in Vegetto might not be the same as Kakarot, but when it's Vegerot, it actually is the last syllable.

3 - I still don't like Vegerot. It sounds dumb. Sure, that's a seemingly trivial reason, but it's a legit one.

As long as people correctly identify that factor as it being the sole reason for their problem with it, sure.

4 - I have no idea why anyone is so against using Gogeta for both.

Because that would imply a different logic behind the naming scheme, namely the one used for the fusion dance. In other words, it would be more inconsistent with the original which has different schemes depending on the method of fusion. And it would lead to more confusion.

1 - Thanks for spelling it out to me, I'd be lost without you.

Was this really necessary? A bit impolite, don't you think?

Yeah. Sorry, but unless he thinks I made some innocent error, I can't think of another rational for essentially talking down to me. Vegerot is an obvious portmanteau, did he really think I missed it?

Don't worry, I don't really care if there was impoliteness or not, so debating it doesn't matter. I don't take internet talk seriously, especially in matters of tone. If someone misunderstands me when I'm explaining something to them, besides trying to explain it better to clarify it, it's really not my problem.

[ABED]

The user you responded to said: "The way they chose was a perfectly legitimate amalgamation of Vegeta and Kakkarot". And he was talking about Vegerot.

And in your response you said: "How? The last syllable in Vegetto isn't the same as Kakarot".

So, considering your last post in which you even asked "how", yes, I legitimately thought you were having trouble seeing the logic behind the Vegerot name because the last syllable in Vegetto might not be the same as Kakarot, but when it's Vegerot, it actually is the last syllable.

I see that now that he told me he was referring to Viz, but if you look at the conversation, you'd see that I began it by talking about FUNi's decision to keep it Vegetto, albeit with an altered spelling. When he responded by using the pronoun "they", the logical inference is they is FUNimation.

Because that would imply a different logic behind the naming scheme, namely the one used for the fusion dance. In other words, it would be more inconsistent with the original which has different schemes depending on the method of fusion. And it would lead to more confusion.

It's not a different naming scheme. It's a portmanteau, and is there anything saying "if it's fusion, then it has to be THIS combination vs. THAT combination" I don't see what the confusion is. The only real difference between the two fusions is the time limit, otherwise it's the same concept.

[rereboy]

I see that now that he told me he was referring to Viz, but if you look at the conversation, you'd see that I began it by talking about FUNi's decision to keep it Vegetto, albeit with an altered spelling. When he responded by using the pronoun "they", the logical inference is they is FUNimation.

I understood what he meant. And tried to explain his point.

It's not a different naming scheme. It's a portmanteau, and is there anything saying "if it's fusion, then it has to be THIS combination vs. THAT combination" I don't see what the confusion is. The only real difference between the two fusions is the time limit, otherwise it's the same concept.

Yes, it is. Depending on the method of fusing, not only are different syllables used to form the name of the fusion but different sources are used altogether. Gogeta uses Goku and Vegetto uses Kakarotto. They both combine parts of the names of the people fusing, but their approach is clearly distinctive. If both fusions were named Gogeta in the Viz manga, that conscious choice to distinguish the type of fusions based the naming scheme would be gone, and the potara fusion would suddenly be using "Goku" as a source instead of Kakarotto/Kakarot.

[ABED]

But the explanation wasn't helpful. What really helped was understanding that we weren't talking about the same thing. He was referring to the manga, I was referring to the dub.

Yes, it is. Depending on the method of fusing, not only are different syllables used to form the name of the fusion but different sources are used altogether. Gogeta uses Goku and Vegetto uses Kakarotto. They both combine parts of the names of the people fusing, but their approach is clearly distinctive. If both fusions were named Gogeta in the Viz manga, that conscious choice to distinguish the type of fusions based the naming scheme would be gone, and the potara fusion would suddenly be using "Goku" as a source instead of Kakarotto/Kakarot.

Where was it said that a different fusion means a different name? Not only has this situation only ever happened with Goku and Vegeta, but when Goku and Vegeta did fuse without the Potara, it was in a movie and GT. The different fusions were already distinguished in two other ways - the method and their design. I don't see why anyone would be confused. What's wrong with using "Goku" as the source instead of "Kakarotto"? Goku and Kakarotto aren't different characters.

[ekrolo2]

But the explanation wasn't helpful. What really helped was understanding that we weren't talking about the same thing. He was referring to the manga, I was referring to the dub.

Yes, it is. Depending on the method of fusing, not only are different syllables used to form the name of the fusion but different sources are used altogether. Gogeta uses Goku and Vegetto uses Kakarotto. They both combine parts of the names of the people fusing, but their approach is clearly distinctive. If both fusions were named Gogeta in the Viz manga, that conscious choice to distinguish the type of fusions based the naming scheme would be gone, and the potara fusion would suddenly be using "Goku" as a source instead of Kakarotto/Kakarot.

Where was it said that a different fusion means a different name? Not only has this situation only ever happened with Goku and Vegeta, but when Goku and Vegeta did fuse without the Potara, it was in a movie and GT. The different fusions were already distinguished in two other ways - the method and their design. I don't see why anyone would be confused. What's wrong with using "Goku" as the source instead of "Kakarotto"? Goku and Kakarotto aren't different characters.

I don't even get why a fusion of Goku and Vegeta would even use Kakarotto as a basis for his name. Goku never calls himself Kakarotto ever. Wasn't there a video game or something which calls both the dance and potara fusions of Goku & Vegeta Gogeta and uses a letter like (p) and (f) to differentiate between them?

[Nejishiki]

I can't say I remember anything like that. Are you thinking of Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Battle 22 (NTSC region) naming Gogeta as "Vegetto" during a match?

[rereboy]

But the explanation wasn't helpful. What really helped was understanding that we weren't talking about the same thing. He was referring to the manga, I was referring to the dub.

Like I said, you seemed to be having trouble understanding the logic behind Vegerot. That's what it appeared to be. If that's not the case, fine by me.

Where was it said that a different fusion means a different name? Not only has this situation only ever happened with Goku and Vegeta, but when Goku and Vegeta did fuse without the Potara, it was in a movie and GT. The different fusions were already distinguished in two other ways - the method and their design. I don't see why anyone would be confused. What's wrong with using "Goku" as the source instead of "Kakarotto"? Goku and Kakarotto aren't different characters.

A translation/adaption should concern itself with being consistent and faithful rather than judge or question the choices of the original work. And if Viz decided to go with Gogeta for both, that's not what they would be doing.