MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 7/6/26!)

[matt0044]

Considering how beings from the Other World like Kaio-Sama never interfere with what's going on in the mortal realm, it seems like it's a law that whoever's Kami mustn't leave the lookout (aside from a few select moments every now and then). It's like how if God does exist, he doesn't seem to do a lot about us humans and the bad we do.

Sorry if that sounds too simplified...

[Kid Buu]

The Piccolo Daimao Arc Part 6!

Always knew I'd have to do the Popo episode some day, and while I'm very proud of the way it turned out, I can't deny that it scares the bajeeezus out of me!

You might have missed it, but I remember 2 posts above yours:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 00#p810600

[Zephyr]

Had Chaozu used his full power; Piccolo, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, Guldo, Recoome, Burter, Jeice, Captain Ginyu, Freeza, King Cold, Dr. Gero, Lapis, Lazuli, Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura, Babidi, Majin Buu, Beerus, and Whis would have all died in one-shot. Can you imagine how boring the manga would be if it ended on an anti-climatic note like that? Good thing Chaozu lost on purpose, just on the sake on entertaining us manga readers.

I thought he did use his full power on Nappa, and it didn't do shit. Or am I remembering another time he tried using his psychic powers and it failed spectacularly?

[Kid Buu]

Had Chaozu used his full power; Piccolo, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, Guldo, Recoome, Burter, Jeice, Captain Ginyu, Freeza, King Cold, Dr. Gero, Lapis, Lazuli, Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura, Babidi, Majin Buu, Beerus, and Whis would have all died in one-shot. Can you imagine how boring the manga would be if it ended on an anti-climatic note like that? Good thing Chaozu lost on purpose, just on the sake on entertaining us manga readers.

I thought he did use his full power on Nappa, and it didn't do shit. Or am I remembering another time he tried using his psychic powers and it failed spectacularly?

Chaozu did in fact say that, but like Goku saying his SSJ3 couldn't beat Fat Buu, he was lying in order to get someone else to take over as hero.

Being a psychic-type, Chaozu actually has the ability to see the future, and he knew Vegeta would be unsuccessful on Earth. Chaozu also knew that both Piccolo and Vegeta's hearts could change, but only if they let go of his pride. Therefore, Chaozu threw the fight on purpose because he knew that if Vegeta was unsuccessful on beating the low-class Saiyans Goku/Gohan, it would successfully wound Vegeta's pride. He also knew that Piccolo had to die, in order to successfully achieve redemption. I guess you can say Chaozu's role in the Saiyan Arc was similar to Master Roshi's role in the 22nd Budokai arc.

[TheGmGoken]

Review time!

Yay Goten makes his debut. And for the first time in a long time possibly forever we agree. BTW Toei made the same mistake but sorta fixed it. The pointy thing at the top had a whole in it in the anime but when seen again its gone. Now about Popo. I'm Black and Korean so I dealt with some stereotypes in Asia. It wasn't "racism" but more like ignorant. Now I never thought Popo character was that of a black stereotype appearance not even his speaking pattern.But instead only his design was based on it. Its more or less of "Oh all appearance of black people I've seen had these features.". As we see later with Oob(who in my opinion is African based unlike Nam) things changed over time. Toriyama probably saw a black person and found out not all are like that.

I know some people when I first came in USA found him offensive but most thought he was a genie or an animal based creature. Gaffer you should remember that some posters had faces almost identical to Popo. You didn't post none in video but some are litteraly black with big lips. So I'm sure that didn't help Polo case. So it's most likely ignorance mix with confidence.

[coola]

Considering how beings from the Other World like Kaio-Sama never interfere with what's going on in the mortal realm, it seems like it's a law that whoever's Kami mustn't leave the lookout (aside from a few select moments every now and then). It's like how if God does exist, he doesn't seem to do a lot about us humans and the bad we do.

Sorry if that sounds too simplified...

While i can understand Kaio-sama and Kaioshin not interfere, it was Kami fault that Piccolo was created, he create this whole mess, and should take care of it, guess thats one of best parts of Dragon Ball, almost character is a selfish jerk.
As for episode itself, i really liked it, it struck me today in Poland we celebrate 70th anniversary of Warsaw Uprising, and let`s hope that world had really become place, where racist things like in "Pardon Us" are historical things, that will never repeat. And big kudos for noticing that error in Karin Tower.

[Fizzer]

I'm surprised that you didn't mentioned Goku's reaction immediately after plowing through Piccolo: "I won... I WON!!!!" followed by bursting into tears in mid-air. This seems like a really important moment for Goku.

The whole arc has been an emotional rollercoaster for Goku, but he's kept everything bottled up until he got the job done and avenged his friends. It's he crying with sadness over his lost friends? Anger at Piccolo? Happiness or relief that he won? Sheer exhaustion? Probably all of those things mixed together in one big emotional cocktail that calls for a good sob while plummeting to Earth. It doesn't last long, as being caught by Yajirobe seems to shock him out of it, but I always found it very moving nonetheless and saw it, combined with the actual moment of his victory, as a sort of coming-of-age for Goku.

Chaozu did in fact say that, but like Goku saying his SSJ3 couldn't beat Fat Buu, he was lying in order to get someone else to take over as hero.

Being a psychic-type, Chaozu actually has the ability to see the future, and he knew Vegeta would be unsuccessful on Earth. Chaozu also knew that both Piccolo and Vegeta's hearts could change, but only if they let go of his pride. Therefore, Chaozu threw the fight on purpose because he knew that if Vegeta was unsuccessful on beating the low-class Saiyans Goku/Gohan, it would successfully wound Vegeta's pride. He also knew that Piccolo had to die, in order to successfully achieve redemption. I guess you can say Chaozu's role in the Saiyan Arc was similar to Master Roshi's role in the 22nd Budokai arc.

And I guess the next revelation is that Yamcha could have beat Beerus but also chose not to?

[Kid Buu]

And I guess the next revelation is that Yamcha could have beat Beerus but also chose not to?

Yamcha was in-fact capable of beating Beerus. The Rougafuufuuken, being a Wolf-type move, is actually the Achilles's heel to a cat such as Beerus. However Yamcha knew that Beerus was all talk and no one was in any real danger, where as Beerus knew that Yamcha would have beaten him, hence why he targeted Oolong and not Pu'erh.

[Fizzer]

And I guess the next revelation is that Yamcha could have beat Beerus but also chose not to?

Yamcha was in-fact capable of beating Beerus. The Rougafuufuuken, being a Wolf-type move, is actually the Achilles's heel to a cat such as Beerus. However Yamcha knew that Beerus was all talk and no one was in any real danger, where as Beerus knew that Yamcha would have beaten him, hence why he targeted Oolong and not Pu'erh.

Not until after Beerus and Whis had left, however, did anyone realise that Beerus had been spraying over Pu'erh's territorial markings.

[Gaffer Tape]

Speaking of racism, are you going to cover homosexuality when Mr. Slave shows up? I've seen some complaints Mr. Slave's portrayal was offensive to the LBGT community.

You mean Otokosuki from the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai? Eh. I dunno. If so, it certainly wouldn't be to the extent of Popo.

The Swastika is actually a Symbol that Hilter stole Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism; so anyone who refers to it as just a bent X would be offending more than just Holocaust Survivors.

If you're trying to tell me the history of the swastika or manji or whatever you wish to call it, I was already aware. My point was, it really shouldn't be offending anybody, going strictly by logic, because it IS just a bent X. But more specific to what I said in the video, the offense would come from those who have an *emotional* connection to the symbol due to what it was associated with.

Are you a fan of Pokemon, or were you just covering Jynx because it ties into the Popo discussion? I ask because I remember watching another video of yours when you sing the theme song, something like that.

I am, or was, a fan of Pokemon, but I never played it past the 1st generation. I sang the Pokerap because a contest winner told me to. But I brought up Jynx solely because Jynx is mentioned in the quote I used.

Yay Goten makes his debut.

Actually, look at The Red Ribbon Army Arc Part 6!

[Kid Buu]

You mean Otokosuki from the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai? Eh. I dunno. If so, it certainly wouldn't be to the extent of Popo.

Oh yeah, that is his name. I call him Mr. Slave because that is the name of a homosexual character in South Park that looks very familiar to him:



He isn't as controversial as Mr. Popo, but he only appears in one scene compared to how frequent Popo appears. I've seen a few people complain about him and how he is offensive to the LBGT community, though.

If you're trying to tell me the history of the swastika or manji or whatever you wish to call it, I was already aware. My point was, it really shouldn't be offending anybody, going strictly by logic, because it IS just a bent X. But more specific to what I said in the video, the offense would come from those who have an *emotional* connection to the symbol due to what it was associated with.

Okay.

I am, or was, a fan of Pokemon, but I never played it past the 1st generation. I sang the Pokerap because a contest winner told me to. But I brought up Jynx solely because Jynx is mentioned in the quote I used.

I was a big fan of Pokemon when the series first debuted in the West, but my interest in the anime and games dropped off around 2004 when Hoenn started. I recently got back into the games in 2012 but lost interest again as the year ended. Now they've put the anime on Netflix and I noticed that the first generation reminds me a lot of early Dragon Ball. Ash/Red/Satoshi goes on an innocent quest to find the Pokemon, but he comes involved in conflict with a criminal organization, and becomes the heroes champion. Even in the anime, Misty reminds me of Bulma in personality and Brock has a similar Mr. Exposition role shared by Yamcha.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

You have been pumping these out lately! I'm impressed.

That final punch is still gold. You're right in that the fight is very cyclical, I remember that first watching it dubbed on Toonami, but at the end of the day Goku was on his knees while Piccolo was still flying. It really makes me ask what the difference in their energy levels was at that point, almost as if the point of the Ultra water power-up was to let Goku consistently touch the man, because Goku kept pounding Piccolo and he just kept getting up.

I made it clear in the Abridged thread that Kami and Piccolo is one of my favorite points too; its really the only point of Dragon Ball's god hierarchy that feels properly mystical in any sense. That first over-the-shoulder shot of the palace was a nice choice on Toriyama's part. On the "God" point, Toriyama's using the term as title and duty in this sense does distinguish it from a purely state-of-being definition, unlike say the Kaio(shin)s supposedly being divine biologically. Funimation's "guardian" is as much a job description of the one duty we see the man actually fill as it is a TV workaround, and really always has been.

Your reverse-interpretation on Popo was wonderful, sort of cutting through the surface-skepticism all those critics did have back at the turn of the century; blackface is not a moral issue that child must become older to "know better", its a dated construct to be understood for what it is and discarded. It should not have any power anymore. I mean, ancient Middle Eastern stereotypes of African peoples do exist, and they're disgusting, but was Toriyama really channeling the friggin' Arabian Nights? I don't think so. Mr. Popo just is.

[coola]

I just noticed, that Red Ribbon Army arc actually had 2 elements from real world, beside US flag, after General Blue lost his "fight" with Arale, he ended up in Egypt.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, he ended up in a place that contains pyramids. There's no reason to assume that's Egypt, any more than there is reason to assume that a place that contains people that look like Upa and Bora has to be America.

[coola]

Yes, you are right, i mistaken it for anime, where i was little more suggestive, that he ended up in Egypt

[Kid Buu]

Hey, Gaffer Tape, did Kuririn and Yamucha train together for the Cell Games in the manga? I know the in the anime they did, but I wasn't sure wherever they did in the manga. I figured you would know.

[Gaffer Tape]

Until Goku brings Dende to Earth, every time we see them during the 9 days of peace, they're together. But the manga doesn't show either of them doing any training.

[Kid Buu]

Hmm, that is interesting because the anime also says they trained together in the Buu Saga, meaning Kuririn's first training under Master Roshi and Yamucha's training with Kaio are the only two times they didn't train together.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, it's never entirely clear how much time they train together in preparation for the 23rd Budoukai. When we see them at the end of the Piccolo arc, it would somewhat appear they're still all together at Kame House. But if you look more closely at Tenshinhan's panel, he's clearly somewhere else. Then again, maybe they moved to the bigger island again. And when Kuririn and Yamucha reveal their senzu to Goku, it seems obvious each knows the other knows about it, so they seem to have climbed Karin Tower together. However, when the group first meets up, Blooma complains that Yamucha had left by himself as soon as he returned to the Western Metropolis, and Kame Sennin says the same thing about Kuririn having left him. And when the four of them arrive, Kuririn says they just happened to bump in each other at that point, so from that, it seems to imply they've been apart for at least part of their training.

[Gaffer Tape]

DBD: The Piccolo Daimao Arc Part 7!

I can't believe it's taken me half a year, but here we are at the end of the Piccolo arc. Let me know what you think about what I think!