Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[dbzfan7]

What says he doesn't count as part of the top brass? All Sorbet said was that Freeza and the rest of the top brass was wiped out. That could still imply that there are other top brass people. He didn't say all of the top brass had been wiped out. Rest could simply imply anyone other than Tagoma and Shisami.

Shisami isn't treated as anything special. Freeza even remarks this as he calls the entire army fodder.

In that specific example we're told that by rank they are talking about strength. In this one it isn't clear. And it is highly possible that this "position" word is used to describe a very specific type of position. There are words like that in Japanese.

That is grasping. Rank means jack shit to Freeza. Why does the message get to be cherry picked for Tagoma to be weak in that statement, but Shisami is actually super duper strong? Again the Ginyu Force rank higher than Dodoria and Zarbon, and they are stronger. So Shisami is ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than? That doesn't make sense. Ranks are assigned via how strong someone is. Neither Tagoma or Shisami are some special advisers or diplomats. They're ranked based on how strong they are. They were ranked among Dodoria and Zarbons tier.

That is simply your opinion. We're never told that it is Freeza's strength they need to fix things. Just that they need Freeza back so that they can fix the army. Like I said Freeza could just be a figure head to in still the fear into those planets and then they can deal with the minority. Nothing says that it can't play out that way. It certainly plays out that way in a lot of other stories. Like the ones I mentioned.

Freeza's strength is why they wanted him back. The whole point is Freeza's army is garbage and can't accomplish their goals anymore. Freeza further supports this by saying how pitiful his army is.

His presence can certainly do that. Like I've told you already it happens a lot in other stories with people much weaker than Freeza. Commander Garma Zabi would literally only be able to take down a few mobile suits. Something any mobile pilot should be able to manage. Yet his "resurrection" drove reform within the Zeon forces and allowed them to win several battles just knowing he is alive as it demotivated the Earth Federation and motivated the Zeon forces.

There's 1000's of planets and only 1 actual person to fear. Freeza alone wouldn't change anything as Freeza can't be in 1000 places at once. He only was a problem because he had a formidable fighting force on his side. They were his eyes and ears. Without them he can't subjugate worlds as the minute he leaves, his mooks are powerless again.

Cell is definitely not on par with SSJ2 Gohan if Gohan could still finish the fight with only half of his Ki. That implies that without the injury Gohan is almost twice as strong as Cell. The only reason Gohan got hurt was because he underestimated how strong Cell became from coming back to life. He says this himself. And Vegeta doesn't explain how he'll do this. Whether he did it consciously or not. So it is entirely possible that you can unconsciously do this in a fight. You can't possibly claim that Goku didn't lower his power to such a low level because nothing is stated. All we know is his power had dropped enough to be affected by the attack. And what makes you think that lowering it to the limit is required for injury? It's entirely possible that Vegeta did it to receive the worst attack he can possibly receive to get the biggest Zenkai. All Goku would need to do is have his battle power lower than the attack. Like what the story has told us already. Look at Goku hurting 50% Freeza. Surely that shouldn't happen if Freeza hasn't lowered his power to the absolute limit. And it isn't that Goku isn't paying attention. He has relaxed himself because he thinks he has won. I'm sure beginning of Z Piccolo could kill SSGSS if Goku was the way he was in this scene. Same for Tao Pai Pai.

If Goku relaxed himself he wouldn't be in SSGSS form anymore.

Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P11.1-2
Vegeta: “When we Saiyans revive from the brink of death, our strength increases! So go ahead and half-kill me! There’s no effect if I try to kill myself! You do it! Quickly! Freeza is about to perform his final transformation!”
Kuririn: “I-I couldn't half-kill you with my power…”
Vegeta: “Don’t worry…I’ll lower my battle power to its limit…! It’s fortunate that the Namekian brat who can instantly heal people is here…”

That is the only way Krillin could hurt Vegeta. He says he'll lower his battle power down so Krillin can hurt him. Hell Cell has been off guard several times and he's not hurt in the least by people attacking him. Boo is caught of guard several times and isn't harmed in the least. Also Cell is on par with Gohan. Half strength or not that's far closer than a mere ring and a god. It's arguable Cell is even stronger than Gohan, start a thread and see the case for that. To suggest that Goku in his powered up form lowered his power that much is absolutely ridiculous to cover shit writing. It's so stupid how easily this point could come across if Sorbet distracted Goku, and then Freeza was the one who pierced his heart. But no that'd make too much sense.

[Hitiro]

Shisami isn't treated as anything special. Freeza even remarks this as he calls the entire army fodder.

When exactly does he say that?

That is grasping. Rank means jack shit to Freeza. Why does the message get to be cherry picked for Tagoma to be weak in that statement, but Shisami is actually super duper strong? Again the Ginyu Force rank higher than Dodoria and Zarbon, and they are stronger. So Shisami is ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than? That doesn't make sense. Ranks are assigned via how strong someone is. Neither Tagoma or Shisami are some special advisers or diplomats. They're ranked based on how strong they are. They were ranked among Dodoria and Zarbons tier.

It is hardly grasping or cherry picking. We see that Tagoma is weak because Freeza kills him outright. We see that Shisami is strong because he can deal with Piccolo. We're never given any indication what his strength was or whether he trained. So we definitely can put him above Freeza and below Tagoma. Nothing contradicts that. The Ginyu Force are a special task force. So no, Shisami isn't ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than. Zarbon was considered to be Freeza's right-hand man and a general in the Daizenshuu. That places Zarbon above Ginyu even though he is clearly weaker. Ranks are certainly not assigned to how strong someone is in the army. There are plenty of high-ranking generals who got to where they were without having to be a good fighter. A lot of armies are based on politics. Do you think Gadaffi became Colonel because he is strong? No. He literally gave himself that title.

That is simply your opinion. We're never told that it is Freeza's strength they need to fix things. Just that they need Freeza back so that they can fix the army. Like I said Freeza could just be a figure head to in still the fear into those planets and then they can deal with the minority. Nothing says that it can't play out that way. It certainly plays out that way in a lot of other stories. Like the ones I mentioned.

Freeza's strength is why they wanted him back. The whole point is Freeza's army is garbage and can't accomplish their goals anymore. Freeza further supports this by saying how pitiful his army is.

When did they ever say they wanted him back because of his strength? I've seen no such lines. And it is true that Freeza's army is garbage. He has gone from having 12 subordinates in the 10,000's to 2. So yes, his army is rubbish.

His presence can certainly do that. Like I've told you already it happens a lot in other stories with people much weaker than Freeza. Commander Garma Zabi would literally only be able to take down a few mobile suits. Something any mobile pilot should be able to manage. Yet his "resurrection" drove reform within the Zeon forces and allowed them to win several battles just knowing he is alive as it demotivated the Earth Federation and motivated the Zeon forces.

There's 1000's of planets and only 1 actual person to fear. Freeza alone wouldn't change anything as Freeza can't be in 1000 places at once. He only was a problem because he had a formidable fighting force on his side. They were his eyes and ears. Without them he can't subjugate worlds as the minute he leaves, his mooks are powerless again.

Just like how in several other stories it does change things? You can keep saying Freeza alone wouldn't change anything but there are several stories in which it does. Hell, as long as Colonel Gadaffi or Osama Bin Laden were alive then we'd continue to have problems. And they weren't exactly strong in the military department. Either of them.

If Goku relaxed himself he wouldn't be in SSGSS form anymore.

Him relaxing himself doesn't mean he would lose a transformation. Why would that be the case? All he needs to do is maintain a conscious effort to hold the form. That doesn't mean he can't relax while he is maintaining it.

That is the only way Krillin could hurt Vegeta. He says he'll lower his battle power down so Krillin can hurt him. Hell Cell has been off guard several times and he's not hurt in the least by people attacking him. Boo is caught of guard several times and isn't harmed in the least. Also Cell is on par with Gohan. Half strength or not that's far closer than a mere ring and a god. It's arguable Cell is even stronger than Gohan, start a thread and see the case for that. To suggest that Goku in his powered up form lowered his power that much is absolutely ridiculous to cover shit writing. It's so stupid how easily this point could come across if Sorbet distracted Goku, and then Freeza was the one who pierced his heart. But no that'd make too much sense.

You're mixing being relaxed with being caught off-guard. They aren't the same thing. You can be in a state of being relaxed while being caught off-guard, yes. But you don't have to be caught- off guard to be relaxed. Cell was only on par with Gohan because Gohan was relaxed to the point of that. If Gohan is twice as strong as Cell he would not have been hurt by that blast. That is pretty obvious. Goku was clearly relaxed to the point that the beam from that ring was strong enough to do damage. Which Whis did warn him against. Honestly you're looking for a problem that isn't there.

The real problems with this movie are probably the whole Gohan saying he "might" be able to go SSJ when he should be able to anyway. Not that much time has passed between the two movies. He should still be able to manage it. And Kame-sennin being able to fight against Freeza's army. There are probably some other issues I'm forgetting but the ring beam and Shisami aren't issues.

[dbzfan7]

Shisami isn't treated as anything special. Freeza even remarks this as he calls the entire army fodder.

When exactly does he say that?

That is grasping. Rank means jack shit to Freeza. Why does the message get to be cherry picked for Tagoma to be weak in that statement, but Shisami is actually super duper strong? Again the Ginyu Force rank higher than Dodoria and Zarbon, and they are stronger. So Shisami is ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than? That doesn't make sense. Ranks are assigned via how strong someone is. Neither Tagoma or Shisami are some special advisers or diplomats. They're ranked based on how strong they are. They were ranked among Dodoria and Zarbons tier.

It is hardly grasping or cherry picking. We see that Tagoma is weak because Freeza kills him outright. We see that Shisami is strong because he can deal with Piccolo. We're never given any indication what his strength was or whether he trained. So we definitely can put him above Freeza and below Tagoma. Nothing contradicts that. The Ginyu Force are a special task force. So no, Shisami isn't ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than. Zarbon was considered to be Freeza's right-hand man and a general in the Daizenshuu. That places Zarbon above Ginyu even though he is clearly weaker. Ranks are certainly not assigned to how strong someone is in the army. There are plenty of high-ranking generals who got to where they were without having to be a good fighter. A lot of armies are based on politics. Do you think Gadaffi became Colonel because he is strong? No. He literally gave himself that title.

That is simply your opinion. We're never told that it is Freeza's strength they need to fix things. Just that they need Freeza back so that they can fix the army. Like I said Freeza could just be a figure head to in still the fear into those planets and then they can deal with the minority. Nothing says that it can't play out that way. It certainly plays out that way in a lot of other stories. Like the ones I mentioned.

Freeza's strength is why they wanted him back. The whole point is Freeza's army is garbage and can't accomplish their goals anymore. Freeza further supports this by saying how pitiful his army is.

When did they ever say they wanted him back because of his strength? I've seen no such lines. And it is true that Freeza's army is garbage. He has gone from having 12 subordinates in the 10,000's to 2. So yes, his army is rubbish.

His presence can certainly do that. Like I've told you already it happens a lot in other stories with people much weaker than Freeza. Commander Garma Zabi would literally only be able to take down a few mobile suits. Something any mobile pilot should be able to manage. Yet his "resurrection" drove reform within the Zeon forces and allowed them to win several battles just knowing he is alive as it demotivated the Earth Federation and motivated the Zeon forces.

There's 1000's of planets and only 1 actual person to fear. Freeza alone wouldn't change anything as Freeza can't be in 1000 places at once. He only was a problem because he had a formidable fighting force on his side. They were his eyes and ears. Without them he can't subjugate worlds as the minute he leaves, his mooks are powerless again.

Just like how in several other stories it does change things? You can keep saying Freeza alone wouldn't change anything but there are several stories in which it does. Hell, as long as Colonel Gadaffi or Osama Bin Laden were alive then we'd continue to have problems. And they weren't exactly strong in the military department. Either of them.

If Goku relaxed himself he wouldn't be in SSGSS form anymore.

Him relaxing himself doesn't mean he would lose a transformation. Why would that be the case? All he needs to do is maintain a conscious effort to hold the form. That doesn't mean he can't relax while he is maintaining it.

That is the only way Krillin could hurt Vegeta. He says he'll lower his battle power down so Krillin can hurt him. Hell Cell has been off guard several times and he's not hurt in the least by people attacking him. Boo is caught of guard several times and isn't harmed in the least. Also Cell is on par with Gohan. Half strength or not that's far closer than a mere ring and a god. It's arguable Cell is even stronger than Gohan, start a thread and see the case for that. To suggest that Goku in his powered up form lowered his power that much is absolutely ridiculous to cover shit writing. It's so stupid how easily this point could come across if Sorbet distracted Goku, and then Freeza was the one who pierced his heart. But no that'd make too much sense.

You're mixing being relaxed with being caught off-guard. They aren't the same thing. You can be in a state of being relaxed while being caught off-guard, yes. But you don't have to be caught- off guard to be relaxed. Cell was only on par with Gohan because Gohan was relaxed to the point of that. If Gohan is twice as strong as Cell he would not have been hurt by that blast. That is pretty obvious. Goku was clearly relaxed to the point that the beam from that ring was strong enough to do damage. Which Whis did warn him against. Honestly you're looking for a problem that isn't there.

The real problems with this movie are probably the whole Gohan saying he "might" be able to go SSJ when he should be able to anyway. Not that much time has passed between the two movies. He should still be able to manage it. And Kame-sennin being able to fight against Freeza's army. There are probably some other issues I'm forgetting but the ring beam and Shisami aren't issues.

I'm not gonna pig headily argue these points back and forth. This is getting tedious. You sure as hell haven't convinced me of shit, and I as well it seems. I ain't mixing anything up. I just highly disagree with your viewpoint. If you feel it all works, kudos. I highly disagree and am not wasting my time further going back and forth with this.

[Hugo Boss]

That is grasping. Rank means jack shit to Freeza. Why does the message get to be cherry picked for Tagoma to be weak in that statement, but Shisami is actually super duper strong? Again the Ginyu Force rank higher than Dodoria and Zarbon, and they are stronger. So Shisami is ranked lower than a bunch of people he's much stronger than? That doesn't make sense. Ranks are assigned via how strong someone is. Neither Tagoma or Shisami are some special advisers or diplomats. They're ranked based on how strong they are. They were ranked among Dodoria and Zarbons tier.

This is what has been disturbing me. It really doesn't make sense to rank a soldier other than by their abilities. Guldo was on the Ginyu Special Squad, but he actually had a ability to be a worthy member of that party, while Zarbon and Dodoria weren't qualified to belong to that rank. Abo and Cado were ranked with the Ginyus, but they weren't anything special without fusion or the kage bushin techniques.

[supercat]

Many fans seem to have a hard time justifying Shisami training or starting off with massive amounts of power because nothing has been shown or mentioned to directly correlate to either one of these possibilities. On the contrary, it seems a good amount of fans have no problem going with the possibility that Piccolo now wields a power that is close to Zarbon / Dodoria, despite the fact that there has been no indication of Piccolo suffering such a decrease in power.

Personally, I don't find it impossible that an elite warrior who is possibly a mutant could have obtained a Piccolo / Cell Jr. tier battle through vigorous training. With all the mind-boggling power increases we've seen up until now, it doesn't seem like an impossible transition. Members of Frieza's army have been referred to as mutants in the past, so it doesn't seem far-fetched for Shisami to fall into that category, especially if we factor in his high rank within the organization. Whether his rank is based on power or other characteristics is not as relevant as the fact that he is in that position at all. Just from that indication alone, I would say even if he isn't initially as powerful as a fighter that is around Piccolo / Cell Jr. tier, at the very least, it seems possible for him to be a mutant who does have the ability to increase his battle power through training or other means.

[buutenks]

Most likely goku can rest his ki in his ssj god state so his body is very vulenrable to any type of attacks.basically he alters his ki so he becomes very weak while relaxed.

[Sora Saiyan]

Most likely goku can rest his ki in his ssj god state so his body is very vulenrable to any type of attacks.basically he alters his ki so he becomes very weak while relaxed.

Yeah I agree with this, to me this new form is exactly like his FPSSJ form, he can sleep, chill out and drop his power insanely low. He can still almost instantaneously raise his power like he did against Jheese and Burta, but Goku is left vulnerable if caught by surprise, the same way Sprbet caught him.

[supercat]

Most likely goku can rest his ki in his ssj god state so his body is very vulenrable to any type of attacks.basically he alters his ki so he becomes very weak while relaxed.

Yeah I agree with this, to me this new form is exactly like his FPSSJ form, he can sleep, chill out and drop his power insanely low. He can still almost instantaneously raise his power like he did against Jheese and Burta, but Goku is left vulnerable if caught by surprise, the same way Sprbet caught him.

I feel like it's that mastered / full power state that enables him to relax and drop his power that low. I think that same level of suppression would not be possible in the regular SSJ forms, as it is a powered up state that is straining on the body to maintain.

[Sora Saiyan]

Yep, I agree with that. SSJGSS is his FPSSJ enhanced with God power, it's already mastered which is why he can relax a ridiculous amount.

[Low Tone G]

Yep, I agree with that. SSJGSS is his FPSSJ enhanced with God power, it's already mastered which is why he can relax a ridiculous amount.

I can also agree with that theory.

[Doctor.]

I thought it was already obvious that was the case. That's not what makes it stupid, Goku not sensing Sorbet, Goku not reacting to the beam and Goku suppressing his power so low when Freeza is right in front of him is what's stupid.

[Sora Saiyan]

Yes it is ridiculous, but Goku did the same thing against Jheese and Burta. He dropped his power and spiked it so quickly they couldn't pick up on it. Now with Goku supposedly being cocky he was probably only paying attention to Freeza so he got hit by surprise with his power way too low, the same thing could've happened against Jheese and Burta if he got attacked by somebody he didn't know was there.

[Doctor.]

Yes it is ridiculous, but Goku did the same thing against Jheese and Burta. He dropped his power and spiked it so quickly they couldn't pick up on it. Now with Goku supposedly being cocky he was probably only paying attention to Freeza so he got hit by surprise with his power way too low, the same thing could've happened against Jheese and Burta if he got attacked by somebody he didn't know was there.

I guess you could put that scenario to use when Majin Vegeta knocked out Goku. Still, the difference between Goku and Sorbet is so ridiculously huge that I can't buy it that he almost got killed by him.

[buutenks]

I thought it was already obvious that was the case. That's not what makes it stupid, Goku not sensing Sorbet, Goku not reacting to the beam and Goku suppressing his power so low when Freeza is right in front of him is what's stupid.

Oh dont worry about that.That is normal ^^.Kinda like how krillin didnt kill freeza when he used the solar flare.Or how cell could use the solar flare on piccolo even though piccolo new the stance and could have immediately closed his eyes.Or goku being koed by vegeta even though apparently in the android saga he could sense what trunks was up to yet didnt with vegeta,guess he took his guard down haha ^^

Basically its lack of paying attention.

That is called inconsistency.Not much u can do about.

[Hitiro]

I thought it was already obvious that was the case. That's not what makes it stupid, Goku not sensing Sorbet, Goku not reacting to the beam and Goku suppressing his power so low when Freeza is right in front of him is what's stupid.

He may well have sensed Sorbet. But the ring beam probably isn't a Ki beam so he would not have been able to react to it as such. It's like how Spider-man can react to most things but he can't react to attacks from Venom because Venom has an anti-spider sense ability. In this case the beam from Sorbet's ring may as well be an anti-Ki sense attack.

[supercat]

Yes it is ridiculous, but Goku did the same thing against Jheese and Burta. He dropped his power and spiked it so quickly they couldn't pick up on it. Now with Goku supposedly being cocky he was probably only paying attention to Freeza so he got hit by surprise with his power way too low, the same thing could've happened against Jheese and Burta if he got attacked by somebody he didn't know was there.

I guess you could put that scenario to use when Majin Vegeta knocked out Goku. Still, the difference between Goku and Sorbet is so ridiculously huge that I can't buy it that he almost got killed by him.

Well assuming Goku can suppress himself down as low as he wants while in the form he was in, it wouldn't surprise me that he completely dropped his power as low as possible expecting Frieza to be the only threat. Meaning, he probably didn't take his environment into consideration at all, and assumed Frieza should be his center of focus. He was probably confident in his ability to react to anything Frieza had to throw at him at the time, without ever realizing that there could have been a different threat that could cause massive amounts of harm to him while he was in his suppressed state.

Plus if that blast came from Sorbet's ring, there may have been a chance the attack was not a ki based attack. Meaning, Goku may not have been able to sense the attack because there was no ki that he can pick up off of the attack.

The whole thing with Goku vs the Ginyu Force, and constantly suppressing and increasing as needed is a bit different as he was completely aware that the two Ginyu Force members he was fighting was his center of focus. Not to mention, he was likely fully aware of everything they had to throw at him since he could fully sense their ki and/or the ki of their attacks.

[bleed0range]

Yes it is ridiculous, but Goku did the same thing against Jheese and Burta. He dropped his power and spiked it so quickly they couldn't pick up on it. Now with Goku supposedly being cocky he was probably only paying attention to Freeza so he got hit by surprise with his power way too low, the same thing could've happened against Jheese and Burta if he got attacked by somebody he didn't know was there.

I guess you could put that scenario to use when Majin Vegeta knocked out Goku. Still, the difference between Goku and Sorbet is so ridiculously huge that I can't buy it that he almost got killed by him.

Well assuming Goku can suppress himself down as low as he wants while in the form he was in, it wouldn't surprise me that he completely dropped his power as low as possible expecting Freeza to be the only threat. Meaning, he probably didn't take his environment into consideration at all, and assumed Freeza should be his center of focus. He was probably confident in his ability to react to anything Freeza had to throw at him at the time, without ever realizing that there could have been a different threat that could cause massive amounts of harm to him while he was in his suppressed state.

Plus if that blast came from Sorbet's ring, there may have been a chance the attack was not a ki based attack. Meaning, Goku may not have been able to sense the attack because there was no ki that he can pick up off of the attack.

The whole thing with Goku vs the Ginyu Force, and constantly suppressing and increasing as needed is a bit different as he was completely aware that the two Ginyu Force members he was fighting was his center of focus. Not to mention, he was likely fully aware of everything they had to throw at him since he could fully sense their ki and/or the ki of their attacks.

Yeah, why would Goku be worried about Sorbet? The blast coming from Sorbet's ring means his ring is the object that contains that power not him himself... which means Goku wouldn't really be concerned by any others around him. Why should he? The ring being used as an attack is a pretty uncommon thing to happen in DB. Like you said, it may not be a ki based attack.

[supercat]

Well assuming Goku can suppress himself down as low as he wants while in the form he was in, it wouldn't surprise me that he completely dropped his power as low as possible expecting Freeza to be the only threat. Meaning, he probably didn't take his environment into consideration at all, and assumed Freeza should be his center of focus. He was probably confident in his ability to react to anything Freeza had to throw at him at the time, without ever realizing that there could have been a different threat that could cause massive amounts of harm to him while he was in his suppressed state.

Plus if that blast came from Sorbet's ring, there may have been a chance the attack was not a ki based attack. Meaning, Goku may not have been able to sense the attack because there was no ki that he can pick up off of the attack.

The whole thing with Goku vs the Ginyu Force, and constantly suppressing and increasing as needed is a bit different as he was completely aware that the two Ginyu Force members he was fighting was his center of focus. Not to mention, he was likely fully aware of everything they had to throw at him since he could fully sense their ki and/or the ki of their attacks.

Yeah, why would Goku be worried about Sorbet? The blast coming from Sorbet's ring means his ring is the object that contains that power not him himself... which means Goku wouldn't really be concerned by any others around him. Why should he? The ring being used as an attack is a pretty uncommon thing to happen in DB. Like you said, it may not be a ki based attack.

Right? I feel if Sorbet had used some kind of ki based attack to sneak up on Goku, it would have been sensed, deflected, and/or dodged. It wouldn't surprise me if Goku suppressed his battle power to 5, thinking he could instantaneously raise it back to a level that was appropriate to counter anything Freeza may throw at him. At that particular time, I feel like Goku was not expecting someone other than Freeza attacking him, let alone some attack that has no traceable ki.

[rereboy]

which means Goku wouldn't really be concerned by any others around him. Why should he?

Er... Because he is an experienced warrior that knows that sometimes opponents can make surprise attacks which he wouldn't be able to counter if he suppressed so much of his power...? Freeza was still in fighting shape and still extremely powerful. Goku dropping his power so much in front of him doesn't make much sense, whether he expected to be attacked by other fighters or not.

It was a dumb move, much dumber than any move Goku has ever done fighting-wise that clearly seems more tailored to introduce a plot element (Goku down, Vegeta going in) than an organic development.

[Sora Saiyan]

which means Goku wouldn't really be concerned by any others around him. Why should he?

Er... Because he is an experienced warrior that knows that sometimes opponents can make surprise attacks which he wouldn't be able to counter if he suppressed so much of his power...? Freeza was still in fighting shape and still extremely powerful. Goku dropping his power so much in front of him doesn't make much sense, whether he expected to be attacked by other fighters or not.

It was a dumb move, much dumber than any move Goku has ever done fighting-wise that clearly seems more tailored to introduce a plot element (Goku down, Vegeta going in) than an organic development.

Yeah it was a bone head move by Goku really. He must've kept his power low like he did against Recoome, Jheese and Burta, but this time he was only aware of Freeza so he didn't raise it when Sorbet attacked due to not knowing Sorbet was there, or not expecting an attack.