Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:43 pm

I don't know. If that was the case, why don't we have a Dragon Box? That could have milked a lot more too.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:46 pm

I'd say that's because that's just a "treatment" of the Dragon Ball show. Say what you want about the Dragon Box, but it's not a different show than what is on the Season Sets. It may look far better, but basically...they probably think they wouldn't gain more from the US revenue than they'd lose by having Japanese citizens import an actually reasonably-priced Dragon Box.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:48 pm

Yeah but they'd still get a lot of money from the US market for Dragon Boxes. As for these, I'd get them, but I wouldn't like it. Spending another dime on Dragon Ball-related merchandise (not counting the Season Sets which have yet to be completed) is like another stab into my chest.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:51 pm

About the whole possibility of Toei using cropped footage, I honestly don't care. I trust Toei more than FUNi when it comes to stuff like this. 'nuff said.

As for the new title, I agree with a previous post that it woulda made more sense if they were to at least keep the original name followed by the subname. So something like DBZ:Kai would have made more sense for me. Though I guess I don't mind the new title that much. Lemme test it out:

- Hey DC, whatcha doin'?
- Oh, you know, just watching some DBK.

For some reason, I've been referring to the series as DBR ("R" for "remastered") in my head and I've gotten somewhat used to that. Now to have to move from a suave sounding "R" to a more solid sounding "K"... eh, I guess it's not the worst of my problems.

sbk · Post by **sbk** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:29 pm

Kendamu wrote:In terms of what's captured on the frame, what's the difference between

and

What's the difference? It was stated before that Toei was drawing more frame onto the sides to make it true 16:9, but I'm seeing cropping here. I don't want to believe that Toei just cropped the frame. Is Goku closer in one frame than he is in the other? I don't know the anime well enough to tell the difference.

This right here tells me that they're flying toward the "camera" and that means I shouldn't be worried about copping:

So, can someone confirm it for me?

Thanks!

Wait, so they are pretty much going to do the same thing as funimation? LOL.

B · Post by B » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:55 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Yeah but they'd still get a lot of money from the US market for Dragon Boxes.

Not really. It's the curse of big popularity: People will buy virtually anything with a familiar logo on it. I don't see Dragon Ball doing any better or worse in the U.S. just because FUNimation decided to shovel out the cash for the Dragon Boxes. Dragon Ball's been around a good while and pretty much has its fans and haters; sales aren't gonna shoot up/plummet because of the picture quality.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:07 pm

sbk wrote:Wait, so they are pretty much going to do the same thing as funimation? LOL.

I don't know. All we have to go on is one tiny screenshot within an article of something that's moving toward the screen. So, that's why I'm asking if anyone knows anymore about it than I do.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:13 pm

I don't think that's the same shot. The one in the magazine and the one I posted both have the mountains in the background.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:20 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:I don't think that's the same shot. The one in the magazine and the one I posted both have the mountains in the background.

I think the first Brick screen I posted is the same scene as the one from the latest advertisement. The second Brick screen was just there for further comparison.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:20 pm

I don't think they move towards the screen, actually. I think the background moves and changes to simulate movement. Am I wrong in this?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:22 pm

I actually watched the clip (from Season 1) and what it is, is it shows them coming in and then the camera kinda freezes on them for a second or 2 and then they dash towards. When the camera is in place on them, it's virtually the same shot. The only way that anyone could say they didn't crop it, is if that shot was taken as they were speeding forward towards the camera (zooming themselves in). If that's the case, then...weird moment to take a screen shot. And yes, it's the one with the mountains in it. But a funny thing, look at the Nimbus (Kinto Un) in the magazine pic. It's actually got considerably less to the sides than in the Season 1 screen shot. That's the only real thing that might lead me to believe that it is when they started dashing forward when this was taken.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:34 pm

From what the DaizEX front page is saying, apparently it's being cropped. However, the scenes that look awkward when cropped are getting some horizontal extension so that they can be in 16:9 without being awkward looking.

While I'm not a fan of cropping, it was never my biggest problem with the bricks. I actually got over the cropping pretty quickly once I watched some episodes. My biggest problems were Season 2 (the whole thing) and disappearing lines. I trust that, based on how well the DBoxes turned out, Toei isn't going to halfass this and they're going to use a damn good film master.

I'm not happy with the apparent cropping, but I'll live.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:07 pm

Kendamu wrote:
sbk wrote:Wait, so they are pretty much going to do the same thing as funimation? LOL.
I don't know. All we have to go on is one tiny screenshot within an article of something that's moving toward the screen. So, that's why I'm asking if anyone knows anymore about it than I do.

I compared the piccolo shot and it is indeed cropped on the top and bottom. Who knows what the hell Toei is doing with these though.

Edit: New (more accurate) comparison:

The red line shows the border of the screen shot from the ad. The dragon box shot is underneath all of them and the remastered Funi shot is inbetween.

Yeah, the dragon box shot is not the exact same frame, but the background and position of piccolo is exactly the same. The only difference between the dragon box shot and the others is the (progressive) position of the beam.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:17 pm

By the looks of it, the cropping wasn't just a straight-up auto-crop but an actual re-framing. What's the gain/loss percentage on that?

DBZOceanHD · Post by **DBZOceanHD** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:22 pm

Hmm ... I think if it was not just an auto-crop but re-framing the shot, I guess I would be more okay with it.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:24 pm

Kendamu wrote:By the looks of it, the cropping wasn't just a straight-up auto-crop but an actual re-framing.

Well, if I'm looking at that comparison image right, then the image from the ad is slimmer than the image from the season set. Meaning it's not 16 by 9. Meaning it's not a direct image from Dragon Ball Kai, but rather, probably something that was cropped specifically to be put in the ad like that.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:38 pm

Kendamu wrote:By the looks of it, the cropping wasn't just a straight-up auto-crop but an actual re-framing. What's the gain/loss percentage on that?

The aspect ratio of the shot from the ad is approximately 15:9 (vs 16:9). I don't want to give an estimate as to the gain on the right side because it is not much, but the overall difference is about 6% image lost compared to the Funi shot. It's obviously not the full shot, but rather a cropped version of it used in the ad.

MajinKing · Post by **MajinKing** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:10 pm

So is that how it's going to look like?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:11 pm

I take it everyone ignored Hujio?

MajinKing · Post by **MajinKing** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:16 pm

Hmm I guese we just have to wait and see how this looks.

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Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

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