"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[GodKaio-Ken]

I dont think (as in not fully convinced) Grand Priest is evil but I do have a motive.

Now that the manga confirmed that Future Zeno erased everything I think you could speculate that Grand Priest was also erased in the future.

Perhaps when Zeno #2 appeared he realized his life can be taken by this child-monster too at any time.

[pacz360]

Even if we didn't know the ending I doubt current Goku would care that much about them to get that upset.

He gave the Grand Priest a angry glare when universe 9 was erased.

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

[Amerigo]

He gave the Grand Priest a angry glare when universe 9 was erased.

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

He cares enough to be a hero, but not enough to be a Superhero. In general, I'd imagine he cares more than any other Z-Fighter except Gohan, but he seems to get over it pretty quickly.

It's just that people expect Goku to be a Superhero like Superman and Batman, when in reality Goku simply cares more than the average person, but not enough to fret over it.

If, for instance, the universes were destroyed and nothing could bring them back, Goku would feel bad, for an hour or so, but quickly move on as if nothing happened.

[Lionel]

I have kind of an unrelated question concerning Toriyama. How do you suppose he feels about this continuation of his work as a whole? Is he genuinely committed to its progression and the furthering of universe's characters and lore? Or could he be doing this out of obligation because he was earnestly requested to return? I have heard that on at least one occasion with the Champa arc he had intended to stop before continuing on with the Future Trunks arc. Didn't he also get the inspiration to write for RoF from a song? I'm just wondering if this is what Toriyama actually wants. Being made to supervise another work for possibly years on end doesn't sound like it would be all too appealing of a prospect for him, in my opinion.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I have kind of an unrelated question concerning Toriyama. How do you suppose he feels about this continuation of his work as a whole? Is he genuinely committed to its progression and the furthering of universe's characters and lore? Or could he be doing this out of obligation because he was earnestly requested to return? I have heard that on at least one occasion with the Champa arc he had intended to stop before continuing on with the Future Trunks arc. Didn't he also get the inspiration to write for RoF from a song? I'm just wondering if this is what Toriyama actually wants. Being made to supervise another work for possibly years on end doesn't sound like it would be all too appealing of a prospect for him, in my opinion.

The facts as we know, he said he wasn't happy about something regarding Super, and he did say the idea for the Trunks arc came from editorial. However we can't put and two and two together and come up with the conclusion that he was gonna quit. He is still on board, he is doing outlines and designs if he didn't want to do these things he simply then wouldn't, he doesn't have too, he has said it himself he doesn't have to draw a weekly Manga anymore and it is great he can leave all the nitty gritty to the animation staff.

[Noah]

Will Super have the guts to show Freeza punishing someone in ToP like this?

Even if we didn't know the ending I doubt current Goku would care that much about them to get that upset.

Oh sure, he wouldn't. The same Goku that got mad after knowing Black killed his family in the future, people he never interacted before.

[Dragonballgod19]

He gave the Grand Priest a angry glare when universe 9 was erased.

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

[Ki Breaker]

Will Super have the guts to show Freeza punishing someone in ToP like this?

If shirtless goku is on the way, then yes, super's getting out of diapers and learning to handel a gun now..

[Amerigo]

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

Which is true. Goku DOES care about his family, friends, and even the lives of people in front of him. But he is willing to put the lives of them in danger for a good fight.

If Frieza had promised to never return to earth, and only seek vengeance against him elsewhere, Goku would have allowed him to go free, rebuild his empire, conquer planets, and commit genocide - if the promise of a good fight laid in the future.

[ArchedThunder]

Will Super have the guts to show Freeza punishing someone in ToP like this?

We just recently got an episode where he blew holes through a bunch of dudes and made other dudes' heads explode...

[pacz360]

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

That doesn't mean he doesn't care about them otherwise he wouldn't give a shit about black killing them.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Plus Goku was mad when Freeza started killing those assassins infront of him even with Freeza saying what does it matter if they're gonna die anyway and you can see the confliction in Goku. Goku has only cared for death when it happens in front of him and Super is staying very true to this. I don't why people think Goku is apathetic, he has shown to be the opposite throughout Super.

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

What? Him caring more about fighting does not mean he doesn't care about his family at all, so no it is not "irrelevant" at all.

[MR.Mark]

Like I said, Goku takes risks, can be selfish, and not think ahead about consequences.

To say that he doesn't care about his family and friends though is ludicrous, that example from the Zamusu arc when he discovers Goten and ChiChi were murdered was an excellent example.

You could even argue Zamasu as a villain messed with Goku and Vegeta's familys in a way more cruel and dark than even Freeza.

[Dragonballgod19]

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

What? Him caring more about fighting does not mean he doesn't care about his family at all, so no it is not "irrelevant" at all.

No I'm saying he cares more about fighting than his family yes I know he cares about them but he cares more about fighting then them

[Dragonballgod19]

Do people forget that goku was pissed the fuck off when black told him how he killed his wife and son why all of a sudden people think goku some guy that don't give a shit about people.

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

That doesn't mean he doesn't care about them otherwise he wouldn't give a shit about black killing them.

True but I'm just saying what the creator said.

[Cetra]

Toriyama said it himself that goku cares more about fighting than his own family so that pretty much irrelevant

That doesn't mean he doesn't care about them otherwise he wouldn't give a shit about black killing them.

True but I'm just saying what the creator said.

Who is one of many legal owners, not the only one.

[Dragonballgod19]

Like I said, Goku takes risks, can be selfish, and not think ahead about consequences.

To say that he doesn't care about his family and friends though is ludicrous, that example from the Zamusu arc when he discovers Goten and ChiChi were murdered was an excellent example.

You could even argue Zamasu as a villain messed with Goku and Vegeta's familys in a way more cruel and dark than even Freeza.

I argue that he did vegeta family worse imo at least he just killed goku family meanwhile they:
-they killed future bulma
-torture trunks
-literally killed everyone in the universe

[Boo Machine]

I argue that he did vegeta family worse imo at least he just killed goku family meanwhile they:
-they killed future bulma
-torture trunks
-literally killed everyone in the universe

- Same thing as he did with the Goku family. Killed loved ones. Except in the Goku's families case, he did it wearing Goku's face.
- They torture everybody. Not sure why this is exclusive to the Vegeta family.
- Again, not sure why this is something that supposed to exclusively be targeted towards the Vegeta family.

[Dragonballgod19]

I argue that he did vegeta family worse imo at least he just killed goku family meanwhile they:
-they killed future bulma
-torture trunks
-literally killed everyone in the universe

- Same thing as he did with the Goku family. Killed loved ones. Except in the Goku's families case, he did it wearing Goku's face.
- They torture everybody. Not sure why this is exclusive to the Vegeta family.
- Again, not sure why this is something that supposed to exclusively be targeted towards the Vegeta family.

Good point

[SansrivaaL]

Like I said, Goku takes risks, can be selfish, and not think ahead about consequences.

To say that he doesn't care about his family and friends though is ludicrous, that example from the Zamusu arc when he discovers Goten and ChiChi were murdered was an excellent example.

You could even argue Zamasu as a villain messed with Goku and Vegeta's familys in a way more cruel and dark than even Freeza.

I argue that he did vegeta family worse imo at least he just killed goku family meanwhile they:
-they killed future bulma
-torture trunks
-literally killed everyone in the universe

Zamasu is using Goku's own body to terrorize the multiverse and kill all mortals and GoDs (also used his body to kill his loved ones). Nothing he did to Vegeta's family is ever gonna top that.