Hit don't gives me an evil vibe. But he definitly looks like a loner to me. The only guy that threatens me is Monaka. My guess is, if Monaka is pushed to use a lot of his power, then he is going nuts. And everyone has to team up to bring him down except Hit, because he got killed by Monaka and of course Vados & Whis won't interfere.
And is God Ki really forbidden in this tournament as some of you mentioned?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
KaiserAcedia wrote:Hit don't gives me an evil vibe. But he definitly looks like a loner to me. The only guy that threatens me is Monaka. My guess is, if Monaka is pushed to use a lot of his power, then he is going nuts. And everyone has to team up to bring him down except Hit, because he got killed by Monaka and of course Vados & Whis won't interfere.
And is God Ki really forbidden in this tournament as some of you mentioned?
People are hoping that's a rule as an explanation of why there is no SSB in the manga, near as we can tell.
It's an adequate explanation, however it doesn't make much sense as I always thought that since BoG its was something that you absorbed and merged with your own Ki and it wasn't something you could turn on or off. If that's the case this would be the first instance where we are told they can turn God Ki on or off after obtaining it.
KaiserAcedia wrote:And is God Ki really forbidden in this tournament as some of you mentioned?
There is nothing metioning that in the translation that I read.
It's not forbidden, it was only stated that Gods of Destruction can not participate(and their attendants). So I might guess that there is some logic behind that Goku isn't using God Ki in the tournament, but that theory doesn't really shows enough signs to be the reality yet.
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
This just proves that Goku can simply tap into the normal energy within him (Super Saiyan) or the God energy within him (much more powerful Super Saiyan Blue). Which is no big deal.
It's not surprising that he wouldn't go Super Saiyan Blue all of a sudden just to raise his power A LITTLE.
It's as if you thought you were having a match against a fly, and then it turns out you're fighting a tiger.
You still wouldn't go "NUKE THE WHOLE CITY!!!" for that. You just up your game a little to be properly equiped, you don't go unleashing some supreme power yet for that.
Cold Skin wrote:I think you shouldn't read too much into it.
This just proves that Goku can simply tap into the normal energy within him (Super Saiyan) or the God energy within him (much more powerful Super Saiyan Blue). Which is no big deal.
It's not surprising that he wouldn't go Super Saiyan Blue all of a sudden just to raise his power A LITTLE.
It's as if you thought you were having a match against a fly, and then it turns out you're fighting a tiger.
You still wouldn't go "NUKE THE WHOLE CITY!!!" for that. You just up your game a little to be properly equiped, you don't go unleashing some supreme power yet for that.
Again we don't know yet. That's all I'm saying is that its a possibility. Just because you dont want Blue to go away doesnt mean it wont. In the same vein it doesnt mean its gone for good either. Both are real possibilities and we shouldnt be stating anything as fact, without well facts..
ArchedThunder wrote:I really don't understand why people think Goku using regular Super Saiyan means Blue is gone, that's a pretty huge leap in logic...
There is no logic. Those people just want Blue to be gone.
I did a trace and color of Fourth Form Frost, unlike the last 2 I did I actually took the liberty of making some edits, mainly evening out the eyes and pecs.
ArchedThunder wrote:I really don't understand why people think Goku using regular Super Saiyan means Blue is gone, that's a pretty huge leap in logic...
There is no logic. Those people just want Blue to be gone.
I love Frost's facial expression when he reached his final form, he actually looked annoyed that he was pushed into doing it, This makes a good parallel with Freeza who was always proud of 'showing off' his final forms and even posing with them.
TheMikado wrote:There's plenty of logical explanations. The refusal to acknowledge that it's even a remote possibility is borderline fanaticism.
No, there is not. Nothing was said in-universe, and all things considered, it wouldn't even make any sense. Like i said, people wanting it to be gone are being blind to logic here.
The very fact you're coming up with theories is because the burden of proof lies with you, not the other way around, since nothing or no one said it's gone. The only 'fact" we have is that Frost wasn't using his full potential and Goku went SS.
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ArchedThunder wrote:I really don't understand why people think Goku using regular Super Saiyan means Blue is gone, that's a pretty huge leap in logic...
There is no logic. Those people just want Blue to be gone.
There's plenty of logical explanations. The refusal to acknowledge that it's even a remote possibility is borderline fanaticism.
Explanations that people are coming up with themselves. With what we have actually been presented there is no reason at this time to assume that Blue is gone.
I don't get why people think Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is banned. I don't even know where that came from. Goku is just trying to converve energy so he can last longer but Frost some how gets the adavantage.
There is no way to know whether it's gone or not until its stated.
But to explain the SSJ form people are making up this theory that Goku can now turn God Ki off and on at will.
We were never told something like that was even possible or ever mentioned.
The Blue being gone theory is based on the below comments from Dragonball WiKi. Where for Goku and Vegeta have to train, master, and absorb.
"The form gives Goku the power to resist Beerus, but he reverts to his regular base form due to the form's time limit. However, he learns the form's godlike feeling, which allows him to use Super Saiyan God's power against Beerus even in his regular Super Saiyan form. Goku did not quite like Super Saiyan God because he could only reach that level of power with everyone else's help rather than on his own, so Goku feels content becoming able to fight at a level not too far removed from Super Saiyan God all on his own."
"In Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’, after both Goku and Vegeta achieve the Super Saiyan God form and absorb its power, training with Whis and mastering its power, they can use this new transformation."
Basically if they continued and mastered the form in the 3 years they spent in the RoSaT, I don't see why it would even need to change colors for them to retain the power.
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I don't think blue is gone, if they can bring the gold one (if it ever left) back i dont see why it can't co-exist with SSJB. It would probably be weaker than Blue. Also I believe Frost is still holding back another form, just like Goku's holding back on SSJB. I think Gold=SSG since he absorbed it in BOG, and Blue is stronger. Mabey Gold draws from the God Ki like energy while Blue is SSJ infused with the Ki, making it stronger.
Xeztin wrote:I don't think blue is gone, if they can bring the gold one (if it ever left) back i dont see why it can't co-exist with SSJB. It would probably be weaker than Blue. Also I believe Frost is still holding back another form, just like Goku's holding back on SSJB.
Thanks, I'm not saying it IS gone. I'm saying there is a plausible reason it COULD be gone.
We just don't know yet. What we get are people responding: OMG ITS DEF NOT GONE. ALL LIES! SSB FOREVER!
I'm just stating a possibility not facts.
^ But that possibility seems close to zero chance given everything we see.
Super Saiyan Blue is the symbol of Super: it's in the opening through more than one update, it's on even the most recent artworks.
If we didn't see it again with blond Super Saiyan coming back instead, it would make as much as sense as having Kid Goku in the opening and on all recent artworks when we're not going to see him in Super.
Besides, something would have been said about it, just like against Beerus.
Characters would have been surprised, and/or Vegeta would have said "yeah, we kept our God powers, but no more blue hair".
Instead, nobody is surprised: Goku has just turned Super Saiyan instead of Super Saiyan God (with blue hair). No big deal, nothing replaced.
So yes, there is a chance the blond Super Saiyan has replaced Super Saiyan Blue... just like there is a chance my house will be struck by a meteor right now, and it still won't happen.
However, this could become a possibility IN THE FUTURE, if they care to come up with something explaining why we never get to see blue hair again in the distant future (for those considering GT happens).
But not right now, when Super Saiyan Blue is still used as the symbol of the series even with this chapter, knowing that the series focuses on the Champa arc for promo, meaning Super Saiyan Blue is part of the Champa arc by definition.
^ There was no chance of SSB until they leaked the action figures because SSJ had been around for decades and was far more iconic. Obviously ignoring that the form that SSB is based on was thrown away in one arc with "mastering/merging God ki"
We have promotional material which already features SSJ in new costumes.
We know from BOG that they can go SSJ with God Ki.
We know after they master God Ki, they can go SSB.
We Know they training in the RoSaT for 3 years.
We DONT know what happens after they master SSB and what the results of their training was.
The reasons for this will be explained in the next issue so saying that no one was surprised is a poor argument when he was only SSJ for 3 pages.
There is 0 evidence at this point that they can switch between SSB and SSJ at will. That's just what people want it to be.
There is more evidence for the opposing scenario than he can turn God Ki on and off like a light switch.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Maybe after his training inside the RoSaT, he has full control of the Super Saiyan God power, so he can turn it on & off in his regular form? So, it would work like this:
Regular form (Base) ⇒ Super Saiyan ⇒ Super Saiyan 2 ⇒ Super Saiyan 3
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Super Saiyan God
Regular form (Base) with SSG power ⇒ Super Saiyan Blue
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
whatever the answer is the meltdowns will be AMAZING
