The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

I view M8 Broly as being more or less the movies equivalent of full-power Perfect Cell. So Broly can massacre all four Cell Juniors at once.

Movie 8 Broly was beaten by a SSJ Goku powered up by his fatigued friends all of whom were not as strong as there Cell Games counterparts. LSSJ Broly would get owned by Perfect Cell IMO.

That is where the term "toei punch" came from. It makes no sense how the energy from the others who can barely stand can fuel Goku enough to beat Broly. I have Full Power Perfect Cell above M8 Broly as well since Goku wasn't as strong as his Cell Games counter part. But Toei created a toei punch to end the movie. If they gave Goku there power after the senzu's healed them it would have made sense. Still I say Broly beats the Cell Juniors, but would be beaten By Cell himself. Even Moive 10 had a weird way of ending things when using Trunks.

Well to be fair they didnt exactly use a lot of energy in the fight with Broly so they can still give a good deal of energy.

[dbzfan7]

Well to be fair they didnt exactly use a lot of energy in the fight with Broly so they can still give a good deal of energy.

Well they could barely move. But i don't rule out that possibility. Still shouldn't be enough after he easily beat everyone. If they gave their ki to Goku right away, the ending would make more sense.

[SaiyanZ]

What are your guys thoughts on Goku vs Dio Brando from JJBA? Does The World have enough strength to crush organs that can at least withstand 100X Earth's G?

[Strife1]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Frieza. Each an individual fight, not all at once.
Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin
Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga
Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)
Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)
Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo (If they actually fought. He said they were in different dimensions, but Krillin and King Piccolo were in "Different" Dimensions and their power difference were around a 100 level difference)
Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion
Gokan Vs Vegetto(Base and or Ssj)

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza. Each an individual fight, not all at once.

I think Krillin is around the 1-1.5 million range by the Boo saga at best, so he'd handle all of them with relative ease.

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

I've changed my mind on this bout way too many times...having been on both sides (IE Yamcha's statement, Tien never giving up his training) I'll just go ahead and say they're equal, and that Tien wins.

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga

Trunks. I think he's comfortably above #18, while we know Vegeta was pretty weak compared to her.

Post-Rosat, I still give it to Trunks. If this Vegeta after training in the rosat a 2nd time, then I'd give it to Vegeta.

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

I think Kibito would give Gohan a really good fight, but I see Gohan's fighting skill giving him the edge in the end.

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo

I see Kaioshin demolishing Piccolo without much trouble. I think the difference in power between the two is huge.

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

With Kaio's limited training, I think Piccolo reached a level sufficient enough to handle the Ginyu members (60,000) without much trouble, sans Ginyu, so Goku would be too strong for him to at this point.

Gokan Vs Vegetto(Base and or Ssj)

Vegito. The rivalry power-up and stuff. To be honest, I really have no idea how the fusion stuff works, so I'm merely guessing.

[Kaboom]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza.

• I'd give Kuririn some extra credit and have him around the 150 thousand mark. So he'd beat Ginyu, and MAYBE beat Sauzer, but lose to anyone stronger.

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

• Barring any Kikoho or Kienzan shenanigans, Kuririn was stated to be the strongest of the Earthlings, so he beats Tenshinhan.

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga
Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)

• I see both of the Super Saiyan kids being around as strong as Stage-2 Cell, and realistically not improving by any noticeable amount from their mere week or so of Room of Spirit and Time training. So Trunks wins the first match easily, but loses the second match very badly.

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

• Kibito's stated in supplemental material to be at least a rival in power to base Gohan. If Gohan's skills and battle instincts are as dulled as they're implied to be, then Kibito will most likely win in an actual fight between them.

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo

• Kaioshin's got a decent edge on Piccolo in raw power and would probably win in a straight-up fight (as long as Piccolo's not connected to Bobbidi!). But Piccolo is a MUCH more talented, determined, and all-around competent warrior, and would put up a great fight. Think Piccolo Vs Nappa, but with Nappa being a frail wuss instead of a big meaty tank.

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

• We honestly have nothing to go on for Piccolo's power, other than that he was probably stronger than Vegeta and Nappa but still way weaker than Freeza. I doubt he was pushing 100,000 after only a few days of training (during which he apparently didn't even spar with the others or anything), so I'll give this one to Goku.

Gokan Vs Vegetto (Base and or Ssj)

• Now this is an interesting one. I have a very creative view on how "Gokan" would end up. I think that since his two halves have such radically different types of power (Gohan has his all in his singular "Ultimate" state, while Goku gets 99.999% of his from the Super Saiyan forms), Gokan would end up having a combination of the two.
  
  He'd have an abnormally powerful "base" state, and then his Super Saiyan would only make him a few times stronger than that, nowhere even near the full 50x for everyone else. But with Gohan and Goku not being optimal Fusion partners like Goku and Vegeta are, then Super Gokan's full power would end up clearly inferior to Super Vegetto's. Something like...
  
  • Gokan - 500
    • Super Saiyan - 2500
    Vegetto - 100
    • Super Saiyan - 5000
  So in short, Gokan would easily win in base, while Vegetto would easily win at Super Saiyan.

[Saiga]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza

I'm not sure where to put Boo Arc Kuririn. He's around the 75,000 mark in the Freeza Arc, and continued training up until the Android Arc. I don't think he got up to Freeza's level during that time, but I have no idea whether he kept training after that point. The Boo Arc only says that he stopped fighting, not training. If he had continued his training he'd be able to defeat Freeza. He'd lose to Slug horribly, because I think Slug's power was supposed to be closer to Freeza's final form.

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

Even if Kuririn slacked off his training, I think the gap he made with Guru's power up is too great for Tenshinhan to close in that time. If he continued training, there's no way Tenshinhan would have caught up. So either way, Kuririn takes this. Like Kaboom I'm not considering the Kikoho or Kienzan in this since they're not likely to use those techniques on each other.

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga
Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)

I think Kid Trunks would win both these fights, but he'd lose horribly to Cell Games Vegeta.

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

Gohan's rusty, and Kibito was supposed to be able to give him a good fight without Super Saiyan. I think Kibito's power exceeds Gohan's base, and with his combat skills not being up to scratch he'd lose to Kibito.

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo

Kaioshin decimates him effortlessly.

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

Goku beats him while having his power suppressed like it was against the Ginyu Force.

Gokan vs Vegetto

No idea! Seriously, I have no clue how the Gokan fusion would turn out. The Old Kaioshin seems to think he'll be able to turn into a Super Saiyan, although I would have thought that Gohan's Ultimate status would hold for the fusion as well, making it Gohan's full potential + Goku's full potential. I guess since Gokan is a new being, the ritual's "all your power in base" doesn't apply to him.

Still have no idea how strong he is, though.

[Rocketman]

Gokhan gets Gohan's battle stupids and Goku's everything-else stupids, poor man.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza. Each an individual fight, not all at once.

Krillin

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

Tien

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga

Kid Trunks

Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)

Vegeta

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

Gohan

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo (If they actually fought. He said they were in different dimensions, but Krillin and King Piccolo were in "Different" Dimensions and their power difference were around a 100 level difference)

Kaioshin

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

Goku

Gokan Vs Vegetto(Base and or Ssj)

Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”
I'm gonna assume Vegetto based on that.

[dbzfan7]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza. Each an individual fight, not all at once.

I would think he could beat Ginyu and Sauza. But I don't think he reached Freeza. He never did any intense training as I recall

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

Depending on how Tenshinhan trained decides the outcome. If he did normal training he loses, anything drastic like gravity training(doubtful) he wins.

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga

Kid Trunks wins

Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)

Vegeta wins. I don't think Trunks got much stronger post rosat, Gotenks was the one who got a significant increase besides SSJ3. Even with SSJ, Vegeta has Grade 2.

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

Daiz 7

An old-looking man who works as Kaioshin's attendant. Though a good person, it seems that at first he was disdainful of Gohan and the other humans of the lower world, and did not trust in Super Saiyan power. His battle power is considerably high, enough to give Gohan a difficult fight as long as he wasn't a Super Saiyan.

Based on that I would think Gohan is still stronger. Difficult fight to me means that he could put up one hell of a fight, but not win. So I say Gohan

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo

Kaioshin wins, even though he has done practically nothing to show off his power but a few things.

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

Goku easily

Gokan Vs Vegetto(Base and or Ssj)

I would say Gokan. Vegetto would be more complete since his fusee's would cover for each other's mistakes, but Gokan's raw power would probably win him the fight.

[Enbi]

Buu Saga Krillin Vs. Ginyu, Sauza, Lord Slug(Young), and First form Freeza. Each an individual fight, not all at once.

Honestly, I think Krillin can take them even all at once. He should at least be higher than Base Goku on Namek...I just feel like it wouldn't make sense for him not to be.

Tenshinhan Buu Saga Vs. Buu Saga Krillin

Krillin. AT said so in an interview.

Kid Trunks Pre Rosat Vs. Vegeta Android Saga

Easy win for Kid Trunks, even in base. 18 played with this Vegeta, and she called this Trunks a strong dude in his base form.

Not to mention that Goten is honestly pretty darn close to Teen Gohan..

Kid Trunks Post Rosat Vs. Vegeta Post Rosat(Android Saga)

Even Kid Trunks pre-RST should take this. Kid Trunks pre-RST would be a challenge to Teen Gohan; this Vegeta probably wouldn't even touch Teen Gohan IMO.

Kibito Vs. Base Gohan(During the Budokai)

Easy win for Gohan; he'd beat even Kaioshin in base with little effort, honestly.

Supreme Kai Vs. Piccolo (If they actually fought. He said they were in different dimensions, but Krillin and King Piccolo were in "Different" Dimensions and their power difference were around a 100 level difference)

Piccolo. Kaioshin was giving off no chi, so I don't see any reason that makes Kaioshin being above Piccolo a necessity. I also believe Piccolo to be superior to the Base Saiyans, who should be superior to Kaioshin.

Goku Ginyu Saga Vs. Piccolo Pre Nail fusion

Piccolo takes this too. Nail implied that two times Piccolo's power could possibly take 1st form Freeza, if I remember right. Goku can't accomplish that yet (although he'd win if he uses higher levels of Kaio-ken).

Gokan Vs Vegetto(Base and or Ssj)

I'd say Vegetto, personally...I mean, why not? He's said to be 'the strongest', we get to see Vegetto in the manga and not Gokan...he might as well be stronger.

[dbzfan7]

Muten Roshi (Max Power/No Drawbacks) vs DB

He probably had the biggest destruction feat in DB by destroying the moon. Now take that power, with no drawbacks such as strains, speed loss, or massive energy loss, and I think Muten Roshi would be very formidable. How far would he go. I say power wise he would beat tambourine and maybe Old Piccolo Daimao as an exaggeration.

[Enbi]

Muten Roshi (Max Power/No Drawbacks) vs DB

He probably had the biggest destruction feat in DB by destroying the moon. Now take that power, with no drawbacks such as strains, speed loss, or massive energy loss, and I think Muten Roshi would be very formidable. How far would he go. I say power wise he would beat tambourine and maybe Old Piccolo Daimao as an exaggeration.

Heck, he might even take Young Piccolo Daimao.

I don't recall too well, but Young Piccolo Daimao busting a city was apparently a really big deal, whereas Roshi had busted the moon...see the comparison?

I think Young Piccolo Daimao was weakened when he did that, but it still seems odd that city-destroying would be considered impressive if he's supposed to outstrip Roshi (power-wise)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Muten Roshi (Max Power/No Drawbacks) vs DB

He would go up to Tamburine & Drum. He was absolutely sure that he didn't stand a chance against Piccolo Daimao.

[Pantalones]

I don't think he could handle Piccolo Daimao (either young or old) in a hand-to-hand fight even when bulked-up (since he didn't seem to think he had a chance against Piccolo, after all), but... his Kamehameha very well might be powerful enough to take out Piccolo, if it could destroy the entire moon like that.

Even Piccolo Jr. doesn't manage that kind of destruction until his power level gets into the 400s, after all (and that was with an ordinary blast, not something big... suggesting that Roshi's max-power Kamehameha might've reached the low-400s range to be able to do the same thing. Even if his own "base" power is a lot lower than that, it would make sense for the Kamehameha to be higher; kinda like how Goku's Kamehameha was close to 1000 against Raditz even though Goku himself didn't ever go above the low/mid 400s.)

The only problem would be actually hitting him with it, since I kinda doubt he'd just stand there and take it if he had any idea how strong it was going to be.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I've seen this topic a lot and quite frankly I have yet to see any reason for Broly to be above Cell. This really more of a feats and capabilities comparison. I want to know why people think Broly is so powerful.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SS2 Gohan couldn't do shit against Broli, while he could kill Cell. I would put Broli in Movie 10 around Good Boo, or Pure Evil Boo at most.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

SS2 Gohan couldn't do shit against Broli, while he could kill Cell.

An unenraged SS2 Gohan couldn't do shit against Broli...

[TheMightyOzaru]

SS2 Gohan couldn't do shit against Broli, while he could kill Cell. I would put Broli in Movie 10 around Good Boo, or Pure Evil Boo at most.

You do realize that Broly had trouble with that Gohan and that Gohan was weaker and lacked anger =/. SSJ2 Movie 10 Gohan is no where near as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Vegeta makes this clear.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

True, but still we can't know if enraged Gohan could beat Broli. The full power Kamehameha that was fired by SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan & SS Goten couldn't break Broli's Barrier, and we know that for a Barrier to withstand damage, it must emit at least twice more ki than the attack. Even if Goku & Gohan were still Super Saiyans instead of Super Saiyan 2, if Broli was equal to Cell, I'm sure the Barrier would break, but it didn't.

And Gohan didn't get any weaker, nor any stronger, it was just much more difficult to draw power from his rage.