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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:35 am

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Sailor Haumea wrote:I prefer dub names.
I actually like the vast majority of filler.
I prefer Sean Schemmel to Masako Nozawa.
I agree with all of these. Can't say for sure on Kai because I haven't watched it for a long time.
Same here. Only exception is the Freeza Saga filler (fake Namek, Bulma and the Crab)

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:22 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:I prefer dub names.
I actually like the vast majority of filler.
I prefer Sean Schemmel to Masako Nozawa.
I agree with all of these. Can't say for sure on Kai because I haven't watched it for a long time.
Same here. Only exception is the Freeza Saga filler (fake Namek, Bulma and the Crab)
I like Ginyu-Bulma.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hyena_Yamcha » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:25 pm

*i think that the 23rd budokai tenkaichi/saiyans saga character design was the best

*i like the development that Gohan got in dragon ball super
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kaboom » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:32 pm

I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:34 pm

Kaboom wrote:I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
Yeah, I never got why it's so unpopular. Like you said, it's an established fact, not an opinion.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cetra » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:34 pm

Kaboom wrote:I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
To be fair the manga says a lot of things that whenever people bring it up in an argument, people say "but ...", so doing that in this case is not really any more illegitimate.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:27 pm

Kaboom wrote:Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
I think this is more a case of a memetic meme overblown out of proportion (Kuririn getting killed/owned) that overshadows facts (Kuririn IS a very strong dude, not Saiyan level of power but still strong nonetheless).
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:38 pm

Kaboom wrote:I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
Krillin is only established in the manga as stronger in a indirect comment by Yamcha that doesn't even mention Tenshinhan, so, although it is there, the manga does not make it very clear. In fact, for anyone not paying close attention, the most natural assumption/interpretation is that Tenshinhan is stronger,, going by the fact that Tenshinhan starts out as stronger than Krillin, going by the fact that it's not made clear when Krillin surpasses him, going by the way Tenshinhan acts and Krillin acts, going by what Tenshinhan does combat-wise in the Cell and Buu sagas compared to Krillin, and going by the fact that Tenshinhan kept training while Krillin didn't, so it doesn't surprise me at all that Krillin being stronger is unpopular.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by nickzambuto » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:04 pm

Kaboom wrote:I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
It's just so difficult to believe when the actual story portrays Ten as the most powerful at every point.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:06 pm

nickzambuto wrote:
Kaboom wrote:I would post "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling (and thus stronger than Tenshinhan)" but that's an established fact, not an opinion. Still, it's flabbergasting that it's so unpopular. Or maybe most people don't care, and there's simply a willfully ignorant portion of Tenshinhan's fanbase that's very outspoken.
It's just so difficult to believe when the actual story portrays Ten as the most powerful at every point.
Exactly.

Who was the one who stalled Cell for a good duration?

Tien.

What did Krillin do against Cell?

A failed Destructo Disk.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:15 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote: Exactly.

Who was the one who stalled Cell for a good duration?

Tien.

What did Krillin do against Cell?

A failed Destructo Disk.
Cell was at a completely different level of power when Kuririn threw the Kienzan.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Danfun64 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:18 pm

TBF, the Destructo Disk scene was filler. Even if it did succeed at cutting Cell, I doubt it would have killed him. He would have either combined the two pieces, regenerate his lower half, or floated away like Freeza did.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:21 pm

Ha, I always like Ten more than Krillin. He is a great contrast to Goku because he is just so serious all the way through the whole series. While Piccolo and Vegeta are fairly serious, they become parodies of themselves during the Buu arc. Ten doesn't play around and toy with people like Vegeta and Piccolo, he's all business and I think that contrast is a great, underutilized characteristic. We have plenty of other characters like Krillin that are funny and more easy-going and I don't think we need more of that. Tenshinhan is cool.

Krillin couldn't even touch Cell in his 2nd form.

*i think that the 23rd budokai tenkaichi/saiyans saga character design was the best
I'd throw the 22nd in there as well, especially the anime which the anime basically was ahead of Toriyama in design choices; we later saw these styles in the manga in the 23rd arc but was apparent in the anime version of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:10 am

While his acting was better in Kai, I still prefer the voice Eric Vale used for Trunks in Z.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:39 am

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:27 am

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I get what you're saying, but please don't equate such a horrific thing as cancer to something as harmless as a subject in a kid's comic series.
It's a joke. I lost my great uncle to cancer not to long ago, I still laughed at it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Adrian Malacoda » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:43 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:I prefer dub names.
I actually like the vast majority of filler.
I prefer Sean Schemmel to Masako Nozawa.
I agree with all of these. Can't say for sure on Kai because I haven't watched it for a long time.
Same here. Only exception is the Freeza Saga filler (fake Namek, Bulma and the Crab)
I actually like Fake Namek.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:46 pm

I enjoyed the filler with Ginyu stealing Bulma's body. That was hilarious.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by nickzambuto » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:05 pm

I don't notice bad art when it's only a few frames long. In the case of Super, I didn't even notice anything wrong during the dreaded episode five. Only when it's like the beginning of Goku's Namek fight with Freeza, where even the designs of characters and the background look ugly as shit thus making every single frame of animation look ugly do I notice bad art. But for me, it seems that if the general designs are good, I do not notice a few frames when they're in motion.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by VDenter » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:33 pm

Not sure how alone i am on this one but i will drop this here.

While its kind of premature to judge but so far...

The Black/Zamasu arc in Dragonball Super is better than the Cell/Android arc.

It feels like the Android arc we could have gotten in DB if Toriyama was not forced to change it halfway through. At least something similar to it.

It does not have plot holes that plagued the Cell arc. Heck most of the bad stuff in the Black/Zamasu arc is a consequence of it having to follow two terrible retellings of the movies arcs witch were not good by any stretch, as well as a just okay tournament arc witch felt kind of sloppy. Also the at times sub par animation that shifts wildly in quality depending on the episode.

However the last time i felt this invested and interested to see what would happen next was during the Freeza arc.

Even the slow pacing that people complain about will probably be a non issue once the arc is done since you can just watch all the episodes back to back.
Even if this Arc had perfect pacing people would still find it slow since one episode of DBS is released per week. This arc having some mysteries and leaving questions unanswered is probably something that most fans are not used to.

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