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by ABED » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:39 pm
VDenter wrote:It feels like the Android arc we could have gotten in DB if Toriyama was not forced to change it halfway through. At least something similar to it.
It does not have plot holes that plagued the Cell arc.
What was changed in the Cell arc? His choice of villain? Thank God they made him change it from 19 and 20 and thankfully they didn't let him stay with the second form.
What plot holes besides the ones that come from time travel stories are you referring to? If it's just because of time travel, that's always going to create plot holes.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:39 pm
Peter Kelamis was and is the absolute best English Goku in my book. To me, his performances in the three movies is even better than Schemmel's current works.
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by Anime Kitten » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:43 pm
I'm annoyed by how Capsule Corp has developed into the Acme of Dragon Ball.
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by ABED » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:45 pm
Bansho64 wrote:Peter Kelamis was and is the absolute best English Goku in my book. To me, his performances in the three movies is even better than Schemmel's current works.
His performances are TERRIBLE. His cadence and delivery is so unnatural. It feels like he's trying to act goofy. Even Schemmel's season 3 work was preferable. That's a very unpopular opinion, but one I stand by because I disliked when he took over in 97 and my opinion hasn't changed even nearly 20 years later.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:48 pm
ABED wrote:
His performances are TERRIBLE. His cadence and delivery is so unnatural. It feels like he's trying to act goofy. Even Schemmel's season 3 work was preferable.
Nah, I disagree. His voice is like music to my ears. He pretty much nails every aspect I like in an English Goku and those screams are simply legendary. It honestly doesn't really get better than him for me. Maybe a little more sound effects could be placed on his voice for more echo like in the Japanese original, but that's more for the studio, and they already had enough fantastic SFX as it was.
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by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:51 pm
Bansho64 wrote:ABED wrote:
His performances are TERRIBLE. His cadence and delivery is so unnatural. It feels like he's trying to act goofy. Even Schemmel's season 3 work was preferable.
Nah, I disagree. His voice is like music to my ears. He pretty much nails every aspect I like in an English Goku and those screams are simply legendary. It honestly doesn't really get better than him for me. Maybe a little more sound effects could be placed on his voice for more echo like in the Japanese original, but that's more for the studio, and they already had enough fantastic SFX as it was.
Schemmel is the best Goku for me.
Who voices Turles in the AB Groupe dub? I like that guy.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:53 pm
Sailor Haumea wrote:
Schemmel is the best Goku for me.
He's great but still has his "eh" moments for me.
Who voices Turles in the AB Groupe dub? I like that guy.
The Big Green Dub? I don't know.
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by Anime Kitten » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:53 pm
Mr. Schemmel's delivery during Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation is better than Ms. Nozawa's. I like them both, but I'm really fond of the dub's version in which you can hear a lot more strain that Goku's going through. It adds more impact to the scene.
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by ABED » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:57 pm
I like in an English Goku and those screams are simply legendary.
They're good, but that doesn't make him a good actor or good in the role. He has some of the worst line readings that are so unnatural and goofy that we can objectively qualify as terrible acting. If you like it, fine, but it's bad acting. He has so many line readings that don't sound remotely natural. One such moment is that scene where Goku finds the beer in the spaceship's fridge.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:58 pm
ABED wrote:He has some of the worst line readings that are so unnatural and goofy that we can objectively qualify as terrible acting. If you like it, fine, but it's bad acting. He has so many line readings that don't sound remotely natural.
Nah, I don't see it. There really ain't anything I'd class as objectively bad.
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by ABED » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:59 pm
Bansho64 wrote:ABED wrote:He has some of the worst line readings that are so unnatural and goofy that we can objectively qualify as terrible acting. If you like it, fine, but it's bad acting. He has so many line readings that don't sound remotely natural.
Nah, I don't see it. There really ain't anything I'd class as objectively bad.
"It's much better for me and tastes great!" That line reading isn't objectively goofy sounding? Listen to the ups and downs of the delivery and honestly tell me that's a natural cadence.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:03 pm
ABED wrote:
"It's much better for me and tastes great!" That line reading isn't objectively goofy sounding? Listen to the ups and downs of the delivery and honestly tell me that's a natural cadence.
It's a little goofy but it sounds fine to me. His stuff in the TV series is a little bad but those movie performances sounded amazing to me.
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by ABED » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:12 pm
A little goofy is an understatement. The movie performances were better, but that's as much as I can give him.
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by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:14 pm
ABED wrote:A little goofy is an understatement. The movie performances were better, but that's as much as I can give him.
To each his own, I guess.
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by Soppa Saia People » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:27 pm
ABED wrote:A little goofy is an understatement. The movie performances were better, but that's as much as I can give him.
Why do you care so much about what people like ? It doesn't matter, lol.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:45 pm
Soppa Saia People wrote:ABED wrote:A little goofy is an understatement. The movie performances were better, but that's as much as I can give him.
Why do you care so much about what people like ? It doesn't matter, lol.
In case you didn't notice, it's a discussion about unpopular opinions. We discuss and challenge them for the sake of the conversation. No one is deeply invested in what everyone else's preference is, that's just the nature of the thread.
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by Soppa Saia People » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:02 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Soppa Saia People wrote:ABED wrote:A little goofy is an understatement. The movie performances were better, but that's as much as I can give him.
Why do you care so much about what people like ? It doesn't matter, lol.
In case you didn't notice, it's a discussion about unpopular opinions. We discuss and challenge them for the sake of the conversation. No one is deeply invested in what everyone else's preference is, that's just the nature of the thread.
It's such a silly thing to do. "Oh you like this performance ? Nope, you're wrong, his performance sucks. ? I mean, really ? Also, it's a forum about Dragon Ball, not a deep discussion of the mind.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:08 am
Soppa Saia People wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Soppa Saia People wrote:
Why do you care so much about what people like ? It doesn't matter, lol.
In case you didn't notice, it's a discussion about unpopular opinions. We discuss and challenge them for the sake of the conversation. No one is deeply invested in what everyone else's preference is, that's just the nature of the thread.
It's such a silly thing to do. "Oh you like this performance ? Nope, you're wrong, his performance sucks. ? I mean, really ? Also, it's a forum about Dragon Ball, not a deep discussion of the mind.
You make it sound like no one is talking about
why. Even if that's the case, why even bother commenting when you're not adding to the conversation? You're doing the opposite, even, you're trying to shut it down.
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by Cipher » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:07 am
Freeza did nothing wrong.