Unpopular DB opinions

[maroyasha]

That's not unpopular. MANY love Yamcha. What would be unpopular is that you are happy with the way things are with him in canon lol.

But I am happy with him. I like his comic relief stuff...

[Cipher]

You can like her, but she had no personality. It's the same as the Gohan problem. Just because they have a family doesn't mean that they shouldn't have any pronounced character traits. Quite the opposite, even.

F'real.

I have no problem with Gohan and Videl settling down, but it's incredibly disappointing that outside of very occasional Great Saiyaman antics for Gohan alone, we only ever see them engaging in the most boring, generic domestic activities. Videl in particular has no distinct characterization outside of being a wife and mother now. That's not an exaggeration. I defy anyone to point me toward an episode of Super that indicates an identifiable personality except for one reference to her (former?) interest in the martial arts.

[Cure Dragon 255]

That's not unpopular. MANY love Yamcha. What would be unpopular is that you are happy with the way things are with him in canon lol.

But I am happy with him. I like his comic relief stuff...

Oh, then you really do have an unpopular opinion. And that's AWESOME! I agree too!

[Nejishiki]

Hey, I'm a victim here, too. Her street fighting persona is great and lacks reference. I was leaning towards her constantly pouting being exaggeration. That feels like what most want. It was also the part of herself with the most spotlight, early in the Boo arc. The choice to always show her in relaxed settings, while not as engaging, contains some internal sense, which is what I'm going for. It didn't come out of the Blue. I understand not wanting to see that, but we can't have her flipping the bird at Pan for giving Piccolo a hard time. (Or can we? I'll entertain it.) The Dragon Ball Z movies handled her layers well, without leaning hard on one aspect of herself nor forcing a major trait to be significant.

[Cipher]

Hey, I'm a victim here, too. Her street fighting persona is great and lacks reference. I was leaning towards her constantly pouting being exaggeration. That feels like what most want. It was also the part of herself with the most spotlight, early in the Boo arc. The choice to always show her in relaxed settings, while not as engaging, contains some internal sense, which is what I'm going for. It didn't come out of the Blue. I understand not wanting to see that, but we can't have her flipping the bird at Pan for giving Piccolo a hard time. (Or can we? I'll entertain it.) The Dragon Ball Z movies handled her layers well, without leaning hard on one aspect of herself nor forcing a major trait to be significant.

Which movies? The old ones, or Battle of Gods? In any case, I agree.

We haven't gotten anything in Super that isn't her cooking or looking after Gohan and Pan though. She doesn't even get to stand up to Chi-Chi or Mr. Satan in that pre-Freeza arc episode. For an example of a married female character who's managed to maintain a distinct personality in all sorts of non-fighting scenarios, look at Bulma. There are so many shades between flipping the bird at her daughter and being a piece of cardboard. She's not even a character now.

In my ideal version of the series, popping in to visit Gohan, Videl and their super-powered baby would be the most amusing thing in the world. But even if it can't be that, what we have now is too extreme in the other direction. I'll go as far as to say it's the worst a female character in the franchise has ever been treated. Like, not even arguably. (Unless that argument is Lan-Fan, who's a gag character and manages to be moderately amusing.)

[Sailor Haumea]

Toriyama inevitably ends up making female characters useless. At times, he forgets about them entirely.

Remember the last time Chi-Chi did anything relevant? It was when she tried protecting Gohan from Garlic Jr.'s minions.

Remember when Launch was useful? That's right, she popped up for that party that Avo and Cado popped up at. That's it. She did some stuff during the Saiyan Saga, but that's about it. Toriyama outright stated he forgot about her.

Android 18 went from badass to housewife.

Why was the plotline of Tien and Launch hooking up never explored further?

[Nejishiki]

Which movies? The old ones, or Battle of Gods? In any case, I agree.

We haven't gotten anything in Super that isn't her cooking or looking after Gohan and Pan though. She doesn't even get to stand up to Chi-Chi or Mr. Satan in that pre-Freeza arc episode. For an example of a married female character who's managed to maintain a distinct personality in all sorts of non-fighting scenarios, look at Bulma. There are so many shades between flipping the bird at her daughter and being a piece of cardboard. She's not even a character now.

In my ideal version of the series, popping in to visit Gohan, Videl and their super-powered baby would be the most amusing thing in the world. But even if it can't be that, what we have now is too extreme in the other direction. I'll go as far as to say it's the worst a female character in the franchise has ever been treated. Like, not even arguably. (Unless that argument is Lan-Fan, who's a gag character and manages to be moderately amusing.)

I speak for all of them except DBZ Movie 10. I don't like it much and any details about it are lost, so I rather not play the unreliable narrator. I'll admit to being a tad unfair with one of your examples, as I default to the film adaptions when speaking of those stories. I didn't account for that and based on my recollection, I'll trust it was equally without purpose to bother showing her. Anyway, she's still a woman with Spice, don't tell Gohan that, when handled outside of Dragon Ball Super. Even her appearance in the Jump Super Anniversary Tour episode kept the scale balanced. I think the problem is that extremities for both sides can exist, as there's a base to properly support either. Actually, with you bringing up Bluma, it's likely the writers chose the route to distinguish Videl away from Chi-Chi and Bluma using a part of the tough gal quirk. Naturally, it's not a decision I agree with, but I think you helped crack the case for why they shelved that piece of Videl's soul that isn't supporting Dragon Ball's ending. It doesn't vibe well with the in-universe fact that every martial artist is with their woman because of their continued assertiveness. It's a theory you started in my head, at least.

For the other post, there's a difference between perceived disrespect and the author simply not having stories for them. No. 18 is still cool. Chi-Chi wanted to be a stereotypical mother and likely learned martial arts from a little bit of Column A (her father is a fighter) and a little bit of Column B (To get Goku's attention for "leaving" her). Lunch is still a criminal. Tenshinhan tolerates her, but he'll never be interested in romance. That's not a flaw of the story, that's a natural character piece. You may be disappointed that love never bloomed, but we aren't owed that merely because Lunch's affection was unrequited. The man can make his own decisions and he said no to love, but yes to field work. (Her being forgotten is overblown, too.) I feel confident that Toriyama isn't spiting anyone with how he handles characters, male or female. He's simply the type of person who gets bored and moves on.

[ekrolo2]

Goku's transformations into a Golden Oozaru then into an SS4 are the best in the franchise

[Lord Beerus]

Goku's transformations into a Golden Oozaru then into an SS4 are the best in the franchise

I wouldn't go that far. But it's certainly among the best.

[Anime Kitten]

Goku's transformations into a Golden Oozaru then into an SS4 are the best in the franchise

That's not unpopular... like, at all.

Blue Launch is better than Blonde Launch. Well, according to my preferences.

[Nejishiki]

Blue Launch is better than Blonde Launch. Well, according to my preferences.

She's violent, greedy, and a little jealous. She intentionally breaks the law and may have trouble sneezing back to normal at will. But if you can't handle her Super Saiyan, then you sure as hell don't deserve her Super Saiyan Blue.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I'm starting to think its best that Launch left when she did. Now she cant be demoted to housewife lol.

[Cipher]

I speak for all of them except DBZ Movie 10. I don't like it much and any details about it are lost, so I rather not play the unreliable narrator. I'll admit to being a tad unfair with one of your examples, as I default to the film adaptions when speaking of those stories. I didn't account for that and based on my recollection, I'll trust it was equally without purpose to bother showing her. Anyway, she's still a woman with Spice, don't tell Gohan that, when handled outside of Dragon Ball Super. Even her appearance in the Jump Super Anniversary Tour episode kept the scale balanced.

For the record, my issue with Super's Videl is restricted to Super alone. I had zero problem with her in Battle of Gods or the 2008 JUMP special, small as her roles in each were.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The animation in Fukkatsu no F movie was utter garbage. Stiff movements, lifeless characters, repetitive fight choreography with no interesting camera angles, horrible use of CGI and bad bad REALLY bad direction from Yamamuro Tadayoshi.

Is this unpopular? I'm not sure.

- Travis

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The animation in Fukkatsu no F movie was utter garbage. Stiff movements, lifeless characters, repetitive fight choreography with no interesting camera angles, horrible use of CGI and bad bad REALLY bad direction from Yamamuro Tadayoshi.

Is this unpopular? I'm not sure.

- Travis

I guess there are only so many times I can say to blame Yamamuro, but... blame Yamamuro.

[HybridSaiyan]

The animation in Fukkatsu no F movie was utter garbage. Stiff movements, lifeless characters, repetitive fight choreography with no interesting camera angles, horrible use of CGI and bad bad REALLY bad direction from Yamamuro Tadayoshi.

Is this unpopular? I'm not sure.

- Travis

Gosh, if the movie version sucked as bad as that, then Supers fight scenes must be the most garbage, terrible, stiff and unrealistic piece of shit ever created in anime lmao.

[Cipher]

The animation in Fukkatsu no F movie was utter garbage. Stiff movements, lifeless characters, repetitive fight choreography with no interesting camera angles, horrible use of CGI and bad bad REALLY bad direction from Yamamuro Tadayoshi.

Is this unpopular? I'm not sure.

I think "F" is fun enough, but an "F" under anyone but Yamamuro was likely to have been even more fun.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Gosh, if the movie version sucked as bad as that, then Supers fight scenes must be the most garbage, terrible, stiff and unrealistic piece of shit ever created in anime lmao.

Son Gokuu v Freeza in #26 of Super animated mostly by Tate Naoki was better than the movie fight. Movies don't have superior animation to the TV version always. Naruto is a great example of it, some of its eps put the movies to shame.

- Travis

[8000 Saiyan]

Don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I find Majin Buu to be completely intolerable in English.

[Bansho64]

Don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I find Majin Buu to be completely intolerable in English.

Same. I really do hate that voice.