Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

Re: Boo vs. Freeza vs. Gotenks.

Considering what I've read from the current discussion, I honestly don't think Kuririn implied something other than Boo being capable of handling whatever state of Freeza he was sensing. If he said it would be alright, then it would be alright.

Gotenks is a complicated matter, because not only he is known to brag about his power without solid back up, but aparently none was safe to trust in him to defeat Freeza, then Bulma tries to stop him with none supporting her or Gotenks. I don't know.

Nope, because Piccolo is the strategist of Universe 7, so overwhelming power is apparently irrelevant.

The gap between Piccolo and Frost [In the actual fight] isn't ridiculously big as Piccolo was able to put up a good fight,especially in the manga where i vastly prefer powerscaling-wise.If he didn't get a powerup,I really don't see Piccolo being able to do something against a guy over 10x stronger than him,dude was hopeless even against Nappa and 3rd Form Freeza.

Hit is able to put a good fight against someone who' literally over 10 times stronger than him. Why Piccolo can't do that? If the conditions are in his favor he should be able to pull something similar.

Hit wasn't going all out in his fight against goku.

[buutenks]

What are you two arguing about exactly ?

Lol, I'm thinking the same thing, whats with all this math. Its giving me headaches lol.

As for hit surviving vs kkx10 goku, well ep 40 going to come out soon, so we will see if hit survived vs kkx10 goku due to plot reasons, or that he simply hid a huge chunk of his power away as to not kill goku and vegeta.

[kinisking]

Re: Boo vs. Freeza vs. Gotenks.

Considering what I've read from the current discussion, I honestly don't think Kuririn implied something other than Boo being capable of handling whatever state of Freeza he was sensing. If he said it would be alright, then it would be alright.

Gotenks is a complicated matter, because not only he is known to brag about his power without solid back up, but aparently none was safe to trust in him to defeat Freeza, then Bulma tries to stop him with none supporting her or Gotenks. I don't know.

Nope, because Piccolo is the strategist of Universe 7, so overwhelming power is apparently irrelevant.

The gap between Piccolo and Frost [In the actual fight] isn't ridiculously big as Piccolo was able to put up a good fight,especially in the manga where i vastly prefer powerscaling-wise.If he didn't get a powerup,I really don't see Piccolo being able to do something against a guy over 10x stronger than him,dude was hopeless even against Nappa and 3rd Form Freeza.

Hit is able to put a good fight against someone who' literally over 10 times stronger than him. Why Piccolo can't do that? If the conditions are in his favor he should be able to pull something similar.

Hit constantly improves though.

[apex_pretador]

The energy source in ALL the stars is the same thing - mass energy. It is "created" from mass being destroyed, not "required".

NOTE: Get a proper research before sighing

I don't need to do research on a topic I know. But you need. As you also need better comprehension skills to grasp what really someone says. And the sigh is for your ignorance. But I will not bother teaching ignorant people advanced physics on a cartoon forum though.

I don't think I need research on a topic which I've literally studied as a course for one semester.
I don't see any ignorance either. I got your point already, and was about to point out something related to that, but seems like you go on more like "ignorant people" etc. Ok fine.

It'd be better if you not teach me physics, because I don't want to learn how an amount of energy already created needs equal amount of energy to be converted into another form of energy.

What are you two arguing about exactly ?

speedster said how 10^41 J of energy is REQUIRED to convert earth into light energy.
I corrected him that it is not true, because this is the amount of energy that will be RELEASED if the mass of earth is converted to energy.

Nope, because Piccolo is the strategist of Universe 7, so overwhelming power is apparently irrelevant.

The gap between Piccolo and Frost [In the actual fight] isn't ridiculously big as Piccolo was able to put up a good fight,especially in the manga where i vastly prefer powerscaling-wise.If he didn't get a powerup,I really don't see Piccolo being able to do something against a guy over 10x stronger than him,dude was hopeless even against Nappa and 3rd Form Freeza.

Hit is able to put a good fight against someone who' literally over 10 times stronger than him. Why Piccolo can't do that? If the conditions are in his favor he should be able to pull something similar.

What about a "speed up"? Piccolo still uses weighted clothing, so his speed must improve at a higher rate than his power. Maybe piccolo is fast enough to match frost? I don't think the gap is 10x either - more like 5x or so, and in the tournament rules, it is not always the same "power-level" thing.

It is also likely that frost wasn't 100% serious in the fight, because he could've ended the fight anytime with poison.

[Speedster]

I don't think I need research on a topic which I've literally studied as a course for one semester.
I don't see any ignorance either. It'd be better if you not teach me physics, because I don't want to learn how an amount of energy already created needs equal amount of energy to be converted into another form of energy.

And you still are a long way from graduating physics or fully understanding what you have already learned. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though as you don't seem to have studied this subject in English hence your complete misinterpretation of what I say.

[apex_pretador]

I don't think I need research on a topic which I've literally studied as a course for one semester.
I don't see any ignorance either. It'd be better if you not teach me physics, because I don't want to learn how an amount of energy already created needs equal amount of energy to be converted into another form of energy.

And you still are a long way from graduating physics or fully understanding what you have already learned. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though as you don't seem to have studied this subject in English hence your complete misinterpretation of what I say.

i've studied it in english

[buutenks]

Got to love when people bring DB and math together. They r best buddies ^^

[Hugo Boss]

Hit wasn't going all out in his fight against goku.

Hit constantly improves though.

Very well, but so far Hit doesn't become more powerful in these situations. He only improves his tokitobashi and has hidden his desire to kill. Without these abilities he is weaker than Super Saiyan Blue.

[Sora Saiyan]

Hit wasn't going all out in his fight against goku.

Hit constantly improves though.

Very well, but so far Hit doesn't become more powerful in these situations. He only improves his tokitobashi and has hidden his desire to kill. Without these abilities he is weaker than Super Saiyan Blue.

Hit began punching harder after his "growth" as noted by Goku.

[pacz360]

Hit wasn't going all out in his fight against goku.

Hit constantly improves though.

Very well, but so far Hit doesn't become more powerful in these situations. He only improves his tokitobashi and has hidden his desire to kill. Without these abilities he is weaker than Super Saiyan Blue.

Going by the preview he looks fine nothing suggest he weaker considering he stomp vegeta.

[Hugo Boss]

Hit began punching harder after his "growth" as noted by Goku.

Going by the preview he looks fine nothing suggest he weaker considering he stomp vegeta.

No, Hit punches harder in his fight with Vegeta. Against Goku, he just upgraded tokitobashi to 0.2 second and then to 0.5 second, making Goku defenseless. He could only stomp Vegeta previously because Vegeta doesn't know how to counter tokitobashi. You can see that once Hit reaches tokitobashi's limit he can barely keep up with SSB Goku, who's equal to SSB Vegeta.

[Chiki]

Goku and Hit's ki made Champa shit his pants lol.

At this point it's obvious that KK Goku >>>> Beerus/Champa.

[Bullza]

So was Hit stronger than SSJB Goku Kaiokenx10 in the end or not?

Maybe he'd edge out a win from not being torn apart by the Kaioken in the long run.

Champa is definitely stronger than Hit if even after seeing how powerful he is he's content with killing him anyway. Hit did look a bit nervous there for a moment. There was that instance where Goku and Hit glanced at Champa and he paniced briefly. Perhaps he's stronger than one of them but not the both?

And it appears like this Zeno guy is much more powerful than Beerus or Champa going by their reactions.

Is Zeno the new most powerful character in the franchise?

[Chiki]

So was Hit stronger than SSJB Goku Kaiokenx10 in the end or not?

Maybe he'd edge out a win from not being torn apart by the Kaioken in the long run.

Champa is definitely stronger than Hit if even after seeing how powerful he is he's content with killing him anyway. Hit did look a bit nervous there for a moment. There was that instance where Goku and Hit glanced at Champa and he paniced briefly. Perhaps he's stronger than one of them but not the both?

And it appears like this Zeno guy is much more powerful than Beerus or Champa going by their reactions.

Is Zeno the new most powerful character in the franchise?

Bolded part: that's what he does, he edges out a win by using his again improved Tokitobashi to evade Goku's Kamehameha.

Champa was just pissed and not acting rationally. Hit was willing to take Champa on.

Not confirmed. Zeno's attendants may be the powerful ones.

[Lord Beerus]

Champa was just pissed and not acting rationally. Hit was willing to take Champa on.

I don't know about that. Champa was charging his ki blast for what seemed like an eternity and Hit was just standing there seemingly shitting himself. Hit certainly didn't seem like he was going to try to stop Champa from killing him and the rest of the team.

[Birusu16]

Please...

It was made abundantly clear that Champa was going to destroy Hit and even Hit knew that based on his own expression. He doesn't even come close to Beerus or Champa and neither does Goku for that matter. As they said in this episode, they're both just pawns in Beerus and Champa's game.

[Chiki]

Please...

It was made abundantly clear that Champa was going to destroy Hit and even Hit knew that based on his own expression. He doesn't even come close to Beerus or Champa and neither does Goku for that matter. As they said in this episode, they're both just pawns in Beerus and Champa's game.

Explain why Beerus was nervous about the Kaioken x2 SSB Goku and why Champa shit his pants when Goku and Hit glanced at him.

[Bullza]

And Beerus told Goku that it was Champa's universe and his rules which implies that if he wanted to kill them all right there on the spot then there's really nothing they could so about it. It certainly looked that way.

Not confirmed. Zeno's attendants may be the powerful ones.

I suppose that's possible. Mr Popo and Kabito were attendants and they were weaker but then Nail (was he an attendant?) and Whis were stronger. There were two of them though so if they're just somewhat generic non character bodyguards then maybe they're not as strong.

[Lord Beerus]

From Herms on Twitter:

Beerus tells Goku not to interfere with Champa killing his fighters. His universe, his rules.

Well, there you have it. It doesn't really come any clearer than that. Beerus >= Champa >>> Hit >> SSJB-KKx10 Goku

[TheMikado]

I stopped coming here... If not worth the frustration. Just wanted to see if any has any idea as to where the characters are powerswise in relation to gods.