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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:17 pm

How much do you think he dropped is guard by? Clearly it's not that huge of a gap, otherwise the punch would've just been like base Goku and Dr. Gero.

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Captain Cadaver wrote:During the last arc, she was capable of causing a lot of trouble to someone Base Goku struggled with (which is even more significant when remembering that S17 Arc SSJ Goku >/~ SS2 Vegeta > Super Oob). She was also fast enough that she easily dodged attacks from Qi Xing Long and even mocked him, which is impressive when remembering that Qi was on a level where he could take hits from SS4 Goku (and apart from extremely dire cases, power and speed often go hand in hand to some extent).

She was still far weaker than Base Si Xing Long and Base Goku when he fought that dragon, plus she got pushed to the sidelines during the final battle. During the battle against Liu Xing Long, she should probably be in the same ballpark as Base Vegeta Baby or Super Vegetto via powerscaling. After that, it's kind've awry, though we at least know she got stronger/faster.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:52 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:How much do you think he dropped is guard by? Clearly it's not that huge of a gap, otherwise the punch would've just been like base Goku and Dr. Gero.
When Pan attacked him, he smiled and let her hit him in the face, but when she punched him, he looked surprised. So, he dropped his guard more than he should have.
During the last arc, she was capable of causing a lot of trouble to someone Base Goku struggled with
What trouble? Against whom?
She was also fast enough that she easily dodged attacks from Qi Xing Long and even mocked him, which is impressive when remembering that Qi was on a level where he could take hits from SS4 Goku
Goku was obviously playing around with Qi Xing Long, since he was mocking him and he was smiling when he attacked him. Plus, it was his technique that was flawed (which is why Pan mocked him), not Pan that was stronger than him, since being on the air made it harder for him to hit his enemies. Pan was throwing him a barrage of ki blasts when he was moving underground, yet he just ignored her and kept moving forward without a scratch.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:23 pm

Any durability feats in GT are undercut by the fact that SSJ4 Goku was cut by glass.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Skar » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:49 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Any durability feats in GT are undercut by the fact that SSJ4 Goku was cut by glass.
That was no ordinary glass my friend! After they were introduced to Katchin during the Buu saga, Capsule Corp decided to use it to manufacture nearly indestructible glass! Either that or Goku got weaker with SSJ4?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:17 pm

Given these two ball park figures (separate scenarios), where would you place the other person in relation to them?

If...

Goku (Buu arc): 10
Goten (post RoSaT): ?

Gogeta: 10
Gotenks (post-RoSaT): ?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:20 pm

Currently Goten/Gotenks would be a... 4? I guess. It's been a long time since I've compared the kids to the adults and I think my gap between Boo arc Goku and Gohan might've been too big, so it might be something like a 5 after I re-evaluate.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by BejitaSama » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:55 pm

Hi,

France has published the 34th and last book of the Perfect Edition, with the "perfect translation". I read the hole Buu saga in that awesome edition, and it gave me the will to think again about power scaling, which is not clear in this saga. The best way to estimate them is, IMO, to be concentrated on Buu's forms and mechanism. With that, I think there are three possibilities that gave us pretty easilly a range for all "first" characters :

1) You think that only Dai Kaioshin weakened Pure Buu, and also that the monster absorbed South Dai Kaioshin because he was stronger than him :

- Pure Majin Buu : 40,000,000,000 (because he's the beginning on what all my operations will be focused, I gave him an arbitrary power of 40,000,000,000).
- South Kaioshin : 50,000,000,000

- Buu + South Kaioshin absorbed : 90,000,000,000

We know that this form of Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

- Super Buu : 70,000,000,000

- Majin Buu : 30,000,000,000 (Inferior to Pure Majin Buu)

- Pure Evil Buu :
18,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
45,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

- Innocent Majin Buu :
12,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
25,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

WIth that, we can also estimate power of heroes :

- Goku SSJ3 : 40,000,000,000
- Gohan : 100,000,000,000
- Gotenks SSJ3 : 75,000,000,000

So we can assume that :

Gohan is at best 2.5 stronger than Goku.
Super Buu is at best 1.8 stronger than Pure Majin Buu and Goku.
Gotenks is at best aroung 2 times stronger than Goku.

2) You think that only Dai Kaioshin weakened Pure Buu, but that the monster absorbed South Dai Kaioshin because he was putting a goood fight :

- Pure Majin Buu : 40,000,000,000
- South Kaioshin : 30,000,000,000

- Buu + South Kaioshin absorbed : 70,000,000,000

We know that this form of Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

- Super Buu : 55,000,000,000

- Majin Buu : 30,000,000,000

- Pure Evil Buu :
18,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
35,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

- Innocent Majin Buu :
12,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
20,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

WIth that, we can also estimate power of heroes :

- Goku SSJ3 : 40,000,000,000
- Gohan : 80,000,000,000
- Gotenks SSJ3 : 60,000,000,000

So we can assume that :

Gohan is at best 2 times stronger than Goku.
Super Buu is at best 1.4 stronger than Pure Majin Buu and Goku.
Gotenks is at best aroung 1.5 times stronger than Goku.

3) You think that all Kaioshin weakened Pure Buu :

- Pure Majin Buu : 40,000,000,000

- Buu + South Kaioshin absorbed : 35,000,000,000

We know that this form of Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

- Super Buu : 30,000,000,000

- Majin Buu : 20,000,000,000

- Pure Evil Buu :
12,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
18,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

- Innocent Majin Buu :
8,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Majin Buu.
12,000,000,000 if you think that his power is the majority of Super Buu.

WIth that, we can also estimate power of heroes :

- Goku SSJ3 : 40,000,000,000
- Gohan : 50,000,000,000
- Gotenks SSJ3 : 35,000,000,000

So we can assume that :


[/list]Gohan is at best 1.3 times stronger than Goku.
Goku is at best 1.4 stronger than Super Buu.
Gotenks is around Goku's level.

My aim was to gather all "big" point of views on this debating saga and to delimate the range of power difference between characters. Hope you'll find it interesting ! :)

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:03 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Given these two ball park figures (separate scenarios), where would you place the other person in relation to them?
If...
Goku (Buu arc): 10
Goten (post RoSaT): ?
Gogeta: 10
Gotenks (post-RoSaT): ?
Let's see... Goten would be about a 5 to Goku's 10, and Gotenks would be a 1 to Gogeta's 10.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:34 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Given these two ball park figures (separate scenarios), where would you place the other person in relation to them?

If...

Goku (Buu arc): 10
Goten (post RoSaT): ?

Gogeta: 10
Gotenks (post-RoSaT): ?
  • Goten: 0.08
  • Gotenks: 1.25

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:18 am

I wonder how strong Sorbet and Tagoma from the new movie are - as strong as the Ginyu Force?
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:05 pm

Another question;

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SSJ 3 Goku: 10

Ultimate Gohan: ?

Buuhan: ?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:26 pm

SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 40-50
Evil Boo (Gohan-Absorbed): 90-100
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:35 pm

SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 20
Evil Boo (Gohan): 35
Super Vegetto: 100

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Post by GogesusSSG » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:58 pm

SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 120
Buuhan: 200

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:55 pm

Kaboom wrote:SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 40-50
Evil Boo (Gohan-Absorbed): 90-100
Evil Boo is as strong as Gohan?
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:12 pm

Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 40-50
Evil Boo (Gohan-Absorbed): 90-100
Evil Boo is as strong as Gohan?
I guess I was in a rush there and flubbed it up. Let's adjust that to 70-80 for Gohan-Boo.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:49 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:SS3 Goku: 10
Ultimate Gohan: 40-50
Evil Boo (Gohan-Absorbed): 90-100
Evil Boo is as strong as Gohan?
I guess I was in a rush there and flubbed it up. Let's adjust that to 70-80 for Gohan-Boo.
I saw the other day, but you also have Gohan at 120 Billion on your proper power levels (equal to SS3 Gotenks) but Boohan is 30 billion stronger than Bootenks. Was Gohan meant to be 150?

Also, on topic:

Goku - 10
Gohan - 30
Gohan-Boo - ~50-55
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:56 pm

I have:

Goku (SSJ 3): 1
Gohan: 61.5
Gohan-Buu: 100

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Skar » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:14 pm

There was this discussion going a few pages ago with xmysticgohanx. He didn't reply so I don't know if he agreed or still thought that somehow strength wasn't linear? It went on for a few pages so I just wanted to know there was a conclusion or if he didn't see my last comment.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:02 am

I just felt like the debate was going nowhere and I've been busy with school (senior year) and sports which is why I'm only replying right now. I've looked at other stuff on this website but nothing for more than 5 minutes.

Anyway, the only reason to believe Gohan was SSJ vs Dabura is the lack of sparks but in BoG SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta didn't have sparks.

I've been interested with where the humans rank recently and was wondering if there's anything to suggest they could beat the first 3 forms of Freeza? Tien's tri beam was hurting Cell but was he caught off guard at first? Also, what's the proof for Krillin > Tien again?
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