A bald Saiyan from Akira Toriyama's Neko Majin Z spin-off/parody series.Sun Wukong wrote:Who's Onio?
Toyotaro's Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission.Sun Wukong wrote:Were is that image from?
In Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock, a 3-part manga that was later adapted into an anime special, Bardock is sent back in time by Planet Vegeta's explosion (instead of killing him), he becomes a Super Saiyan, and possibly the Super Saiyan that begun the legend, and killed Chilled, Freeza's ancestor. Dragon Ball Heroes gave him Super Saiyan 2 as well. In Dragon Ball Online, Bardock was saved by Mira right before Planet Vegeta's explosion, brainwashed him through a mask, but the mask broke in a battle & he rebelled against Mira. Dragon Ball Heroes gave this version of Bardock Super Saiyan 3.Sun Wukong wrote:When did these happen? Are these all in DBO? If not source(s) please?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
- Bardock's survival: His death in the TV Special was perfect, and there was no reason to make him go back in time & make him a Super Saiyan, or give him SS2 & SS3, or to have Mira save him and keep him alive in the future.
- Broli's power: I like Broli, and I liked seeing him in hypothetical SS2, SS3, Golden Oozaru, and SS4, but there was no reason for the video games to treat him as the strongest villain in his LSS form.
- Golden Oozaru Broli & Gogeta: I'm OK with them getting this form, but why the fuck didn't their clothes get destroyed after their transformation?!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I agree with all of this. lol. On the bright/optimistic side, Super is redoing the story, so maaaaayyyyybe they'll take a different (better) approach.VintageSaiyan wrote:
I was totally stoked for Revival of F, being that Freeza was the pinnacle of evil in original series and still Goku's defining nemesis. Just think about when he came back to Earth the first time - everyone was shitting themselves. The idea of him even stepping foot on earth is horrifying. The relationship between Freeza and Vegeta and all the bad blood between them was open to explore. We even had a chance at King Cold coming back to show us what he can do and also explore Freeza's family a bit more. These were brutal, sadistic emperors of the fucking universe for crying out loud, seeing the Cold family plan and exact revenge against the saiyans would have been epic . It could have taken a more darker, serious tone - but nope. Instead we get saturday-morning-poorly-animated-frieza-is-a-joke-this-entire-movie-doesn't-matter.
I thought the Beerus vs SSJG Goku fight was pretty good, giving the fact that it's a movie and all. The fight against Frieza was absolute dog shit though; it was uninspired and boring.Also these new fights have been lame. It's like they took the fangs out of Dragonball Z. None of the melee really matters and all of the beams are totally uninspired garbage.
I highly doubt it will be any better.fadeddreams5 wrote:I agree with all of this. lol. On the bright/optimistic side, Super is redoing the story, so maaaaayyyyybe they'll take a different (better) approach.
BoG was a joke.
I am curious why you think this? I found it fascinating that "God of Destruction" in their name, acts the way Beerus does, it was totally refreshing to see such a unique villain in DB for onceBeerus is an uninteresting,boring character.
Super Saiyan God was one of the lamest cash-ins I've ever seen (only beat by bluper and SS bardock) The whole "super saiyan god" concept is retarded and takes away from the saiyan warrior mythos. Not to mention even it's kaioken skin is lazy.
Freeza was not a joke in that movie, when he arrived he destroyed a city, killed Gohan (well almost) molly whopped Goku and destroyed the Earth. Yeah they totally portrayed him as a joke.Instead we get saturday-morning-poorly-animated-frieza-is-a-joke-this-entire-movie-doesn't-matter.
A common misconception but it's not:-Golden Freeza: Palette swap. Fucking. Lame.
Like you said it wasn't a new transformation as such and it was always meant to similar to SS just powered by a different source, hence the colour and called SSGSS and the aura is totally different so not an exact colour swap either.-Bluper Saiyan : Not even a transformation but another palette swap.
Destroying a city is something Daimao could do, killing Gohan is irrelevant when the major fighters are so above him it's ridiculous, Goku whopped him before Sorbet came along and Earth's destruction was erased from the history books.Freeza was not a joke in that movie, when he arrived he destroyed a city, killed Gohan (well almost) molly whopped Goku and destroyed the Earth. Yeah they totally portrayed him as a joke.
Do people forget that he was 3/4 machine after Namek? I don't think you can train mechanical parts to be stronger.rereboy wrote:Not to mention how stupid he was made out to be for not having trained before, especially after having being defeated on Namek. He was definitely more of a joke in the movie than anything actually serious.
Toriyama has said #17 and #18 could get stronger via training, if I recall correctly.fexus wrote:Do people forget that he was 3/4 machine after Namek? I don't think you can train mechanical parts to be stronger.rereboy wrote:Not to mention how stupid he was made out to be for not having trained before, especially after having being defeated on Namek. He was definitely more of a joke in the movie than anything actually serious.
#18 is also human enough to have a child. While Freeza's parts is not only used to power him up but it's also used to keep him alive.Doctor. wrote:Toriyama has said #17 and #18 could get stronger via training, if I recall correctly.fexus wrote:Do people forget that he was 3/4 machine after Namek? I don't think you can train mechanical parts to be stronger.rereboy wrote:Not to mention how stupid he was made out to be for not having trained before, especially after having being defeated on Namek. He was definitely more of a joke in the movie than anything actually serious.
But it was shown that she can have a child, so not mechanical enough.Doctor. wrote:We don't know how much of 18's body is mechanical, either.
1- He still had an all-natural Ki.fexus wrote:Do people forget that he was 3/4 machine after Namek? I don't think you can train mechanical parts to be stronger.rereboy wrote:Not to mention how stupid he was made out to be for not having trained before, especially after having being defeated on Namek. He was definitely more of a joke in the movie than anything actually serious.
The only mechanical parts in #17 & #18 are the mechanisms for the shut-down device & the bomb, according to the Daizenshuu.Doctor. wrote:We don't know how much of 18's body is mechanical, either.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
There has to be that infinite energy thing too, at least.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The only mechanical parts in #17 & #18 are the mechanisms for the shut-down device & the bomb, according to the Daizenshuu.Doctor. wrote:We don't know how much of 18's body is mechanical, either.
