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Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:19 am

ect5150 wrote:Well, I just came into some money before the Holidays and decide to get myself something. I just made an official F.U. to Funi for the widescreen releases. I ordered myself the Dragon Box The Movies set (apparently at at 40%) off, and I used my savings to order the single disc that has the major portion of the last of the Cell Games. Hopefully I'm making the right choice

But as expensive as the Dragon Box releases can be, I couldn't resist the 40% off. But as much as I like the quality of the single disc I currently have, I think I was floored by a few of the pictures posted here on the forums from the movies.

I just hope the international transaction went smoothly (ordered with Amazon JP for the first time)

I'm also ordering the movies. I wonder if its possible to rip funi's subs and splice them into the dragonbox vobs. ?o_o?

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:02 am

Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:51 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

I don't see how it backfired. As it has been explained, the cropping on the movies is done in accordance with how the animation was composed so when it is cropped, you're not missing anything that was important to the composition of the frame. TV series though, it is.

Also, regardless of the crop, the Dragonbox Movies video and audio quality (when compared to the JP version on the FUNimation movie DVDs) is leagues better, so it works out as a quality release.

I wonder if its possible to rip funi's subs and splice them into the dragonbox vobs. ?o_o?

Yes, absolutely, but chances are you know whats being said and it might end up being more hard work than is really required, and you might not bother.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:53 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

Only in the sense that the movies were all framed for 16:9 and only animated on 4:3 cels to save money. Seriously, watch the movies, nothing important falls in the uppermost and lowermost portions of the screen. Can't say that about the series, because it was framed for a fullscreen presentation.

-Corey

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:24 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

Smart...we've only talked about that in this thread what? Ten times?

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:43 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

This is type of reply that just shows people will log on and troll about anything without reading.

PAY ATTENTION! The theater near you has a wide screen! Movies are shown in WIDE SCREEN! TV shows several years old are NOT! The people who don't like the new Funi releases are only asking that the items be released as they were originally intended! Anything else is fine with us, provided its a quality release (no one has bitched about adding extra audio tracks, even the people who hate the dub think its cool they'll have English audio and Japanese music). But, after considering everything, I don't think we'll get a quality release from Funi. I could be wrong, but with so many eps per disc and all the extra audio tracks, they need to release it across more discs to have a quality quality release. But if you like watching macro-blocks on the screen (Gohan vs. Cell), go ahead...

All that we've done is guarantee we'll have a good release with everything we like and nothing that Funi is forcing on us. We decided to wait to see Funi actually release these final episodes, but we'd rather have an item that is closer to the original.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:21 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

How could his plan backfire?

For starters despite the Dragon Box movies being cropped it still doesen't loose the original quality of the images, it's been proved on more than one occasion that Funi's full screened movies are even lower quality than Dragon Box's are.

The only downside is that they don't come with english subtitles, but who care's as long as you know some fluent Japanese words... you'll understand what's going on just fine.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:53 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.

I'm not going to get into the fact that they were made to be that way. My issue is that I just didn't think it was very nice.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:47 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
TheMajinRedComet wrote:Well guess what, you just ordered yourself cropped versions of the movies, so your plan back fired.
I'm not going to get into the fact that they were made to be that way. My issue is that I just didn't think it was very nice.

I don't think anyone is taking him too seriously, given his ignorant last 'LOL WIDESCREEN IS MAD MORE RESOLUTION YO'-post ;p

-Corey

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:27 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:I don't think anyone is taking him too seriously, given his ignorant last 'LOL WIDESCREEN IS MAD MORE RESOLUTION YO'-post ;p

HAHA, it was! I hope someone doesn't tell him that unless he's getting these eps on HD-DVD or BluRay, 16:9 and 4:3 DVDs are the same resolution! (they are both 720x480, at least for NTSC discs). Widescreen just stretches the picture, 4:3 scruntches it. Same res either way, can't get around that.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:05 pm

Hey people I'm curious about one thing.

I assume that the material we got to see on television matched the zoomed in material from the funimation dvd's right?

I'm wondering how it used to be aired in Japan. The way Toriyama himself saw it on television. Was this raw? Or cropped in anyway?

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:42 pm

kanzentai.com wrote:When making the original masters for a series, it is typical to copy the film while slightly zoomed-in. This reduces the risk of catching the edge of a misaligned cel (ie. seeing the edge of the image). However, with time, money and new digital technology on their side, Pony Canyon has created a new print that captures more image than the original masters. In some cases this actually meant re-aligning some of the frames, which not only allowed for a larger image surface, but also greatly reduced all former traces of jitter!

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:06 pm

sorry I didnt mean to be a troll. I just think that they wouldnt put in widescreen just to make us mad, they are trying thier best to give us a quality product and for 50$ we should give them some slack.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:59 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:sorry I didnt mean to be a troll. I just think that they wouldnt put in widescreen just to make us mad, they are trying thier best to give us a quality product and for 50$ we should give them some slack.

They aren't trying to "give" us anything(otherwise, why put a price point on it?). Saying that we shouldn't complain is a bit silly. If we have a legit issue with something, we should say so, rather than keeping it bottled inside.

As for the widescreen point, of course they didn't intend to make us mad(or at least a little upset), but that's what ended up happening.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:05 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:sorry I didnt mean to be a troll. I just think that they wouldnt put in widescreen just to make us mad, they are trying thier best to give us a quality product and for 50$ we should give them some slack.

Did they put it in wide screen to make us mad? No, I don't believe that was their intention. I do think they believe we'd like it that much more (which some people will and that's good for them) and they could use it later on next gen players and next gen TVs (which not that many people have yet).

Are they trying their best? I'm not too sure about that. I'm still willing to bet the encoding process they use for the new vids will be the same as the old. Although, it will look better because of the higher quality source materials. But they really are stretching the eps / disc to its limit.

For $50 bucks? Yeah, it is a good deal for that many episodes, I won't deny that at all. That's actually the best thing they've done. Although, to be honest, I'd still pay a bit more for them to have done it right.

Cut them slack? Not from me. Why? Because they seem to botch something every single time. I don't any of the discs are currently released are perfect, and I refuse to believe that Toei has forced them into anything. I think they should have just bought the Dbox masters and used those. It only costs money, which they have made plenty of off of all of us here. If they are going to continue to make money off of me, they now have to give me exactly what I want. But they aren't.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:32 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:sorry I didnt mean to be a troll. I just think that they wouldnt put in widescreen just to make us mad, they are trying thier best to give us a quality product and for 50$ we should give them some slack.

It's no big deal, just live and learn.

As for your comments, I agree partially. FUNi is trying to give what they(or at least someone in their company) think is a considerable upgrade from the previous releases, and I think people are the most frustrated because they obviously put some effort in and ruined it for a bunch of folks with a simple screw-up.

To quote Kevin Smith, "It's like getting an amazing blowjob!...then at the end having the girl just jerk you off."

The key that some miss is that we're being asked to pay for it, so we're allowed to show both pleasure and disappointment. Does that mean you call the FUNi reps whores and such? No, but you're allowed to say, "It's a bad idea, here's why" in an intelligent manner.

You've gotta remember, FUNi is a company trying to capitalize on this just like anything else. Which means, we have the power to cause change if we use it properly.

Funny thing is, I know for a fact that FUNi has the DragonBoxes in their offices (I spoke to a FUNi rep I know about it, while we went back and forth via email nearly all day Tuesday after she saw a parody I made which apparently the office got a kick out of, even the Brand Manager), so it's not like they're ignorant of them.

I told her my concerns, as someone who knows about the technology (title safe/action safe zones, etc) and who has seen the series and all that. She said she'd pass it along, and that they were gonna make a Q&A/FAQ about the releases. We'll see what happens.

ect5150 wrote:I do think they believe we'd like it that much more (which some people will and that's good for them) and they could use it later on next gen players and next gen TVs (which not that many people have yet).

Eh, I told her I have an HD setup with a 16:9 plasma television (a Pioneer PRO910-HD that I've had since '04), and that I still didn't want the series cropped. I don't think I'm the only one (hell, most people who'll shell out for a TV that has a 16:9 display are more anal about OAR, not less. Rich kids who post on forums and didn't buy the TVs themselves don't count, since they probably don't even know the implications of altering aspect ratios ;p).

-Corey

Cold Cobra · Post by **Cold Cobra** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:09 pm

I'm still going to get it. I'll buy the first set and if I can put up with it, I'll get the rest.

Widescreen or no widescreen the only version of the original 40 episodes I have is the "A few shots on some empty buildings and these cowards run away!", "Oh no! He destroyed the camera robot!" and "Just wait until it grows back!" edition (A.K.A: The Pioneer release...), therefore seeing it uncut and in original Japanese will be 100x better.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm glad I haven't had much money until recently, as I was planning on buying the single disc FUNi releases of the "Vegeta Saga".

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:41 pm

I just watched a clip from Funi's new dub of the Saiyan Saga (The 'It's over 9000!' scene). My God, it's crap! Sean Schemmel was OK, but Chris Sabat and the guy playing Nappa were awful. Is the rest of the series this bad in the Funi dub? The Ocean dub wasn't the best in the world, but at least it was watchable. The R2 DVDs are looking pretty good right about now.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:03 pm

Kula wrote:I just watched a clip from Funi's new dub of the Saiyan Saga (The 'It's over 9000!' scene). My God, it's crap! Sean Schemmel was OK, but Chris Sabat and the guy playing Nappa were awful. Is the rest of the series this bad in the Funi dub? The Ocean dub wasn't the best in the world, but at least it was watchable. The R2 DVDs are looking pretty good right about now.

Oh...wow. I just watched it myself. That was horrid. Vejita sounds upset, like he didn't get the new bike he wanted for Christmas. And must they throw in the 'uhhhh' sounds all over? Drummond nailed it, Vejita is pissed and both him and Horikawa emoted as such.

-Corey

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:35 pm

Well, I'm not sure if anyone noticed this (or reported it), but FUNi has posted a 480p version of their trailer on the dragonballz.com frontpage.

Dumps from the "HD version" of the trailer:

I know its cropped, but I guess I can live with it.

Kanzenshuu

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