Dragonball Z - Season 3 Set

[Kendamu]

Well, if you haven't noticed, you are the bad guy.

Attacking the sets themselves is no problem. Defending the sets themselves is no problem. But, if we can all remember back to the first Orange Brick's release, it started getting really out of hand when people started going on about what a "real fan" is.

Opinion or not, "real fan" stuff is not appreciated! We may give each other shit about what version of Dragonball we buy but we don't give each other shit about how "real" of a fan someone is based on those choices.

[megagoldx]

I did not mind the first 2 sets much. The widescreen did not particularly bother me, I only really noticed when I was looking out for it and the quality of it in general seemed fine. Now...as for season 3...this brings me to actually writing a comment (this), I have noticed a lot more of the whole dissapearing lines thing. The widescreen does still not particularly bother me, but I am now on disk 3 and the amount of lines vanishing, especially on people's faces is veeeery annoying. Personally, I did not want to buy these sets after all the bad stuff I heard and saw of them, but as far as I could tell, bar from buying every volume, there really was no other way to buy all the eps in english. I am definitely not getting all the volumes thats for sure... They just better not go and do nicer sets afterwards:/

[Kendamu]

As long as there's money to be made in Dragonball Z, FUNi'll keep finding new ways to release it.

After the Orange Bricks they'll probably release Blu-Ray Orange Bricks or something before moving on to a new way to release the series.

[megagoldx]

Actually, let me correct myself...I hope they don't within the next 10 years, so that a) there will hopefully be new people doing it, b) there is a good gap so that by that time I may have lost or destroyed or..something these ones, and c) they will be smited for producing rubbishy quality dvds when I'm sure everything will be super-ultra-rainbowcoloured-hyper definition...or something....

[jjgp1112]

I think the sets are pretty crappy.

There is no denying that, it's a flawed product, but I'm buying them because I have to, it's not the old days, FUNimation aren't going to listen to hardcore fans and videophiles, they can sell these things just fine with outright lies and misleading advertisements, people need to stop acting like if we stand up for ourselves it's going to make a fucking difference.

What personally pisses me off, is being told "FUNimation got you" "You fell for it" like I'm some dullard consumer who loves to be ripped off.
I live in Australia, our bilingual dvds kicked in (consistantly) during the Buu saga, I don't have another fucking option, what am I supposed to do?

Try to import out of print US releases?

Import the Dragonboxes?

I'm a student, to me money is that thing I have for twenty minutes, then have to give it away to stop from being crushed by debt, I simply don't have the cash to spend on something like that.

Now, people are biting each other over who's being smug and who's being elitist, regardless of their actual intentions, here's my take on it, We know the Dragonboxes are fantastic, we know they are the best possible way to view the show, but making asinine little jabs at someone every time they say they like the sets, does come off as smug.

I use the term loosely, but I guess you can say art is a subjective medium, it's in the eye of the beholder, some people prefer the way the sets look, that doesn't make them blind and it doesn't make them stupid, it means they like what they like, and who are you to tell them that they are wrong?, I personally don't like Funimation's sets, but as I stated earlier, it's my only option.

Anyway , this post wasn't an attack on anyone in particular, I was just voicing my frustrations, sorry if it comes off as a little touchy

Exactly how I feel. It's funny how no one responded to this.

I just find it annoying that when I'm looking through these threads, or threads on other boards, everytime I someone says something nice about these sets, MajinVegeta ends up attacking them (and on Funi's forums, Ryuji_Otogi does the attacking). I mean Jesus Christ, let him have his own fucking opinion instead of attacking him because he has a positive opinion on something.

Hey, MajinVegeta: How about you just leave positive opinions alone? If they say they like them, then don't point out something about the Dragonbox that's superior to this, or post some picture from these sets that show obvious flaws. If they like it, they like it. It's their own opinion, and if they don't care about the flaws, then accept it instead of having to respond to a good opinion just because the facts about these sets make liking them, in theory, seem like a virtual impossibility. Maybe if you didn't do that, all of these Season Threads wouldn't downgrade into stupid debates.

/argument

[Lavender Saiyan]

Opinion or not, "real fan" stuff is not appreciated! We may give each other shit about what version of Dragonball we buy but we don't give each other shit about how "real" of a fan someone is based on those choices.

Well said buddy. When Season 1 released I made the mistake of calling someone out like that in frustration. Which I later realized to be a childish and stupid thing to say. We're all DB fans here.

[Kaboom]

A bunch of stuff.

Seconded.

[jjgp1112]

A bunch of stuff.

Seconded.

The truth's that devastating?

[Kaboom]

A bunch of stuff.

Seconded.

The truth's that devastating?

Not really. But still.

[Drunken Master]

Opinion or not, "real fan" stuff is not appreciated! We may give each other shit about what version of Dragonball we buy but we don't give each other shit about how "real" of a fan someone is based on those choices.

Well said buddy. When Season 1 released I made the mistake of calling someone out like that in frustration. Which I later realized to be a childish and stupid thing to say. We're all DB fans here.

Ugh...The phrase "real fan" is being thrown around in too many diffferent ways than I meant. Look, I meant a real fan would be complaining about the animation period, rather then how someone down the line cropped it, or the colors or whatever else people are complaining about. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 'DBZ' stinks compared to the Dragon Ball manga, but either way it's an opinion. There's tons of versions you can buy out there. I should have replaced "real fan" with something else, my bad, but it changes little in my opinionated statement.

[MajinVejitaXV]

I just find it annoying that when I'm looking through these threads, or threads on other boards, everytime I someone says something nice about these sets, MajinVegeta ends up attacking them (and on Funi's forums, Ryuji_Otogi does the attacking). I mean Jesus Christ, let him have his own fucking opinion instead of attacking him because he has a positive opinion on something.

I attacked someone here?

...hm, let's review the thread quickly:

-Kendamu says that, according to Amazon, someone who favors the sets is in the majority.
-I, jokingly, say that according to Amazon most DBZ fans don't know how to spell/use proper grammar.
-I get called out by Toniofalcon for being "smug."
-I reply, civilly, stating my opinions.
-DrunkenMaster says the colors are great, I reply (again jokingly) citing a picture someone posted.
-DrunkenMaster takes this as a personal attack, goes on tirade about how the anime is shit to begin with, he's 22 and therefore a manly man, etc.
-I reply and poke fun at him because, in my eyes, he's made an ass of himself. I append the whole thing with the fact that I'm not trying to be "smug" or whatever, but that I'm just one fan among many who feels sorry for DBZ fans in America.

Hey, MajinVegeta: How about you just leave positive opinions alone?

Freedom of speech for some, socks in the mouth for others? Interesting idealogy.

If they say they like them, then don't point out something about the Dragonbox that's superior to this, or post some picture from these sets that show obvious flaws.

I re-posted a picture someone else posted. Sorry for posting...uh, nothing new?

If they like it, they like it. It's their own opinion, and if they don't care about the flaws, then accept it instead of having to respond to a good opinion just because the facts about these sets make liking them, in theory, seem like a virtual impossibility.

If I don't like it, I don't like it. It's my own opinion, and if I care about the flaws, then accept it instead of having to respond to a bad opinion with apathy and/or personal attacks because you think not liking these sets makes me some sort of elitist fuckhead or means I'm attacking you even though my only attacks 90% of the time are in response to someone else starting shit (and even then it's typically me poking them to get them to make a bigger ass of themselves).

"Wow, these sets are great!"
"Eh, but I noticed this. It looks horrible."
"WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME?!"
"...WTFPLZ."

Jeez, no wonder people think DragonBall fans are idiots...

-Corey

[jjgp1112]

I just find it annoying that when I'm looking through these threads, or threads on other boards, everytime I someone says something nice about these sets, MajinVegeta ends up attacking them (and on Funi's forums, Ryuji_Otogi does the attacking). I mean Jesus Christ, let him have his own fucking opinion instead of attacking him because he has a positive opinion on something.

I attacked someone here?

...hm, let's review the thread quickly:

-Kendamu says that, according to Amazon, someone who favors the sets is in the majority.
-I, jokingly, say that according to Amazon most DBZ fans don't know how to spell/use proper grammar.
-I get called out by Toniofalcon for being "smug."
-I reply, civilly, stating my opinions.
-DrunkenMaster says the colors are great, I reply (again jokingly) citing a picture someone posted.
-DrunkenMaster takes this as a personal attack, goes on tirade about how the anime is shit to begin with, he's 22 and therefore a manly man, etc.
-I reply and poke fun at him because, in my eyes, he's made an ass of himself. I append the whole thing with the fact that I'm not trying to be "smug" or whatever, but that I'm just one fan among many who feels sorry for DBZ fans in America.

Hey, MajinVegeta: How about you just leave positive opinions alone?

Freedom of speech for some, socks in the mouth for others? Interesting idealogy.

If they say they like them, then don't point out something about the Dragonbox that's superior to this, or post some picture from these sets that show obvious flaws.

I re-posted a picture someone else posted. Sorry for posting...uh, nothing new?

If they like it, they like it. It's their own opinion, and if they don't care about the flaws, then accept it instead of having to respond to a good opinion just because the facts about these sets make liking them, in theory, seem like a virtual impossibility.

If I don't like it, I don't like it. It's my own opinion, and if I care about the flaws, then accept it instead of having to respond to a bad opinion with apathy and/or personal attacks because you think not liking these sets makes me some sort of elitist fuckhead or means I'm attacking you even though my only attacks 90% of the time are in response to someone else starting shit (and even then it's typically me poking them to get them to make a bigger ass of themselves).

"Wow, these sets are great!"
"Eh, but I noticed this. It looks horrible."
"WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME?!"
"...WTFPLZ."

Jeez, no wonder people think DragonBall fans are idiots...

-Corey

I'm not just talking about that, I'm talking about other posts.

Example:

User: These sets have fairly good colors
You: But the Dragon Box has them without them being overbrightened.

User: I like how these sets look.
You: *posts a fucked up looking pic.*

Jesus christ, just leave them alone. If they like something that you hate, no need to respond to every post that praises these sets just because you find liking them impossible.

This has nothing to do with your opinion. It has to do with you responding to any opinion other than yours in a negative way even though it's unnecessary. Jeez, before I didn't think you were a smug elitist, but you're really starting to act like one now.

[SatoSky]

Ugh...The phrase "real fan" is being thrown around in too many diffferent ways than I meant. Look, I meant a real fan would be complaining about the animation period, rather then how someone down the line cropped it, or the colors or whatever else people are complaining about. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 'DBZ' stinks compared to the Dragon Ball manga, but either way it's an opinion. There's tons of versions you can buy out there. I should have replaced "real fan" with something else, my bad, but it changes little in my opinionated statement.

A fan of the show would accept the animation for what it is. Complaining about how it was originally animated wouldn't get us anywhere, complaing how the already "crappy" animation was made even more suck-tastic by fucking up the colors and cropping that shit to an uncomfortable 16:9, among many other things... Well that just might prompt FUNi to do a decent release, which is all that I want.

[Kendamu]

Ugh...The phrase "real fan" is being thrown around in too many diffferent ways than I meant. Look, I meant a real fan would be complaining about the animation period, rather then how someone down the line cropped it, or the colors or whatever else people are complaining about. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 'DBZ' stinks compared to the Dragon Ball manga, but either way it's an opinion. There's tons of versions you can buy out there. I should have replaced "real fan" with something else, my bad, but it changes little in my opinionated statement.

This has nothing to do with whether or not the manga is better. If that's what the thread were about, we'd be agreeing right now because I like the manga better. However, that's not what this is about.

Look, we've complained about "triangle crap" and other badly-animated episodes before. In fact, there was a recent thread about actually finding out the studio names for the various animation crews that took on Dragonball Z. But, that's not the point. That's not what this is about.

Right now, we're talking about the Season 3 boxset and the season boxsets in general. That's what this is about.

That's why we're complaining about FUNi's cropping and remastering instead of animation studios. Cropping and remastering is what this thread is about!

Kendamu says that, according to Amazon, someone who favors the sets is in the majority.

The funny thing is that right after I made that comment people started defending themselves out the ass! It kind of goes directly against my point!

"Wow, these sets are great!"
"Eh, but I noticed this. It looks horrible."
"WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME?!"
"...WTFPLZ."

Funniest thing I've read all day.

[Toniofalcon]

I liked the Ocean dub. It has a sort of nostalgic value to me. I like how their voices were all doinked up and goofy sounding.

Oh, and I took that statement back ( about being smug ) .

But that one guy has a point. We all understand that the boxsets have problems, but why do you have to bash them whenever someone says they like them? This is kind of what I was getting to earlier. Someone says something good about the sets ( looking on the bright side of things ) and then someone posts the infamous Super Saiyan blob or Piccolo getting his head cut off, or just bash the DVDs in general.

We get it, they're bad. But what else are we supposed to do? I hate it when people can point out every single problem without giving any solution. Do you think making us feel any worse about our purchases will make FUNI do something?

[Kendamu]

Well, unless you can dish out between $30 and $40 per 5 unsubbed Japanese episodes there is no solution.

[Captain Awesome]

Do you think making us feel any worse about our purchases will make FUNI do something?

I find that funny, and sort of agree although I know (well I hope) that isn't the actual intent of some people.

As I said before, standing up for ourselves as fans won't do shit, the nine year olds have spoken.

[NeptuneKai]

My main issue is that people are lying down and taking it in the butt by funimation and these sets instead of actually saying no. The less sales they get with this travesty the sooner we can get a decent DVD release without a ton of footage gone. Much like back in the Season 1,2, and 3 days imagine if people just took it in the ass instead of constantly requesting uncut DVDs.

[Toniofalcon]

Do you think making us feel any worse about our purchases will make FUNI do something?

I find that funny, and sort of agree although I know (well I hope) that isn't the actual intent of some people.

As I said before, standing up for ourselves as fans won't do shit, the nine year olds have spoken.

Thank you.

[Kendamu]

Well, first, we actually have to stand up for ourselves before we say that it won't work.

Someone organized the idea of handwritten letters. FUNimation's probably gotten somewhere around 30.

I know there's more than 30 people who dislike the remaster.