"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

Lmao 17 made progress yeah because randomly being god tier with no training never shown emotion throughout the whole time in super and 17 doing what attack a character before transforming because that's the type of stuff future trunks always did and he did it way better and vegeta actually did do that in z before but he mainly though of a plain to beat them like namek vegeta did and calm the guy was anything but calm in the buu saga in the end of z is when he was basically made a side character and his relationship with bulma is not that better are you serious? And you do know 17 a cyborg who use to be human while vegeta a saiyan who basically in love with fighting big difference vegeta hater

"Vegeta hater"? I guess by your lack of effort in posting in this forum you might having a hard time to understand what I meant. I'm not a Vegeta hater, I'm not in any fan club, I'm a Dragon Ball fan only.

Did I ever mentioned battle powers in my previous post? When I talk about #17 progress is about his current personality. And no, I remember Trunks trying to attack Semi Perfect when he was about to became Perfect and that's it no more of it.

You're so biased that it's funny, I'm not comparing Z Vegeta as a whole to Super!Vegeta and yes with Boo arc Vegeta, as I said earlier: "I use as reference cause it was Vegeta major development arc". But anyway, let's go.

Super vegeta:
-Puts family over everything
-willing not to leave bulma side(yeah let's pretend that's something z vegeta would do)
-actually trains future trunks and teaches him all his techniques(something z vegeta wouldn't even do)
-he barely cares about surpassing goku this is shown all the time
-his relationship with bulma improves every saga

- He flew off the island they were on vacations to train in the Gravity Room, he was gone for several months to train with Whis. The only time Vegeta puts family over everything was with Bra being born.
- Sorry, but when? He show signs of dissatisfaction when she shows affection towards him.
- Oh really? Like Boo arc Vegeta wasn't training with Trunks right? We could pretty much assume he teach some techniques to his son.
- He was desperate to Whis train him in order to surpass Goku and was angry when later discovered that Goku still one step ahead of him with the SSJB+Kaioken combo.
- His relationship with Bulma improved a lot in the end of Android arc to the Boo arc. In Super is somewhat stagnant and less appealing.

Thats because Calm Vegeta is boring and has no drive to become stronger and if he has no reason to be stronger than he can't be in the story as much as he has been and don't you dare say his drive is to protect his family because we have 2 characters who have that same drive and they have barley been in the story.

Would it make sense for Gees to be neutered after Buu, yeah. Would it be entertaining, heck no and thats the whole point of the show.

I'm not saying that he should be exactly like #17 when fighting, we can have bad tempered Vegeta as much as we want, but without making the same mistakes of understimating his opponents and attacking without thinking. Also Vegeta in the end of manga said that someday he will surpass Goku, so yeah he pretty much still had that "drive" to become stronger, but not like the objective of his life as used to be before and yes you can also use the "protect my family" excuse.

Of course it would be entertaining, seeing Vegeta settled down with everyone on Earth, having no problems with his wife showing affection, still training to become stronger, not giving a damn to Goku and being a smarter fighter, it would be very nice.

No it wouldn't. He be Piccolo and why would he train to get stronger if he is not trying to surpass Goku? What would be his drive? You can't say himself because then that makes him selfish and it be prideful like buu arc vegeta.

The Vegeta you want, would not train. He have no reason to. His family is not a good reason. His pride can no longer be a reason. Protection of the Earth is not a good reason because they are all boring or interchangeable with someone else.

Also when did Vegeta stop being a dumb fighter because it wasn't in the buu saga.

you don't understand. We HAD that Vegeta in GT and he did nothing of merit, he wasn't even in the story for a lot of it and he still made rookie mistakes. Why was he not in the story because he had no reason to be.


Vegeta is Goku's eternal rival, the moment that is removed from his character, he will no longer be relevant.


And what affection for Bulma did he show in Z? Vegeta is a tsundere with relationships, notice how he never told Goku he was the best or BUlma that he ever loved her, heck him hugging trunks was the only time we saw any emotion of love from him in Z and that was only because he was about to die.

[ArchedThunder]

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches.The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

That frame doesn't match Jiren either. Completely trashing episode 82 part way into production would make no sense, especially on Super's schedule. It's far more likely that it was intentional misdirection or something.
Also we recently had Kale be called Kelly in a recent episode description, I believe it was from a TV guide.

[OLKv3]

[Dragonballgod19]

Lmao 17 made progress yeah because randomly being god tier with no training never shown emotion throughout the whole time in super and 17 doing what attack a character before transforming because that's the type of stuff future trunks always did and he did it way better and vegeta actually did do that in z before but he mainly though of a plain to beat them like namek vegeta did and calm the guy was anything but calm in the buu saga in the end of z is when he was basically made a side character and his relationship with bulma is not that better are you serious? And you do know 17 a cyborg who use to be human while vegeta a saiyan who basically in love with fighting big difference vegeta hater

"Vegeta hater"? I guess by your lack of effort in posting in this forum you might having a hard time to understand what I meant. I'm not a Vegeta hater, I'm not in any fan club, I'm a Dragon Ball fan only.

Did I ever mentioned battle powers in my previous post? When I talk about #17 progress is about his current personality. And no, I remember Trunks trying to attack Semi Perfect when he was about to became Perfect and that's it no more of it.

You're so biased that it's funny, I'm not comparing Z Vegeta as a whole to Super!Vegeta and yes with Boo arc Vegeta, as I said earlier: "I use as reference cause it was Vegeta major development arc". But anyway, let's go.

Super vegeta:
-Puts family over everything
-willing not to leave bulma side(yeah let's pretend that's something z vegeta would do)
-actually trains future trunks and teaches him all his techniques(something z vegeta wouldn't even do)
-he barely cares about surpassing goku this is shown all the time
-his relationship with bulma improves every saga

- He flew off the island they were on vacations to train in the Gravity Room, he was gone for several months to train with Whis. The only time Vegeta puts family over everything was with Bra being born.
- Sorry, but when? He show signs of dissatisfaction when she shows affection towards him.
- Oh really? Like Boo arc Vegeta wasn't training with Trunks right? We could pretty much assume he teach some techniques to his son.
- He was desperate to Whis train him in order to surpass Goku and was angry when later discovered that Goku still one step ahead of him with the SSJB+Kaioken combo.
- His relationship with Bulma improved a lot in the end of Android arc to the Boo arc. In Super is somewhat stagnant and less appealing.

Thats because Calm Vegeta is boring and has no drive to become stronger and if he has no reason to be stronger than he can't be in the story as much as he has been and don't you dare say his drive is to protect his family because we have 2 characters who have that same drive and they have barley been in the story.

Would it make sense for Gees to be neutered after Buu, yeah. Would it be entertaining, heck no and thats the whole point of the show.

I'm not saying that he should be exactly like #17 when fighting, we can have bad tempered Vegeta as much as we want, but without making the same mistakes of understimating his opponents and attacking without thinking. Also Vegeta in the end of manga said that someday he will surpass Goku, so yeah he pretty much still had that "drive" to become stronger, but not like the objective of his life as used to be before and yes you can also use the "protect my family" excuse.

Of course it would be entertaining, seeing Vegeta settled down with everyone on Earth, having no problems with his wife showing affection, still training to become stronger, not giving a damn to Goku and being a smarter fighter, it would be very nice.

No it wouldn't. He be Piccolo and why would he train to get stronger if he is not trying to surpass Goku? What would be his drive? You can't say himself because then that makes him selfish and it be prideful like buu arc vegeta.

The Vegeta you want, would not train. He have no reason to. His family is not a good reason. His pride can no longer be a reason. Protection of the Earth is not a good reason because they are all boring or interchangeable with someone else.

Also when did Vegeta stop being a dumb fighter because it wasn't in the buu saga.

you don't understand. We HAD that Vegeta in GT and he did nothing of merit, he wasn't even in the story for a lot of it and he still made rookie mistakes. Why was he not in the story because he had no reason to be.


Vegeta is Goku's eternal rival, the moment that is removed from his character, he will no longer be relevant.


And what affection for Bulma did he show in Z? Vegeta is a tsundere with relationships, notice how he never told Goku he was the best or BUlma that he ever loved her, heck him hugging trunks was the only time we saw any emotion of love from him in Z and that was only because he was about to die.

This and we already had that vegeta in gt and look what happened and vegeta relationship with bulma really is better in super

[Baggie_Saiyan]

We've had errors in descriptions before, yes.

Oh so it'll be goku going blue
Nothing new

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches. The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku going SSB hardly seems worth mentioning in a summary at this point, but we'll see.

But SSG is lesser transformation why tease it? If they're teasing a confrontation makes sense to them to tease Goku's strongest form. Goku going SSGSS off the bat to face Dypso certainly seems something to hype about, but a form the audience knows is lesser doesn't make sense.

[Ki Breaker]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Huh..
I hope this does not happen.. and blue is discarded forever

[OLKv3]

Oh so it'll be goku going blue
Nothing new

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches. The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku going SSB hardly seems worth mentioning in a summary at this point, but we'll see.

But SSG is lesser transformation why tease it? If they're teasing a confrontation makes sense to them to tease Goku's strongest form. Goku going SSGSS off the bat to face Dypso certainly seems something to hype about, but a form the audience knows is lesser doesn't make sense.

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

[BlueBasilisk]

I'd be really happy if Super Saiyan God made a comeback as it's a cool looking form, but they'll need a damn good explanation since episodes 13 and 14 showed that he lost the form/absorbed the power/what have you. Until we actually see some confirmation in a NEP or something I'm going to take that with a grain of salt. I have a feeling it'll just be Blue again.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches. The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku going SSB hardly seems worth mentioning in a summary at this point, but we'll see.

But SSG is lesser transformation why tease it? If they're teasing a confrontation makes sense to them to tease Goku's strongest form. Goku going SSGSS off the bat to face Dypso certainly seems something to hype about, but a form the audience knows is lesser doesn't make sense.

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

Except we literally don't know anything about the form much less jumping to wild conclusions like "upgrade of SSG".

[OLKv3]

But SSG is lesser transformation why tease it? If they're teasing a confrontation makes sense to them to tease Goku's strongest form. Goku going SSGSS off the bat to face Dypso certainly seems something to hype about, but a form the audience knows is lesser doesn't make sense.

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

Except we literally don't know anything about the form much less jumping to wild conclusions like "upgrade of SSG".

Hence me saying "Guessing"

[GodKaio-Ken]

It's not really useless, they conserved energy while everyone else was running around getting tired. Now they are full of energy and while everyone else is tired like zeno mentioned.

The point isnt to eliminate others though. Its to not be eliminated. There is no good reason to break the strategy so early.

Roshi also said that they're running out of ground right before Gohan looks at the stage and says that. I'm assuming with the way the stage is at the moment, it would be hard to keep the formation.

More obstacles should help in keeping hidden though youd think.

[Dragonballgod19]

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches. The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku going SSB hardly seems worth mentioning in a summary at this point, but we'll see.

But SSG is lesser transformation why tease it? If they're teasing a confrontation makes sense to them to tease Goku's strongest form. Goku going SSGSS off the bat to face Dypso certainly seems something to hype about, but a form the audience knows is lesser doesn't make sense.

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

I'm pretty sure goku new form is just a new level of kaioken and super saiyan god is basically inrelevant It only use was bog arc and the anime and manga confirmed that Ssb if far superior to it if anything ssg is the failure

[Kishido]

Holy shit guve me a good explanation for the return Super Saiyan God...

[Dragonballgod19]

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

Except we literally don't know anything about the form much less jumping to wild conclusions like "upgrade of SSG".

Hence me saying "Guessing"

It's not a upgrade of super saiyan god that form been useless since bog arc like I said goku new form will just be a upgrade of kaioken notice this in the goku vs toppo fight he says what to know what it's like when I break my limits notice how he goes straight to kaioken at this point his new form will obviously be a higher leveler of kaioken anybody who thinks that it's ssg is honestly stupid because that form is literally useless especially since the anime and manga confirmed that super saiyan blue is stronger

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Because Goku's new god form is an upgrade of SSG, the whole red hair thing. Guessing SSB is a failure and this new form is the true mastery of SSG

Except we literally don't know anything about the form much less jumping to wild conclusions like "upgrade of SSG".

Hence me saying "Guessing"

You didn't type that before you put "upgrade of SSG" thus implying to me you're stating it is a fact.

[Dragonballgod19]

Holy shit guve me a good explanation for the return Super Saiyan God...

Could be a descriptive error, wouldn't be the first time they've missed up the description and ssg is basically fodder that form was only relevant for one arc

[Ki Breaker]

Holy shit guve me a good explanation for the return Super Saiyan God...

Maybe because Toyotaro is giving them information, and Toyo has SSG..

[OLKv3]

Except we literally don't know anything about the form much less jumping to wild conclusions like "upgrade of SSG".

Hence me saying "Guessing"

You didn't type that before you put "upgrade of SSG" thus implying to me you're stating it is a fact.

[TheOne]

Looks like Hit is going to have problems with Dyspo. How unfortunate seeing as how Dyspos debute was him getting his butt kicked.

[Terez]

The closest thing in recent memory is when Animage (same magazine) said that Goku would fight Jiren in the exhibition matches.The consensus on that, however, is that they were given outdated information by Toei, since Jiren was actually originally intended to be Goku's opponent, as seen in the original version of the OP animation.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

That frame doesn't match Jiren either.

I've never seen anyone argue that it doesn't. The skin color is right and the size is right. When they replaced him with Toppo, the figure got a lot bigger.

Also we recently had Kale be called Kelly in a recent episode description, I believe it was from a TV guide.

Weekly Shōnen Jump, and it was just a misspelling of her name. Not really comparable IMO.