"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

[Ssgvegito30]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

Exactly!!!!

[Hellspawn28]

DBZ did had good animation at times, but most of it was okay at best. DB was a series never known for having good animation. People remember DB for the story, action and characters. Besides Toei in the past has done awful looking animation too. They did Psychic Wars in 1991 and it looked back then too. Even the original Gundam show from 1979 looked better than Psychic Wars did in my opinion.

To be fair the detail and action were animated (usually) much better than their american counter parts. So in places like the U.S, it is know for it's animation also (remember Z started right before the anime boom in the US)

DBZ is always remember for it's action, story and characters. Why do you think people still go back and talk about how cool Goku vs. Vegeta was or awesome Cell was? Not to mention there are well animated western animated shows around that time too like Batman: The Animated series, Gargoyles and Spawn on HBO. There is really good looking western animated shows even today like Archer, The Venture Bros, Legend of Kora and Young Justice.

[dbzfan7]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

The original animes had their share of ugly animation. Difference is Super is so shit and boring, that it can't mask the animation problems. It's story isn't engaging enough, it's choreography is dull, and the music is horrendous. If Super had a more engaging story, interesting fight choreography even if the animation isn't pretty, and a good soundtrack to enhance the experience, people would care less about the animation overall. In cinema it's called movie magic. If the movie is good enough, people will ignore and care far less about problems the movie has. Nonsensical plot? Who cares the movie is so fun it's alright. Fighting kinda lame in a tv show, well it doesn't matter since it's not the focus, and the plot n characters are interesting enough to make us ignore the issues. Super isn't doing a good job to distract us from it's issues, so they become more apparent. Despite the other anime having it's poor moments, it did a vastly better job making people either forgive, or not notice the issues because overall they were entertained. The people who are complaining are not just crapping on the animation, it goes deeper than that. Though for some the animation has become a running joke, even if it's passable some times. My animation beef is strictly choreography, which is so bad that the anime is ashamed to show it, so they constantly cut away instead of building up the bouts.

[Hellspawn28]

Sailor Moon Crystal looked pretty bad. So I don't know why people expect Super to look much better. I think people had their hopes way too high. They are not going to give it a pixar level budget just because it's Dragon Ball when they don't do the same for their other big name franchises.

[Drayenko]

Sailor Moon Crystal looked pretty bad. So I don't know why people expect Super to look much better. I think people had their hopes way too high. They are not going to give it a pixar level budget just because it's Dragon Ball when they don't do the same for their other big name franchises.

Yay! Let's keep things as they've always been and not complain, ever. Because we have unrealistic expectations and we should be thankful for anything and everything Toei throws at us.

[Hellspawn28]

The higher expectations you have, the bigger chance that you will be let down. History has been known to repeat itself. That's why fans was let down with GT since everyone had high expectations for it since it aired right after DBZ ended and no one knew what to expect out of it.

[pacz360]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

More like people trying defend super weaknesses that they have resort to bringing up bad shots of z to lessen it no one here is going to act like z was perfect it had its flaws but fuck it had enough strength to overcome it flaws compared to the shit that is super.

[Xeztin]

In all honesty, I think we might as well forget about animation or art because there's no way it can fixed. They are animating episodes from week to week with no pre-production which screwed them. Even if they took a break, all efforts and employee's would be put into another franchise instead of working on Super while it's on break just like was discussed in the latest podcast. I'm not even sure if top notch veteran animators could fix it, it'd probably be a little better but nothing too amazing just because of the time restraints. If Akira Toriyama's complaint can't convince them to try to up the quality, then I'm not sure anyone can. Toei has obviously caught wind of the backlash a while back, though they probably aren't going to do much to try to satisfy those people since there hasn't been any amazing difference between the last two arcs.

[alakazam^]

Yay! Let's keep things as they've always been and not complain, ever. Because we have unrealistic expectations and we should be thankful for anything and everything Toei throws at us.

Your complaining isn't going to change anything because you're not even supposed to be watching Super.

[Drayenko]

By that logic the opposite is also true. And this is 2016, not 1855. I buy the products as much as any Japanese, it's a globalized world.

[sintzu]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

If those 2 shows were as bad as Super then they wouldn't be the classic icons that they are now.

Them being talked about and compared to other modern anime 20+ years after their ending is a testament to how good they are.

Do you think Super will be looked at by fans and critics as a timeless classic 20 years from now ?

[JulieYBM]

The cartoons are not even made for Japanese fans with good taste, let alone foreigners who don't even make premium projects worthwhile.

[Hellspawn28]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

If those 2 shows were as bad as Super then they wouldn't be the classic icons that they are now.

Those two shows had good stories, action and characters to them too. There is more to it besides the animation.

[Miracles]

People's unjust complaints about TOEI's Dragonball animation has never watched original DB/DBZ.

The original animes had their share of ugly animation. Difference is Super is so shit and boring, that it can't mask the animation problems. It's story isn't engaging enough, it's choreography is dull, and the music is horrendous. If Super had a more engaging story, interesting fight choreography even if the animation isn't pretty, and a good soundtrack to enhance the experience, people would care less about the animation overall. In cinema it's called movie magic. If the movie is good enough, people will ignore and care far less about problems the movie has. Nonsensical plot? Who cares the movie is so fun it's alright. Fighting kinda lame in a tv show, well it doesn't matter since it's not the focus, and the plot n characters are interesting enough to make us ignore the issues. Super isn't doing a good job to distract us from it's issues, so they become more apparent. Despite the other anime having it's poor moments, it did a vastly better job making people either forgive, or not notice the issues because overall they were entertained. The people who are complaining are not just crapping on the animation, it goes deeper than that. Though for some the animation has become a running joke, even if it's passable some times. My animation beef is strictly choreography, which is so bad that the anime is ashamed to show it, so they constantly cut away instead of building up the bouts.

I only posted the complaints for the art of Dragonball is unjustified. The reprimand for Dragon ball Super butchering what Dragon ball is known for; fight choreography, and cool looking/interesting characters is righteous.

[sintzu]

I think people had their hopes way too high.

A lot of us were expecting something just good, not groundbreaking or award winning.

Are we to the point where expecting something to be good is too much ? is a 7/10 sequel to one of the biggest anime franchises too much for a multi million dollar company ?

What makes everything worse is them defending it's quality and trying to make us look wrong which shows that they have less then 0 respect for the fans and this franchise.

Those two shows had good stories, action and characters to them too. There is more to it besides the animation.

I was talking about them as a whole but I guess I should've mentioned it.

You'd think with Toriyama coming out of retirement they'd put some effort in the important parts at least.

[alakazam^]

By that logic the opposite is also true. And this is 2016, not 1855. I buy the products as much as any Japanese, it's a globalized world.

Yeah, well, you're still not supposed to be watching, in their mind.

What opposite is true? You're the one saying that if you don't complain, nothing will change when you know they will only care about Japanese citizens' complaints.

Unless anyone here is contacting Toei diretly, complaining about animation got old ever since episode 5 aired.

[Khin]

I'm not quite sure how the animation of Super has anything to do with the DBS manga thread.If you guys want to complain/discuss about the animation,then this is not the right thread for it.On the other hand,i wonder if the next chapter will rush up a bit so that they can catch up to the anime.

[Neon Z]

I'm not quite sure how the animation of Super has anything to do with the DBS manga thread.If you guys want to complain/discuss about the animation,then this is not the right thread for it.On the other hand,i wonder if the next chapter will rush up a bit so that they can catch up to the anime.

I wonder if there'll be something like Goku falling unconscious in the manga for longer than in the anime in order to skip some battles.

[Wezenheim]

I hope that Toyotaro can take his time with the manga a bit more now that the anime has already passed it. The pacing is perhaps my only issue with the manga (and one of the issues of the anime as welll, oddly enough). I also hope that the 30 or so page count stays.