"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Mercenary]

If Dyspo is going to give Hit trouble, then they sure gave him a super underwhelming introduction unbefitting of character that is supposedly a powerhouse. Judging from what Herms translated, his supposedly stupidly strong.

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

[Jigurashi]

I don't think it's appropriate to say what AT did. I'm not sure he's wrote enough about a character like Hitto in his outline to accurately say how strong or weak he wants him to be. To say he went out to Toei to make him weak like in the manga is a bit much. Regardless, Hitto becoming less relevant power wise was always going to happen. It's been going on since the very beginning of this series. If someone has a problem with that, why not drop the series ages ago? There's no signs of things changing. The thing that's happening to Hitto, is going to happen to Jiren, and is going to happen to the big adversaries in future sagas. Hitto's time has just come to where he likely is going to be left behind by the time this saga ends.

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

Jobbing would imply Hitto would get destroyed by Vegeta. I think it'd be a good fight, but I definitely could see Vegeta getting the win on him. The big difference between Veggie and other major adversaries is that Vegeta will always be relevant power wise, while these other guys are almost guaranteed to end up below Vegeta before the series ends.

[Totamo]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

I have a strong feeling its because of pity.

[Mercenary]

I don't think it's appropriate to say what AT did. I'm not sure he's wrote enough about a character like Hitto in his outline to accurately say how strong or weak he wants him to be. To say he went out to Toei to make him weak like in the manga is a bit much. Regardless, Hitto becoming less relevant power wise was always going to happen. It's been going on since the very beginning of this series. If someone has a problem with that, why not drop the series ages ago? There's no signs of things changing. The thing that's happening to Hitto, is going to happen to Jiren, and is going to happen to the big adversaries in future sagas. Hitto's time has just come to where he likely is going to be left behind by the time this saga ends.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

Jobbing would imply Hitto would get destroyed by Vegeta. I think it'd be a good fight, but I definitely could see Vegeta getting the win on him. The big difference between Veggie and other major adversaries is that Vegeta will always be relevant power wise, while these other guys are almost guaranteed to end up below Vegeta before the series ends.

You've made a very, very good point. Many people are constantly mocking Vegeta that he is a jobber, that he won't ever finish the job, beat the main antagonist or save the day BUT - those adversaries will end up WEAKER than Vegeta anyway, so the last laugh always will belong to Vegeta....

[omaro34]

These polls beyond a shadow of a doubt don't change what Toriyama and Toei plan on doing with these characters. It doesn't have major influence in the plot, and is just a means of bickering with one another over a certain character being better than the other. A character's popularity even in a historical perspective has never influenced Toriyama's storytelling to the extent that it improves a character's relevance in the story. And it never will.

These polls speak to the obvious which is they highlight what external entities feel about characters in the show. And the only opinion I'll take seriously in this matter of character relevance is Toei's and Toriyama's. Many here should do the same.

[Michsi]

A character's popularity even in a historical perspective has never influenced Toriyama's storytelling to the extent that it improves a character's relevance in the story. And it never will.

I might be wrong here, but wasn't popularity what kept Vegeta around? I think I remember him mentioning that he was supposed to stay dead, but chose to bring him back because he became really popular in the Freeza arc .

[VegettoEX]

I might be wrong here, but wasn't popularity what kept Vegeta around? I think I remember him mentioning that he was supposed to stay dead, but chose to bring him back because he became really popular in the Freeza arc .

You're conflating two different points.

Separately, Toriyama both kept Vegeta around because he was "helpful" of a character to have around, and then also killed him off because fans liked him so much.

[emperior]

As a matter of fact Hit should be a bum in the Future Trunks arc, but neither the manga or the anime had the typical Toriyama statement: "X is many times stronger than Hit"

Don't care much about the manga, but the anime implies that Hit is still a big deal, let's see which will be his fate in this tournament.

Super is more in-line with OG DB, where we never got comparisions if I remeber correctly.

[Gray Riders]

Super is more in-line with OG DB, where we never got comparisions if I remeber correctly.

It might have been a Vizism, but Piccolo claimed Tambourine was several times more powerful than Cymbal. That's the only one I specifically remember though.

[Michsi]

I might be wrong here, but wasn't popularity what kept Vegeta around? I think I remember him mentioning that he was supposed to stay dead, but chose to bring him back because he became really popular in the Freeza arc .

You're conflating two different points.

Separately, Toriyama both kept Vegeta around because he was "helpful" of a character to have around, and then also killed him off because fans liked him so much.

Oh, so it seems. I remember the "he was helpful to have around" bit, but I could've sworn Vegeta was brought back after the Namek arc because he ended up doing well with fans. Been a while since I went through the interviews...
Thanks for clarifying.

[JulianStyles]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

I'm waiting for that episode too!

[The_Destroyer]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

I'm waiting for that episode too!

I hope Toshio's comment about Yamcha's power being needed is reffering to an episode about this.

[GodKaio-Ken]

No offense but Ill be kinda upset if they cant spend time on the fighters in the tournament but can dedicate an episode to Yamcha.

[MainJPW]

I hope Toshio's comment about Yamcha's power being needed is reffering to an episode about this.

Before that comment, he did tweet about wanting to write an episode about "Yamcha and Chaozu protecting Earth", that and the stuff with Yamcha's voice actor has to be pointing towards an upcoming episode.

[GodVegetto91]

You know how i view the earlier stages of this tournament? I view it as nothing more than "cleaning up" and "making room for the big fish" there's arguably a lot of fodder, as is expected with 80 warriors among just a few God Tier fighters. The tournament hasn't really been all that interesting to me up until this point. But i know it eventually will, especially in the finals with Jiren and Goku with his new powerup. I'm also interested in Vegeta's supposive rematch with Hit, and in Freeza and Gohan. At this point, anything can happen at the end of this tournament, i'm really eager to see what happems with the whole "Grand Priest being evil whoaa!" And the Omni-Kings. This tournament definitely won't be just another simple tournament. There's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

[Jigurashi]

Super is more in-line with OG DB, where we never got comparisions if I remeber correctly.

It might have been a Vizism, but Piccolo claimed Tambourine was several times more powerful than Cymbal. That's the only one I specifically remember though.

I think it was also stated that Piccolo Jr. was several leagues above his father as well.

[emperior]

Super is more in-line with OG DB, where we never got comparisions if I remeber correctly.

It might have been a Vizism, but Piccolo claimed Tambourine was several times more powerful than Cymbal. That's the only one I specifically remember though.

I don't think that was an error from Viz. This line was however still very vague as it's "several times" and we don't know how strong Cymbal was. This is like what we get in Super: some vague lines which give us an idea of how powerful the characters are.
I see some people who complain about Super not giving us comparisions with past enemies, and I also complained in the past as I would like some comparision, but that's exactly like it was in OG DB so it's not a first and it's not a problem.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

It was only 23 Japanese people that wanted Yamcha, I repeat that again a measly 23 people that hardly equates to the whole region like your comment implies and why on Earth would Toei suddenly give him an arc based off the fact 23 people voted for him in a fun little "poll"? You are grossly taking this "poll" too seriously.

[precita]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

It was only 23 Japanese people that wanted Yamcha, I repeat that again a measly 23 people that hardly equates to the whole region like your comment implies and why on Earth would Toei suddenly give him an arc based off the fact 23 people voted for him in a fun little "poll"? You are grossly taking this "poll" too seriously.

It's not just that, its everything in general. Look at the 2004 poll from 14 years ago when the series was, "done" and nobody was expecting new material. Yamcha outranked Bulma, Tenshinhan, 17, Videl, Yajirobe, etc. as well. He's always been popular especially in Japan where his VA was famous and they started off with Dragonball instead of DBZ where Yamcha had a bigger role.

It's rather obvious Japan would also now have nostalgic views to him too.

[Jigurashi]

The fact that the Japanese wanted Yamcha in the tournament is amusing. I hope Toei gives him an arc on Earth or something due to this, they can't be unaware of all the interest people have in seeing Yamcha do something.

It was only 23 Japanese people that wanted Yamcha, I repeat that again a measly 23 people that hardly equates to the whole region like your comment implies and why on Earth would Toei suddenly give him an arc based off the fact 23 people voted for him in a fun little "poll"? You are grossly taking this "poll" too seriously.

It's not just that, its everything in general. Look at the 2004 poll from 14 years ago when the series was, "done" and nobody was expecting new material. Yamcha outranked Bulma, Tenshinhan, 17, Videl, Yajirobe, etc. as well. He's always been popular especially in Japan where his VA was famous and they started off with Dragonball instead of DBZ where Yamcha had a bigger role.

It's rather obvious Japan would also now have nostalgic views to him too.

Wouldn't it be more likely to get a Majin Boo or Freeza saga or a saga featuring the kids since they all outranked Yamcha on that poll long after the series was done?