"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheOne]

And the perfect excuse if someone asks him why didnt he use SSJG before would be Goku saying "Oh I was just pretending to be retarded", kinda fitting for his character in DBS .

This is the same series that had Roshi surpass Gotenks.

Roshi didn't surpass Gotenks.

I'm pretty sure perucho1990 is referring to when Goku or Vegeta (can't remember which) no sold SS3 Gotenks in base form and how later in the recruitment, Master Roshi goes toe-to-toe or at least doesn't get destroyed by Goku in base. Going by that we can say Master Roshi has surpassed Gotenks in his base form, at the very least. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but this is Dragon Ball Super after all...

Statements like this are why I... question some dragon ball fans

[Rhuagh]

Why didn't Goku use Kaioken to destroy Black? Toei didn't even try to give an explanation, bacause there isn't one. I have a feeling this situation will be similar, we shall see.

[vashter]

Why didn't Goku use Kaioken to destroy Black? Toei didn't even try to give an explanation, bacause there isn't one. I have a feeling this situation will be similar, we shall see.

1. Blue were draining stamina 2. black were fucking OP against goku easily 3. he use king kai fist non kaio ken with multiplier on zamasu 4. he was drained bad during that

[Will]

Blue is never said to be slower and it's literally SS, the form which is said to be the best overall

We know that Blue is stronger, we don't know how much, it could be close in the anime.
Maybe SSG could be a little faster with the skinny body, and it's why Goku use it against Dyspo who is very fast.

And maybe SSG use as much stamina as SSJ Blue in the anime.

Blue is stronger than god and SS has no stated speed reduction, instead on the contrary it's said to be the best form overall, even if it's a little stronger than God, that would still mean it comes down to power when bulk isn't a matter of concern, which in this case it isn't..
It basically comes down to stronger opponent being faster idea..

The second logic of them having equal stamina drain, then he has virtually no benefit form going god if he is using same amount of stamina to powerup to a weaker state..

I am not saying that Blue has a speed reduction

I am saying that maybe SSG is faster.

Blue is never said to be slower and it's literally SS, the form which is said to be the best overall

We know that Blue is stronger, we don't know how much, it could be close in the anime.
Maybe SSG could be a little faster with the skinny body, and it's why Goku use it against Dyspo who is very fast.

And maybe SSG use as much stamina as SSJ Blue in the anime.

The problem with the speed thing is why didn't Goku use it vs Hit in the Champa arc? Kaioken exists and gives Goku more speed and more power, there is no reason for him not to use it vs Dypso if it is indeed speed related. No matter how they explain it there won't be a good explanation.

Maybe because he couldn't before now or recently.

[vashter]

First of all..
1.Toshio said it birth of new form, he expect it
2. it SSG with base hair, non spike AND he likely going have a spike hair to "complete" his form
3. he use Kaio-ken was incomplete against hit AND I believe SSG base was incomplete also
4. if he use Kaio-ken with SSG that most likely going complete his form into a new world
5. JUST wait until 104-105-106 and see what happened
6.I don't think the gonna transform until 106, 105 has muten roshi time until his ass is gone

[Ki Breaker]

I am not saying that Blue has a speed reduction

I am saying that maybe SSG is faster.

How?
If there isn't any stated slowing down from God mode but only thing stated is SSB is being stonger than God, it's the basic rule of stonger being more speedy

[Shaqazooloo]

Roshi didn't surpass Gotenks.

I'm pretty sure perucho1990 is referring to when Goku or Vegeta (can't remember which) no sold SS3 Gotenks in base form and how later in the recruitment, Master Roshi goes toe-to-toe or at least doesn't get destroyed by Goku in base. Going by that we can say Master Roshi has surpassed Gotenks in his base form, at the very least. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but this is Dragon Ball Super after all...

Statements like this are why I... question some dragon ball fans

I honestly don't think Master Roshi can no sell Gotenks, it's just funny that I can say that and theirs actual evidence to back it up, it's really silly that it could actually be the case and with Dragon Ball Super, you never know, they just do whatever they want.

[Kishido]

https://twitter.com/herms98/status/895698645302915072

And why the fuck isn't U3 DQed?

Even more if the guy is also using a damn lightning staff as well

[Will]

I am not saying that Blue has a speed reduction

I am saying that maybe SSG is faster.

How?
If there isn't any stated slowing down from God mode but only thing stated is SSB is being stonger than God, it's the basic rule of stonger being more speedy

SSG has a skinnier body, I am just emetting a hypothesis that this form is faster and that it's the reason Goku use it against Dyspo who has the gimmick of being super fast.

I am just saying a hypothesis it could be wrong.

I use the word "maybe" several times, I am not trying to argue that it's a fact, it's just a opinion.

And the perfect excuse if someone asks him why didnt he use SSJG before would be Goku saying "Oh I was just pretending to be retarded", kinda fitting for his character in DBS .

This is the same series that had Roshi surpass Gotenks.

Roshi didn't surpass Gotenks.

I'm pretty sure perucho1990 is referring to when Goku or Vegeta (can't remember which) no sold SS3 Gotenks in base form and how later in the recruitment, Master Roshi goes toe-to-toe or at least doesn't get destroyed by Goku in base. Going by that we can say Master Roshi has surpassed Gotenks in his base form, at the very least. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but this is Dragon Ball Super after all...

We saw Tagoma beat Roshi, Tien with everyone.
And then Ssj Gotenks came and put Tagoma to the ground with one shot.
The show has already showed that Gotenks is superior to Roshi.

And base Goku also destroyed Roshi with a kamehameha.
ps: I like Roshi.

[Ki Breaker]

I am not saying that Blue has a speed reduction

I am saying that maybe SSG is faster.

How?
If there isn't any stated slowing down from God mode but only thing stated is SSB is being stonger than God, it's the basic rule of stonger being more speedy

SSG has a skinnier body, I am just emetting a hypothesis that this form is faster and that it's the reason Goku use it against Dyspo who has the gimmick of being super fast.

I am just saying a hypothesis it could be wrong.

I use the word "maybe" several times, I am not trying to argue that it's a fact, it's just a opinion.

I am aware, I was under the impression this is a discussion on if or not the hypothesis could be correct, yes?
Also, Skinner body dosen't automatically mean the form is faster, especially when the better more powerful form dosen't have any stated speed reductions from SSG..
We also do not know what dyspo has as a gimmick

[Will]

How?
If there isn't any stated slowing down from God mode but only thing stated is SSB is being stonger than God, it's the basic rule of stonger being more speedy

SSG has a skinnier body, I am just emetting a hypothesis that this form is faster and that it's the reason Goku use it against Dyspo who has the gimmick of being super fast.

I am just saying a hypothesis it could be wrong.

I use the word "maybe" several times, I am not trying to argue that it's a fact, it's just a opinion.

I am aware, I was under the impression this is a discussion on if or not the hypothesis could be correct, yes?
Also, Skinner body dosen't automatically mean the form is faster, especially when the better more powerful form dosen't have any stated speed reductions from SSG..
We also do not know what dyspo has as a gimmick

Yes maybe the skinnier body doesn't mean it's faster.
I am just saying that maybe it's and it's the reason that Toei will come up for it's use against Dyspo, I don't really have anything much to say about it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Once again you're ignoring that Toyotaro runs all his scripts by Toriyama. You're also ignoring Toriyama say Goku won't use SS2 and SS3 anymore, yet he's used both in DBS. He even used SS3 in the Krillin filler episodes.
The claim that he somehow disrespected Toriyama and went against his vision was always complete nonsense, especially now that SSG is returning. And what's funnier, Goku using SSG on an opponent that's giving Hit trouble nerfs Hit down to his manga level, something else certain parts of the fanbase crapped on

No I am not because Toriyama never explicitly said that, he said and I quote: "Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more." Key words being "I think" and "probably" he wasn't even sure himself, whereas for the SSG he flat out said Goku won't go SSG again:
"Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. "

When did I say he was "disrespecting", just simply Toriyama's vision was to have Goku absorb SSG which didn't happen in the Manga, why Toriyama let Toyo change it well....
"I’m the type of person who isn’t bothered one bit about other people changing his own work, so it’s better if other people work on it to make it more and more interesting..."
Originally quoted from 2013 No doubt it applies to Toyo and DBS aswell.

Also "filler" doesn't exist in DBS.

[Oracle]

The only tragedy here is that we are not seeing Goku SSJGod in his RoF Gi. ... and Vegeta as well.
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[Sonicjamareiz]

The only tragedy here is that we are not seeing Goku SSJGod in his RoF Gi. ... and Vegeta as well.
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Why does he have muscles it's freaking me the fuck out.

[Ki Breaker]

The only tragedy here is that we are not seeing Goku SSJGod in his RoF Gi. ... and Vegeta as well.
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Souce: http://chocolategasmask26.deviantart.com/[/spoiler]

Why does he have muscles its freaking me the fuck out.

Because visually, his rof gi goes best with some muscles, if it were to be changed into SSG's slim body, the results would be pretty weird

[Chuquita]

The only tragedy here is that we are not seeing Goku SSJGod in his RoF Gi. ... and Vegeta as well.
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Souce: http://chocolategasmask26.deviantart.com/[/spoiler]

It's disappointing the RoF outfits are gone (I blame nostalgia marketers) but there's always fanart.

[Low Tone G]

I'm happy SSG will make a return.. I actually liked it way better than Blue. I don't know but Blue doesn't really seem like a step beyond God, rahter, one step back... Considering feats, Blue is a let-down, even the simple SS performs better.

[Ki Breaker]

I'm happy SSG will make a return.. I actually liked it way better than Blue. I don't know but Blue doesn't really seem like a step beyond God, rahter, one step back... Considering feats, Blue is let down, even the simple SS performs better.

That's exactly why blue feels like a let down..
Everytime he powers up into blue he gets his ass kicked silly..

[Oracle]

I'm happy SSG will make a return.. I actually liked it way better than Blue. I don't know but Blue doesn't really seem like a step beyond God, rahter, one step back... Considering feats, Blue is a let-down, even the simple SS performs better.

Maybe the new transformation is something like your avatar. So Goku grows a tail again + SSjGod = New form.

[perucho1990]

Herms

U4 has a lot of fighters who use strange, ninja-like techniques, and Ganos is tricky and nimble. Where are the two remaining members?!

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Its kinda funny seeing Kahseral in Pride Troopers main group after jobbing to the saiyan girls.