"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Boo Machine » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:15 pm

emi_b7 wrote: Isn't that textbook jobbing? I mean, they built Kahseral as a somewhat important character (appears in the opening, has multiple scenes in the recruiting episodes, acted all bossy with the other PT) only for him to lose to Caulifla and Kale. If they would have just defeated the lesser Troopers, you could say they just beat some fodder but, by throwing a (slightly) more established character like Kahseral in there, it gives more credibility to the girls' power. In other words, Kahseral's job was to make Caulifla and a calmer Kale look good, isn't that de definition of jobbing?
I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything, just that if that's not jobbing (a word that gets thrown around way too much IMO), then maybe I have a bad definition of jobbing, which may very well be the case lol
Well yes, more or less, Jobbing is when A character goes down to make another look good, but I don't feel that was the case, there. If it was then Caulifla and kale would have taken them down easier and they would have gone on to continue being a threat to our heros, but they were tired and beaten and just left. And Kaherseral would have had to shown that he was one of the big boys in the first place, which he didn't really. A better example, I feel, would be Vegeta getting utterly destroyed by Hit (The big man to watch out for) to show how strong he is and how much of a threat he will be to Goku.

On a side note, Yes, "Jobbing" does get thrown around way too much, it's almost like it's replaced the word "lose" in the vocabularies of some folk.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:27 pm

perucho1990 wrote: Kinda the same thing with Genkidama Trunks being the strongest non-fused character in the series because he 2 shotted Merged Zamasu, good thing Goku forgot about him because Trunks couldve trashed Jiren.
So I guess you didn't pay attention to that fight at all. Zamasu was falling appart, lost his speed and Trunks beat him with energy that wasn't entirely his.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Kanassa » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:43 pm

emi_b7 wrote:Oh look, this turned into the powerl levels thread again :yawn:
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Ki Breaker wrote: Really? Which one of them beat him in one blow?
None, Kale and Caulifla beat him in a beam clash after getting their assess kicked by the pride troopers (He was fighting 17 at the time). I wouldn't really call it Jobbing
Isn't that textbook jobbing? I mean, they built Kahseral as a somewhat important character (appears in the opening, has multiple scenes in the recruiting episodes, acted all bossy with the other PT) only for him to lose to Caulifla and Kale. If they would have just defeated the lesser Troopers, you could say they just beat some fodder but, by throwing a (slightly) more established character like Kahseral in there, it gives more credibility to the girls' power. In other words, Kahseral's job was to make Caulifla and a calmer Kale look good, isn't that de definition of jobbing?
I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything, just that if that's not jobbing (a word that gets thrown around way too much IMO), then maybe I have a bad definition of jobbing, which may very well be the case lol
Jobbing is simply a pre-established powerful character getting taken down to show just how powerful a certain character is. I'd say there was too much of a struggle here for it to be jobbing. Like, Vegeta's lost to perfect Cell was what I'd consider jobbing.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by Kanassa » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:45 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
perucho1990 wrote: Kinda the same thing with Genkidama Trunks being the strongest non-fused character in the series because he 2 shotted Merged Zamasu, good thing Goku forgot about him because Trunks couldve trashed Jiren.
So I guess you didn't pay attention to that fight at all. Zamasu was falling appart, lost his speed and Trunks beat him with energy that wasn't entirely his.
And even then Zamasu, as he's shown a tendency to do before hand, was making sure to complete his ''I AM GOD!" monologue.
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Post by TheMikado » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:46 pm

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precita wrote:Are you guys seriously debating if Roshi is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks? Someone please tell me this is a joke or people are being sarcastic.
What is the problem? The power scale is so fucked up that we don't even know how strong the base saiyans are. Also, if SS2 Trunks was able to fight with SSB tier enemies, why can't Roshi be SS3 Gotenks tier as well?
Because Roshi hasn't beaten anyone that's SS3 Gotenks level of Power nor does he have any kind of feat that matches it. His feats include, Fighting Freeza soldiers, shutting down Tien, and kinda giving base Goku a fight, which even then I'm not sure about because nothing about that fight suggested Goku was being evenly matched. Goku was smiling and treating it like a game until he decides to finish it with a blast.

I'm aware of the big joke of "Super scaling is broken so anyone can beat anybody" But lets not be silly here. The scaling isn't air tight but, barring a few moments of ridiculousness , we have a good idea about who is stronger than who.
I'm just going to go ahead and break down this so we can also tie it into the announcements as well.

Toriyama's style when introducing the next level threat has been to use a comparison threat as a gauge. Raditz first encounter was with Piccolo, the "big boss" and final enemy of "Dragonball" In the introduction of the events in the Z part of the anime the first device Toriyama evokes is the comparison of Piccolo to Raditz. This ups the ante and threat level. Establishing that previous levels of power and skill arent anything in comparison. We saw this with Frieza too as Trunks establishes that Freeza's level of power is now nothing special to a SSJ. SSJ3 Gotenks was a plot device to establish and compare Goku and Vegeta's base power compared to the older Z warriors. Its why Copy Vegeta didnt even flinch from SSJ3 Gotenks Kick. Its deliberately used as a measuring stick and a gauge. The problem is they used that same "gauge" to measure Roshi with. They even let Goku "power up" to fight Roshi. In the same ways that we assume the Ginyu force is stronger than Raditz we would logically assume the same about Roshi if we didnt know anything about these characters prior. The narrative, as its written is completely screwed and 1000% relies on fans prior knowledge in order to make any sense and not draw asine conclusions.

Now with the return of SSG we have people questioning Goku's base strength as they should. This also leads them to question people like Hit and his upcoming fight. The loose usage of Gokus forms and the narrative have muddied the waters on who is a real threat and who isnt. As there is already a thread about this. Right now we have no idea if anyone besides Jiren is actually a threat to Goku and we dont even know that for sure. The lack of structure and consistency breeds a lack of tense and hurts the story by extension.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by MR.Mark » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:21 pm

Wait a sec:

Goku

Vegeta

Gohan

Cabba

Califlia

Kale

Six Saiyans, is it possible that Goku will go through the ritual again in a desperate situation?

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Post by shadowmaria » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:22 pm

MR.Mark wrote:Wait a sec:

Goku

Vegeta

Gohan

Cabba

Califlia

Kale

Six Saiyans, is it possible that Goku will go through the ritual again in a desperate situation?
Vegeta should 8)

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Post by omaro34 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:34 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
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precita wrote:Are you guys seriously debating if Roshi is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks? Someone please tell me this is a joke or people are being sarcastic.
Doesn't surprise me anymore. We've seen blasphemous, asinine asspull power ups before. Nothing fazes me. You're just as strong as the plot requires you to be in Super. Nothing more, nothing less. That's why I hardly post on the strength thread, it's all interpretation.
"blasphemous" really? That's a wild exaggeration. What is it exactly "blasphemous" against?
Hasn't that exactly been DB from the start? Not exactly exclusive to DBS. Goku got a massive asspull power up when Killin died. Gohan got when when a barely bonded with Android died. Gohan got another just by sitting there. Goku pulled out SS3 when the plot was convenient, not even to mention villains that conveniently just kept getting stronger and stronger and stronger.
I should have clarified my comment better, I meant there are blasphemous power ups in Dragonball in general, I'm not just singling out Super bro. And as it was already pointed out that you're just as strong as the plot requires you to be in not just Super but Z, Dragonball, and countless other shows.

And yes you're absolutely right, those all are ridiculous. There's nothing more glaringly obvious to support what I'm saying than Freeza in RoF. The writers were stuck in a bind. They knew good and damn well he wouldn't be a threat to the protagonists if he came back the way he was in Z. They had to make him stronger, hence he became as strong as the plot required him to be. Trains four months and already is a million times stronger than he ever was before.

And do you know the blasphemy this entails from an in universe view? He apparently never trained a day in his life. Yet he was terrified about the Super Saiyan legend becoming true, so much so that he destroyed their home planet. If he got so strong in four months, a little training would have made him feel less paranoid. Not too mention he was warned by his father about Beerus and Buu, yet he decided to sit back and relax and not train until he was killed by the very thing he feared the most.

I'm not buying that nonsense one bit. I love Dragonball, but the writing definitely lacked in this situation.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Kanassa » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:46 pm

MR.Mark wrote:Wait a sec:

Goku

Vegeta

Gohan

Cabba

Califlia

Kale

Six Saiyans, is it possible that Goku will go through the ritual again in a desperate situation?
Maybe they'll do it by accident :D
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:28 pm

Episode 104 preview image.
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Post by The gr » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:31 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
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Super saiyan god look so cool,hit look damaged,he really did struggle with dyspo
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Post by BlueBasilisk » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:34 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
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That looks really good. I love the colors here. His skin isn't as pink as it was in BoG and it looks like they gave it a new aura. Don't think he's had that one before.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:36 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
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That looks really good. I love the colors here. His skin isn't as pink as it was in BoG and it looks like they gave it a new aura. Don't think he's had that one before.
The God aura is a post effect and these preview images never have the final post effects.

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Post by Grimlock » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:37 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:it looks like they gave it a new aura. Don't think he's had that one before.
Considering it's a preview image, it may change in the actual episode. Or it's an unfinished work.

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Post by BlueBasilisk » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:39 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
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That looks really good. I love the colors here. His skin isn't as pink as it was in BoG and it looks like they gave it a new aura. Don't think he's had that one before.
The God aura is a post effect and these preview images never have the final post effects.
Good point. I didn't think of that. I really liked the fiery aura it had originally so I'm cool with that. :thumbup:

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The gr wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
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Super saiyan god look so cool,hit look damaged,he really did struggle with dyspo
Looks so good. Waiting for the tears.

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Post by The gr » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:41 pm

TheMikado wrote:
The gr wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Episode 104 preview image.
Image
Super saiyan god look so cool,hit look damaged,he really did struggle with dyspo
Looks so good. Waiting for the tears.
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Post by Lapislettuce » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:46 pm

I'm excited to see Hit in action but Goku going ssg makes no sense at all yet most people are excited and swallowing it with no question.

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Post by The gr » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:47 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:I'm excited to see Hit in action but Goku going ssg makes no sense at all yet most people are excited and swallowing it with no question.
I'm excited because it looks awesome ,we will get an answer about this,just wait for it
    I'm also excited to see hit fighting again
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    Post by Boo Machine » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:51 pm

    Can't deny it's coming back now.

    Something about that red and purple together just looks so good. Should be a fun episode. I've always wanted to see a team up with Goku and Hit.
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